Altering time/reality an Alien thing? **Warning** this is weird

I don't know how to highlite the quote or whatever you guys do here, sorry....

There is another weird part and maybe this is some kind of tie in, and I hope my buddy from OK never reads this part ;-) My wife and I did meet up with my cub scout buddy and his wife for dinner before we left OK. Hadn't seen him in, well, 25 or so years. I'm remembering this part because looking at the posts, everyone keeps saying they don't know what this has to do with aliens, and really I don't either, but... and this is a long shot to me...

As we were sitting in a restaurant getting to know all about one another's lives, his wife brings up reptile people. I don't recall her saying reptillians or whatever they are called here, but said that she has "seen" these things numerous times. But here's the kicker, she threw out the word "drugs" as in recreational party drugs, and my wife and I were both like, oh boy, hallucinations, crazy etc. I mean she was totally nice, but when she started talking about these things oh boy, she was really passionate and fired up about the whole thing. Honestly, my wife and I never really talked much about it afterwards. This is the first time I've re-visited that time. I've never really told anyone I had this crazy friend that has this wife that believes in lizard people ;-) But since poking around here, apparently some people really believe in them, so like I said, I don't discount anything anymore.

As far as the house coming and going, I'm so positive of that fact that it's scary. I spent three years there, it was right next to my grandma's house on the corner of the main road, it was across from the still vacant lot where we would play and catch fireflys, and right across the street from my friends house.

There have really been no changes to my life that I can put a finger on. My friend and I kept close through email for awhile, oh, here's something a little weird too. His wife has the same name as my wife, and our kids were the same ages apart, and all had different names, not like dave or john so to speak.

ps... had to delete part of your writing below, ran out of space...

The other thing is NO, I had NO idea that I was arriving at or even NEAR the date/time of the ceremony. Who in the hell has an outdoor bottle dig up ceremony in October? We were POSITIVE that it had taken place either the year prior, or sometime that summer.

Originally posted by HighDefinitionFilms


I love this story- I believe it...

The CRAZY part of the story is the house part.

If you are sure you did not check the wrong street first,
and if you remember seeing adjacent LANDMARKS that were
the same for both visits- (another house by the empty field, for example,
that was there when you saw the house the second time...)
then you are on to something beyond X Files...

The Boy Scout thing can be chalked up to a great example
of Jungian syncronicity... or a type of destiny...

But the house thing... yeah, time travel to the future-
where your car became a literal time capsule?

Two divergent timelines you straddled, with two realities for
your old house?

No matter what the explanation, I do not see the motive-
the why? Why would the universe do this? Why expend the energy on such
a trick? What is the lesson? The purpose?

Was the Boy Scout thing related in theme or point to the house mystery?

Also, THINK HARD... was there any other MINOR clue or happenning
before or after the house sighting that might hold an answer...
something slightly different between the two timelines?

I will tell you this- it is perhaps the most fascinating think I have read here,
and I have read a thousand stories here.

Oh, and like others have asked:

What does it have to do with... aliens?

With wide-eyed wonder and respect:

T. Patrick Murray
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I pretty much agree with everything you said. It has just kinda sat there in the back of my mind, and I never really dealt with this miracle happening so to speak. I'm still positive on the house though ;-) I still know the address in my head right this second ;-) We chalked it up to this... If the house WAS there the first time, I would not have been depressed and we would have continued to tour all the old spots. Because it was not there, it prompted me to make the call to the scout master, which in turn led me to the city at the right time. Had we farted around at all, we would have missed the ceremony. I'm telling you this was down to the minute manipulation on... my part? or someones! That was my conclusion on it anyway.

Originally posted by Nemithesis
I thought it was an excellent story and I can totally see every part of that happening!

Your wife is great for taking an interest in your past and actively participating with you in your home town.

The answer to why you ended up out there at that particular time is simple... Fate.
I don't care what religion you follow or if you even believe in a god, fate, to me, is a universal constant.
I don't understand fate and I've given up trying to. It is just something that I expect and respect, and something that never fails to baffle me when it come to retrospect.

For you not seeing your old house the first time, that is a little harder to explain, but it has happened to me as well...

Sometimes old memories can come flooding back in certain circumstances, especially really young memories. If you have forgotten or don't often think of many of your childhood memories due to wife/children/jobs/location, basically "life", then they end up repressed. Not lost, just repressed. Then when you trigger all those repressed memories (like visiting your old home) they come FLOODING back like a tidal wave and your mind can barely keep up with everything. This flood can make you not be in the here and now, i.e. you can be talking to someone you know and 5 minutes later not remember a thing you said. Same thing with driving around in your old neighborhood, you might have been so flooded with memories and seeing things you remembered as a kid but haven't thought about for years that you may have drove down the wrong street or simply confused one street for another.

Many times the fate part isn't necessarily for you, often you can find yourself in the right place at the right time because someone else needed your presence. Maybe the old scout master was wondering what happened to you. Maybe a friend you were close to, and knew about the time capsule, had some strong feelings about that date but was not able to make it for whatever reason. Maybe even a friend who died.
There are tons of possibilities as to why fate happens or who it may have been for, but in this instance you were happy to make it to the 25 year reunion and I'm sure many people were glad to see you once again so you walk away with some fond memories and an interesting story to tell.

I also believe that ultimately things do work out for the best as long as you care about others as much as they have cared about you.

An whats the chances of a huge explosion causing a planet to be born with all the ingrediants to produce what we have today.

Point being nothing weird here unless you have people here that are believers in the first place.

Example ATS is successful not because the way it`s run.Its succesful because it markets to the right group of people that at this point in history find it interesting and believable.

Your story which l must say seems to be aimed more at a possible publising idea to you rather than an actual event in your life.If you on here to measure peoples reactions to your fictional story beware the T&C.Also it`s not fair to take the waste product out of people who are either to young and inexperianced or to gulible weird etc etc etc.

P.S would make a good short story as part of a book of such.Well written and keeps you interested.But that won`t work on here unless you inform people before.We seek facts not story times.

Originally posted by zeed85
group of people that at this point in history find it interesting and believable.

Your story which l must say seems to be aimed more at a possible publising idea to you rather than an actual event in your life.If you on here to measure peoples reactions to your fictional story beware the T&C.Also it`s not fair to take the waste product out of people who are either to young and inexperianced or to gulible weird etc etc etc.

P.S would make a good short story as part of a book of such.Well written and keeps you interested.But that won`t work on here unless you inform people before.We seek facts not story times.

I said early on I'm not fishing for favorable reactions, a book deal, a movie or web site traffic or sales. It's totally fair for you to say all that, no offense has been taken. It's a totally unbelievable story. If it didn't happen first hand, I'd be posting exactly what you wrote.

I'd like to say one thing. I'm a straight shooter, have no other motivation in telling this story other than seeing if someone sheds some light or ideas on it. You won't be seeing me post a "just kidding, wanted to see if people liked the story" crap. I'll back up everything I said with articles, dates, and even people you can call in Oklahoma that were there. It won't prove I magically appeared there 25 years later, but it will at least show I'm not making up some kind of fairy tale. Also, I'm not asking for people to believe it. Remain skeptical, think I'm nuts, write me off as some other piece of crap trying to make a buck off people's belief in the unknown. I knew going in that I was risking getting flamed for such a tall tale. But it's not a made up story, no matter how "hollywood" it sounds. It's something that is absolutely freaky and in my case unexplained as to how something, be it my "creating my own universe" which I do believe in, to some other force or power pulling the puppets strings.

Ehhh. Do you want a Real explanation as to what happened?

Coincidence. There, explained, go on with your life, and if you're not gonna discuss aliens or UFOs, please leave this board, because you seem like one of those guys who draw faulty conclusions all the time.

To be more specific, it's not Impossible for this to have happened, right? I mean, you Could have arrived there half an hour before, just out of pure luck, RIGHT? So why is it so hard to believe that it didn't happen? I didn't get the impression that your old class were all that astounded over what happened, and frankly, neither am I. If it's in the frame of happening, than it can happen, and apparently it just did. Don't involve a bunch of paranormal mumbo jumbo that far, Far from being explained or nonetheless proven.

Sorry, it happened, but this doesn't belong here I'm afraid.

Originally posted by knows_but_doesnt

I said early on I'm not fishing for favorable reactions, a book deal, a movie or web site traffic or sales.

We only got your word for that.It`s just odd that you included so much unrelevent info and wrote in that manner.

It's a totally unbelievable story.

Shouldn`t you say experience rather than story.Or l know this slip up is just a phrase.

I'd like to say one thing. I'm a straight shooter,

Except when you write then you take the long way round.

You won't be seeing me post a "just kidding, wanted to see if people liked the story" crap.

We know you`d get banned

I'll back up everything I said with articles, dates, and even people you can call in Oklahoma that were there.

Go on then you.ASAP please.

But it's not a made up story, no matter how "hollywood" it sounds. It's something that is absolutely freaky and in my case unexplained as to how something, be it my "creating my own universe" which I do believe in, to some other force or power pulling the puppets strings.

It`s not what happened that made it Hollywood it`s the way you built it using classic writer skills to tell the story.And the fact you say you "believe in creating your own universe " is crap as if you believed this why you here looking to find out what happened to you.Or are you just trying to blend into the people here.

Placing images in human minds is a very simple process,think how easy it is to see T.V pictures....

That's a very interesting story. It reminds me of an example of something you might see in the Matrix films. Like a glitch in the matrix, but instead of being a time loop, it's a rewriting of time. As if one part of your brain tried to access your memories of those things, couldn't find the relevant info and wrote in a default (for your old house) of some other scene you've witnessed before.

Do you recall ever seeing an empty lot that looked like the one you saw where your old house should've been, before you saw it?

How old were you when this event transpired?

Were you with the friends with the wife who talked about reptilians and drugs, before you witnessed the empty lot where your old house should've been or after?

Originally posted by undo
That's a very interesting story. It reminds me of an example of something you might see in the Matrix films. Like a glitch in the matrix, but instead of being a time loop, it's a rewriting of time. As if one part of your brain tried to access your memories of those things, couldn't find the relevant info and wrote in a default (for your old house) of some other scene you've witnessed before.

Do you recall ever seeing an empty lot that looked like the one you saw where your old house should've been, before you saw it?

How old were you when this event transpired?

Were you with the friends with the wife who talked about reptilians and drugs, before you witnessed the empty lot where your old house should've been or after?

I got the impression that things were being built around us as the day progressed, especially when the scout master literally just reached down to the same exact paper we had just went over with a fine tooth comb looking for my name, then said, "Here you are right here". As far as age, I was in my mid 30's. As for my friend, I had called him the day "of" the ceremony and left a message. I had called 411 and called the only (his last name) in the book and said I was in town and if this is so and so give me a call. He did not know about the ceremony and missed it, but had seen my name in the paper the next morning and then called my cell phone. That's when I told him I was bummed the house was gone, and he told me he was just there and that his brother owned it now. Later that day we went sight seeing again, and sure enough, there it was. We got together and had dinner that night. I had told them the whole story, that's what got us on the subject of weird things, that's when she told us about the lizard people. I remember she specifically said something about either the tongue or eyes and being the tell tale sign, I can't totally remember it. I really just kinda went along and nodded a lot. For the record, I've never seen anything other than regular humans ;-)

As far as a few of the posts that are knocking my story, writing, or whatever, don't read anymore. Apparently some people here find it interesting and sense truth to the story. If the moderator would like to move this somewhere please feel free I won't be offended. I placed it in the Alien section because this area is of interest to me, there was talk of the lizard reptillian people, time was altered or changed in my opinion, and I've not only seen a UFO, but if you check my other posts I have had the classic encounter where I was engulfed in what I call "Liquid Light" and have had dreams being on a craft and witnessing things that I have NOT posted on here because it is too graphic.

We're all on this site for one reason or the other. Most of the stuff on this site is so far out it's laughable. Doesn't mean it's not true. I will respect you, please do the same.

Okay, let me ask again:

Do you recall ever seeing an empty lot that looked like the one you saw where your old house should've been, before you saw it? I mean, do you remember seeing a lot with a semi on it or whatever, before the day you saw it where your house should've been?

How old were you when this event transpired?

This guy has a true story here and there is nothing in it that would indicate otherwise.

I have had the house thing happen to me and to this day I still can't find the house I'm looking for. I went back to my hometown and my street. A close friend lives half way to the end (it dead ends at the top of a valley) and I was driving up to his house. On my way I was looking for various things and in particular and old friends house that I knew 20 years before. His house was very unique. It sat about 100 yds back from the main road and had a barn 50 yds off the right back corner with about 4 acres of field behind. I drove by and nothing, gone! After driving by slowly the next two times I went to visit my other friend and seeing that in fact it was all gone I finally asked my buddy about it. He said what? Doug's house is still there. He assured me that nothing had changed and that both the house and barn and field were still in tact. He wasn't joking because when I asked him about it I didn't really make a big thing and kind of mentioned it in passing. My only words to him were: Hey, what happened to Doug's house. Also the fact that he’s just not a jokester.

Strange days!

So where is the back up with articles etc etc etc etc.

I`m still waiting Mr King wannabe.

The fact that you are here telling this story was the likely purpose behind your experience. Don't let it bother you that others deny your sincerity. All you can really do is get the message out and let them do with it what they will. I appreciate you posting such a personal account, and I would just ignore the rude comments. Being negative and arguing with those who are negative wastes too much energy.

Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself
I would just ignore the rude comments. Being negative and arguing with those who are negative wastes too much energy.

"A decent man will behave decently even if he thinks he has been treated unjustly or wrongly,but many people will show a side of there nature which otherwise they would never show.And at times it is necessary means for exposing a man`s nature.So long as your good to him he`s good to you, but what will he do if you scratch him a little.

I've heard of these weird time slip sort of ocurrences, apparently somewhere in england in the 70's I think, they were diverted off a motorway and went an alternative route round. They ended up going to a bar/pub sort of place,and when they got there they paid for some drinks and the barman commented that the money system shoudn't be changed, but to the people who had driven there, it was a few years after the change to decimal currency. Apparently they tried to find the place again at a later date but couldn't.

Anyway we don't understand how the universe works completely, so why is it not possible?

Originally posted by undo
Okay, let me ask again:

Do you recall ever seeing an empty lot that looked like the one you saw where your old house should've been, before you saw it? I mean, do you remember seeing a lot with a semi on it or whatever, before the day you saw it where your house should've been?

How old were you when this event transpired?

sorry...

No, I'd have to say the lot didn't really look like anything I've seen before, nor out of the ordinary. The area, well, it's small town Oklahoma, you would be hard pressed to get lost there. I was 7,8, and 9 there, right down the street from Webster Elementary school, and all you do when you're that age there is ride your bike and explore.

The address where my Grandma lived (we lived right next door) is 200 North "N" El Reno. If you look at a map it's not a weird street, hidden, goofy or anything. When I was there, I was positive I was there, not, uh, is this the area? There is an empty lot that was still there after all these years directly across from the house. It's where we did everything from fire flys to catch. What was weird is that lot was still there, but Grandma's house was a lot as well, of course until the next day.

The next day we took lots of pics with me, and the family in front of both houses ;-) Yah, maybe goofy, but I guess you would have had to have been there and a part of the deal.

Originally posted by jbondo
This guy has a true story here and there is nothing in it that would indicate otherwise.

I have had the house thing happen to me and to this day I still can't find the house I'm looking for. I went back to my hometown and my street. A close friend lives half way to the end (it dead ends at the top of a valley) and I was driving up to his house. On my way I was looking for various things and in particular and old friends house that I knew 20 years before. His house was very unique. It sat about 100 yds back from the main road and had a barn 50 yds off the right back corner with about 4 acres of field behind. I drove by and nothing, gone! After driving by slowly the next two times I went to visit my other friend and seeing that in fact it was all gone I finally asked my buddy about it. He said what? Doug's house is still there. He assured me that nothing had changed and that both the house and barn and field were still in tact. He wasn't joking because when I asked him about it I didn't really make a big thing and kind of mentioned it in passing. My only words to him were: Hey, what happened to Doug's house. Also the fact that he’s just not a jokester.

Strange days!

Ha! So I'm not alone ;-) I remember one of my buddies had told me about a twilight zone episode that these little gremlins or whatever were in charge of building the reality all around us, and on accasion they slip up and we notice. I've always wanted to see that episode!

Thanks for posting - interesting scenario...

IMO your timing issue is really no more than coincidence. A few probability calculations show that the fact that the Scout folks held their ceremony on a Saturday in October, which happen to be a weekend that you were also visiting is not all that unusual. Considering that Saturday/weekend is the most likely time to conduct such a ceremony and that you were traveling on the same weekend puts the odds at about 50:1. Not great odds, but not astronomical either. You were there the same day by coincidence. You were lucky (or maybe not so lucky, eh?).

As for the House vanishing and re-appearing, that's another matter. Before drawing any conclusions, I would suggest you see if any other anomalous information about the property or the neighborhood may be found. Do the due diligence. Eliminate potential/logical explanations. Have you interviewed the neighbors, sought any relatives/friends of the family? Anything weird going on? How about City Hall? Have you reviewed property ownership records, tax records, etc? Everything in order? Any gaps, missing entries, altered documents? Check with the police? Anything unusual in the way of crimes/deaths, etc? Planning office? Engineering department?

The point of this investigative exercise is to find the truth. Its a discovery process. I don't doubt you whatsoever - your recount was illuminating - entertaining even (as others alluded to). Nevertheless - if everything you've said is true, then you must satisfy yourself that you've eliminated any possible reasonable explanation. You can not reach the conclusion you seem to be reaching for until then. Further, the discovery process may reveal hints related to the phenomenon or guide you to another potential area of scrutiny.

For example, any other houses missing? Any rumors of hauntings, etc? How’s the politics in town? Is the Mayor a cultist? Ex-con? Have you checked the Newspaper archives? Any other reports of sightings/abductions, etc? Who was involved? When did they occur? Any correlation of dates/people? (Octobers/scouts, etc).
Do not dismiss these potential leads lightly. They may strike you initially as unrelated. Any factoid, even a seeming minor one, may ultimately be a piece in your puzzle. Have you done any other research related to this topic? Any other missing house stories. Any correlation of proximity, participants (e.g., scouts?), age of house/neighborhood/history of settlement etc.? Researched the Internet on this topic? Any domestic or international accounts? Any similarities to your situation? Plot them/table them.

You have lots of work ahead of you, sir - assuming your account is completely on the level, and assuming you really want some answers. You will need to go through this exhaustive exercise to put your mind at ease and discover the truth – that is if you really want to know the truth… Do you?

If, after you have done these things (and probably much more I haven’t even touched on here), and you remain steadfast in your absolute conviction that you made no mistakes (temporal/geographic/psychological, etc), have turned over every stone that could lead to a logical explanation and found none, and are certain that your former home vanished and then reappeared the next day in front of your own eyes – Then and Only Then would I say it’s time to consider that something strange indeed may have happened.

Good luck to you, sir – and best wishes to your family.

p.s. your wife deserves, at a minimum, a nice night out for ‘going along’ and for the future support I’m sure she’ll give you and your quest…