New American Currency?

Originally posted by Vitchilo
...Are you stupid or just ignorant?...
...And your an ignorant to do so, or your crazy...
...If so, you're stupid...

Vitchilo, that's three times in one post you have insulted
someone, and as you should know, that violates the T&C of ATS.

Do not do it again.

iori_komei, that's why I said:

I'm not assuming anything, just asking a question.

and to be call an ignorant isn't an insult, it's a constatation... if I insulted anyone sorry.

[edit on 12-12-2006 by Vitchilo]

Why a NAU is bad? First, immigrants, second, the mexican economy, third, he police state, four, the new constitution written by the corporations with no illeniables rights, that mean no freedom no free speech no right to bears arms, ect...

Do you really want a north american police state dictatorship? If so, you're stupid or a government agent. And I'm a liberal constitutionalist, and I'll oppose anything that tries to get rid of the constitution.

You are quite a disturbed and paranoid individual I see. Where is your proof to ANY such claims you have made about the evils of this union? How can citizens of the same entity be immigrants? Does this mean you are already opposed to any immigration in the respective countries today?

Where is your proof to ANY such claims you have made about the evils of this union?

Ok, first the immigrants. The majority of illegal immigrants in the US are criminals. I don't have a problem with legals one, because they are legals and they have some standarts so they can go in, illegals are illegals, and the majority of them are criminals, by statistics.

Second, the economy. If you know a little in economics, you'll know that merging the US/Canada economy wouldn't be big deal, but merging it with the Mexican corrupt and bullcrap economy would be a bad thing for the two others economy, for proof, learn basics in economy.

Third, the police state. The police state is very big in the US and they want to spread it and even further it with this NAU it's even written in their own documents, they want to increase the ``security`` (police state) to all over north america, north american ID card, CCTV, controlled major roads, ect... All north america will end like the US, a police state where the police is militarize.

Four, the new constitution written by the corporations. When you know who is behing the NAU, the corporations and the globalists, you don't want it because you know what their goal is, enslave you as they have done since 9/11, but even more and on a north america scale. They want to get rid of our constitution, to write another and I bet it will be very different to what we have now, no inalienable rights, the rights will now be privileges if you bow in front of the bullcrap dictatorship.

How can citizens of the same entity be immigrants?

As i wrote earlier, I have a problem with illegals immigrants, they are illegals and there is a good part of them that are criminals. And when the NAU is formed, you'll say, let's merge with central america, then south america, then the rest of the world, then a global dictatorship! THE NWO!

Does this mean you are already opposed to any immigration in the respective countries today?

No I like immigrants, but when they are legals. I have friends who are immigrants but legals ones and they agree that the illegals are just a plague because the majority of them are criminals.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Ok, first the immigrants. The majority of illegal immigrants in the US are criminals. I don't have a problem with legals one, because they are legals and they have some standarts so they can go in, illegals are illegals, and the majority of them are criminals, by statistics.

I'm sorry, but that's one of the most bullcrap things you've said
thus far, the majority of illegal immigrants are'nt criminals, apart
from coming here illegally.

I know both legal and illegal immigrants, and the only difference
between them is how they came here.

That said, I'm not saying I approve of illegal immigration, but
that's simply because they don't pay taxes, don't have as much
of a purpose to learn english and are more easily taken advan-
tage of.

Second, the economy. If you know a little in economics, you'll know that merging the US/Canada economy wouldn't be big deal, but merging it with the Mexican corrupt and bullcrap economy would be a bad thing for the two others economy, for proof, learn basics in economy.

That's why the economies would'nt just be merged all at once,
it would be done in phases, so that Mexicos economy could be
brought up to standards that would'nt totally sirupt the Canadian
and American economies.

Third, the police state. The police state is very big in the US and they want to spread it and even further it with this NAU it's even written in their own documents, they want to increase the ``security`` (police state) to all over north america, north american ID card, CCTV, controlled major roads, ect... All north america will end like the US, a police state where the police is militarize.

Just because we'll have I.D. cards does'nt mean it's a police
state, I mean you by law have had to have an I.D. card to drive
for a very long time.
And cmaera's on major roadways is to keep people from spee-
ding, help with statisitcs so that it's easier to figure out when
roads need repair.

Four, the new constitution written by the corporations. When you know who is behind the NAU, the corporations and the globalists, you don't want it because you know what their goal is, enslave you as they have done since 9/11, but even more and on a north america scale. They want to get rid of our constitution, to write another and I bet it will be very different to what we have now, no inalienable rights, the rights will now be privileges if you bow in front of the bullcrap dictatorship.

First off, when a Constitution would be writen, alot of people
would be part of the process, and it would have to be approved
by the people, just like in the E.U., which coincidentally rejected
the proposed constitution that was written for it.

And you really need to look up the term globalist, as it's not
strictly a bad thing, I'm a globalist, that is I want to see a united
world with one government, one economy and one people, but I
also want to see that government be transparent, democratic and
give more freedoms than most wetern countries do today, which
by the time that a single world government could actually be set-
up, would be freedoms that most people already have in their
respective countries.

As i wrote earlier, I have a problem with illegals immigrants, they are illegals and there is a good part of them that are criminals. And when the NAU is formed, you'll say, let's merge with central america, then south america, then the rest of the world, then a global dictatorship! THE NWO!

No it won't, Central America will become part of the South
American Community of Nations, which you would like, as they
consider everyone else to be evil globalists.

Not that I'm saying that South America is a bad place, I like
South America.

True there will be a one world government, that is what happens
when the world becomes as connected as it is today, countries
lose there meaning when you can easily talk to someone in a
country half-way around the world, and know what is hapening
anywhere,

But it won't be a dictatorship, there are far to many people that
are/would be active enough to make sure that kind of thing
would'nt happen.

I'm sorry, but that's one of the most bullcrap things you've said
thus far, the majority of illegal immigrants are'nt criminals, apart
from coming here illegally.

Statistics says so. I'm not making any generalisation.

That's why the economies would'nt just be merged all at once,
it would be done in phases, so that Mexicos economy could be
brought up to standards that would'nt totally sirupt the Canadian
and American economies.

Well it will take years then. But they don't want it to take years so when the US dollar will plunge, next year or in 2 years, they will merge it. And anyway, the corruption in mexico is far too high, at least 50% of the economy is illegal.

Just because we'll have I.D. cards does'nt mean it's a police
state, I mean you by law have had to have an I.D. card to drive
for a very long time.
And cmaera's on major roadways is to keep people from spee-
ding, help with statisitcs so that it's easier to figure out when
roads need repair.

I wasn't talking about cameras on roads, nor ID card. I was talking about everything that is happening in the US, militarize police, no more posse comitatus, no more habeas corpus, ect... when they will write a new constitution, you'll have a constitutional police state.

First off, when a Constitution would be writen, alot of people
would be part of the process, and it would have to be approved
by the people, just like in the E.U., which coincidentally rejected
the proposed constitution that was written for it.

They learned from their mistakes. The people who created the EU is the same people who is creating the NAU. Do they asked you when they passed the patriot act or the military comission act? No. They won't with the constitution or they'll fraud it.

And you really need to look up the term globalist, as it's not
strictly a bad thing, I'm a globalist, that is I want to see a united
world with one government, one economy and one people, but I
also want to see that government be transparent, democratic and
give more freedoms than most wetern countries do today, which
by the time that a single world government could actually be set-
up, would be freedoms that most people already have in their
respective countries.

I would want it also but as you described it, but it won't happen, just because the men who are creating this are greedy criminals, fascists and supremacists. That's why I don't want it. The kind of globalism they want to bring is fascist, autoritharian, no freedoms and civil wars all over the earth for money or to keep the people distracted.

But it won't be a dictatorship, there are far to many people that
are/would be active enough to make sure that kind of thing
would'nt happen.

Then let's go, but I don't believe it will happen because the scum who are making this up are the ones in office and behind the scenes right now. We need to get them first if you want to achieve your utopia. And IMO it wouldn't work, because humans are humans. Some groups would want to get the power, creating wars anyway and if you want to conform everybody, even if you achieve it, you delete what is wonderful with the human, his culturals differences.

And economical globalism is impossible, not everyone can't have the american way of life it's just plain impossible. That's why the architects of the NAU/EU want 90% of the global population dead.

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Originally posted by Vitchilo
The majority of illegal immigrants in the US are criminals.

In fact, 100% of illegal immigrants are criminals because they are illegal immigrants!

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Statistics says so. I'm not making any generalisation.

Show us a link to these statistics of yours.
Remember; "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
- attributed to Benjamin Disraeli and popularized in the U.S. by Mark Twain
Link

If you can't back up what you say, don't bother posting. Things don't become true simply because you say they are.

I have strong doubts about the NAU, but your arguments against it are making me reconsider.

I remember a few years back when the cry went out that the US government already had printed new dollars and that at anytime they would implement it, that was the late 80's


If you are really that worried about the economy, then go read this site and take a look around. It will give you another side to the doom and gloom.

Skeptical Optimist

IF Mexico US and Canada are one thing, how can immigrants from either one be illegal? This North American Union needs to be like the way the US is now, all three becoming states of the union, not seperate countries trying to keep their own power still. Mexican corruption can be dealt swiftly with a very powerful public relations and propoganda campaign. All we goota do is broadcast commercials of how the middle class here in America and Canada live with several SUV's, computers and TVS with 300+ channels in every room, disposable cameras, cell phones and clean water at any time. The commercial ends with a pleasant "would you like to live like this? Help root out corruption in your land and stop illegal businesses that destroy families and goodwill government programs. Only then can you live in peace blah blah blah" and have it in spanish or whatever. Then we setup a reward program for the snitches who turn out the corruptors. We lockdown the southern border like the 38th parallel. Within 5-10 years BAM. Mexico will have transformed as fast as Bangalore, India and the east coast of China after the outsourcing kicked into full motion.

Goverment regulations will require all of their dilapadated buildings to be brought up to code, and fines will be assessed accordingly. Thats direct revenue for the new union. Those that cannot afford it will have to sell off to private investors (BAM MORE TAX MONEY IN THE MAKING). That is only the tip of the iceberg.

Who are the people setting up this union anyways? I need to give them a call and join the team. I can practically hand them Mexico on a silver platter, and then move on to the rest of Central America like you mentioned. I could probably even secure Panama in thirty years once they see the progreess we have made in the land behind them.

Unfortunately I do not see South America giving it up without a fight, a fight that they will have to unfortunately lose. No seriously, I would like to jump on this team now and expediate the process of Uniting North America and you know, the rest of the world or whatever.

Illegal Aliens Linked to Rise in Crime Statistics

Well...

Well, I only found conservatives websites quoting a INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigration release on November 13th 2006.

I have strong doubts about the NAU, but your arguments against it are making me reconsider.

Now you're being for it? I'm really that bad?

IF Mexico US and Canada are one thing, how can immigrants from either one be illegal? This North American Union needs to be like the way the US is now, all three becoming states of the union, not seperate countries trying to keep their own power still. Mexican corruption can be dealt swiftly with a very powerful public relations and propoganda campaign. All we goota do is broadcast commercials of how the middle class here in America and Canada live with several SUV's, computers and TVS with 300+ channels in every room, disposable cameras, cell phones and clean water at any time. The commercial ends with a pleasant "would you like to live like this? Help root out corruption in your land and stop illegal businesses that destroy families and goodwill government programs. Only then can you live in peace blah blah blah" and have it in spanish or whatever. Then we setup a reward program for the snitches who turn out the corruptors. We lockdown the southern border like the 38th parallel. Within 5-10 years BAM. Mexico will have transformed as fast as Bangalore, India and the east coast of China after the outsourcing kicked into full motion.

Good plan. But they will never do that first, second, what happen when they don't get their SUV and their PS3?

Who are the people setting up this union anyways? I need to give them a call and join the team. I can practically hand them Mexico on a silver platter, and then move on to the rest of Central America like you mentioned. I could probably even secure Panama in thirty years once they see the progreess we have made in the land behind them.

The CFR, the Bilderberg group, all those fascists. And they probably will spit in your face, because you're not rich nor powerful. And rich, I talk in trillions.

Unfortunately I do not see South America giving it up without a fight, a fight that they will have to unfortunately lose. No seriously, I would like to jump on this team now and expediate the process of Uniting North America and you know, the rest of the world or whatever.

And of course giving us more freedoms, destroy the patriot act and all this crap? Stop big brother? If so, i'm all with you. If you're against liberty and individual liberties, then, you're an enemy.

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Hey I am all for civil liberties, thats what makes our country the damned hotspot of immigrants everywhere. But the thing is, why would they not get their SUV's and their PS3's? With the corruption gone the opportunity and safety net for legitimate business will skyrocket. Wages will increase, they wil be paying their taxes.

Or do you seriously honestly believe the only thing the entire population of Mexico is good for is construction and agriculture? There are many bright brains to pick in that country, and any in the world for that matter, they just lack the institutions and opportunities to further their education. One goal of our Union, and any country is to attract the largest amount of brains ya know?

And if even 15% of this population will now have the opportunities to fullfill their educational desires, we will have added 20 million trained workers, engineers, doctors, scientists, teachers to our continental unity.

Oh here is a heads up vitch, I know you will like this. Datasafe wallets are shilded against RFID scanners and protect your information from identity thieves and/or illegal tracking by LEO's or other government agents.

As far as your sources with the immigration crime thingy, the source says nothing about illegal immigrants being mostly criminals. It does say crime has gone up with the increased population. That is true of any population. When you add 20 million people, some of them will be criminals.

Then DYepes, I would support you, but the ``globalists`` who are behind this project doesn't want all we are talking about, they want to merge all the world because they want to control it all.

But the thing is, why would they not get their SUV's and their PS3's?

Because there's more than enough poor people in the US and Canada now so if we can't deal with this problem, how can we solve the mexico's problem, a problem 100X worse?

As far as your sources with the immigration crime thingy, the source says nothing about illegal immigrants being mostly criminals. It does say crime has gone up with the increased population. That is true of any population. When you add 20 million people, some of them will be criminals.

Well you didn't red it well.

55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien.

So if there's a high ratio of offenses per illegal alien... they are more likely to make a crime no? Because I don't think that the US average citizen have a ratio of 13 offenses over a period of 4 years?

Thanks for the link, but I was already aware of how cut the signal of the RFID chips... put it in the microwave.. it will burn the chip!

Well I dont think I want to make my future credit cards useless by burnging them in the microwave. That number your source cited is from the prison population, not the general illegal population. Aside from being here illegally, there are many millions who have never committed a crime in their life. Take a sample population from any the American prison population and you can find offeneses and arrests at an even higher rate than this.


I think I will call this bilderbergs and other groups, and continue to pester them about how we can work together to unite this continent, and perhaps even the Hemispshere in like 80 years. And if money can be made in the process, I don't see why that would be a bad thing. If they choose to spit in my face, I will wipe it off and offer my hand again. Over and over.

I think I will call this bilderbergs and other groups, and continue to pester them about how we can work together to unite this continent, and perhaps even the Hemispshere in like 80 years. And if money can be made in the process, I don't see why that would be a bad thing. If they choose to spit in my face, I will wipe it off and offer my hand again. Over and over.

So you're a fascist and a traitor? A traitor is trying to get rid of the constitution, you're one and you're proud of it. Either you don't realise what you want to do with those traitors(bilderberg, CFR) or you agree with them to enslave the population. You seems to have forget that treason is a bad thing...

HR487: Expressing the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North American Union with Mexico and Canada

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They have made no intentions of creating a fascist state or enslaving us all. All are just baseless accusations and conjecture. Your paranoia is damaging your thinking process, you should keep it under control.

MY only desires are to see this continent, and the world United as one.

They have made no intentions of creating a fascist state or enslaving us all.

No? Look at what they are doing right now and push it in 5 years.

MY only desires are to see this continent, and the world United as one.

Yeah, an utopia that will never work until people are able to support anarchy, where they don't need a government nor a boss to tell them what to do and don't work for money. And sorry but your utopia will only be achieve by war, and it's not worth it.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

They have made no intentions of creating a fascist state or enslaving us all.

No? Look at what they are doing right now and push it in 5 years.

How is wanting to see a united North America, based on freedom,
as was mentioned by DYepes earlier, bad?

And in 5 years America will still be America, albeit with a
few new house representatives, senators and a different
president.

MY only desires are to see this continent, and the world United as one.

Yeah, an utopia that will never work until people are able to support anarchy, where they don't need a government nor a boss to tell them what to do and don't work for money. And sorry but your utopia will only be achieve by war, and it's not worth it.

First of all, by definition a Utopia could never exist, as it means
something that does not exist.

Anarchy can never work, as it would lead to others violating
others rights.

You can have a free, democratic and justiceful world government,
all you have to do is make sure that it has term limits, certain
things can not be done and that it's transparent.

And humanity will always have to do work of some kind, perhaps
not for money, but you could have my, and DYepes idea
of a world government, and still have money around.

How is wanting to see a united North America, based on freedom,
as was mentioned by DYepes earlier, bad?

Of course it would be great, but it's not what they intend to do.

And in 5 years America will still be America, albeit with a
few new house representatives, senators and a different
president.

Yeah right, a different name but not a different agenda unless a third party get elected.

First of all, by definition a Utopia could never exist, as it means
something that does not exist.

Call me a pessimist, but to have a world government based on freedom, rights and that everybody is working for the better good of everyone and that there's no war, IS an utopia.

Anarchy can never work, as it would lead to others violating
others rights.

That's why I say people are not enough mature to have an anarchy where you respect everybody, don't kill anybody or steal anybody. Then, you don't need laws nor police nor government.

You can have a free, democratic and justiceful world government,
all you have to do is make sure that it has term limits, certain
things can not be done and that it's transparent.

I'm pretty sure it will always be an utopia, even if you realise it, it will not last because humans are humans and some want to take over others.

And humanity will always have to do work of some kind, perhaps
not for money, but you could have my, and DYepes idea
of a world government, and still have money around.

Yeah, it would be great and I would welcome it, but those behind this plan, the bilderbergers and the CFR members are not doing it for the good of everybody but for their own benefits.

And even if they would do it for the better good, they need to kill 90% of the population to achieve it, because it's impossible to have everyone on earth enjoying the typical american dream, it would take 10 earths and we have only 1.

one world government would be good if it was run by just people all the time. but absolute power corrupts absolutely. always always always
research ancient civilisations and you will see where all this is going to.

the current people who are pushing for NAU are the worst people in the world. they fueled by greed, deception, and dark occultist concepts.

nothing good can come from this.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Yeah right, a different name but not a different agenda unless a third party get elected.

What I meant is that there won't be an NAU, or even talk of one,
it will be decades before one oculd form, there are enough people
around right ow, that will be around for awhile that would be so vehemently against it, for different reasons, that they would either
stop it outright, or prevent it until they were'nt around anymore.

Call me a pessimist, but to have a world government based on freedom, rights and that everybody is working for the better good of everyone and that there's no war, IS an utopia.

I said it would be based on democracy, freedom and justice,
I don't expect people to start working to better themselves
and humanity, people will continue working for the same
reasons they work now, so they can have money to buy the
essentials, than all the useless junk that they really don't need,
like 5 SUVs, and a gaudy crying clown painting, or a huge
diamond ring.

That's why I say people are not enough mature to have an anarchy where you respect everybody, don't kill anybody or steal anybody. Then, you don't need laws nor police nor government.

We'll always require a government of some kind, if not to keep
us from violating others rights, than to prevent other possible
hostile species that could come to Earth or that we may met
from doing so.

I'm pretty sure it will always be an utopia, even if you realise it, it will not last because humans are humans and some want to take over others.

True there are power hungry people, but that does'nt mean
that a free government like I advocate would collapse, just
look at all the scandals and such in politics that have been
exposed in the last 11 years because of the internet and
mass media, it makes that kind of thing very difficult.

Secondly, you can be power hungry, and not act on it.

Yeah, it would be great and I would welcome it, but those behind this plan, the bilderbergers and the CFR members are not doing it for the good of everybody but for their own benefits.

I suppose this is the biggest difference between our views,
I do not believe in any such groups, nor do I cnosider there
to be enough credible evidence of their existance.
That, and I tend to know if the future holds bad things like
that, and I don't feel it does.

There of course will be people who try things like that, and
scandals and such, but in the long term/big picture I do not
think it will happen.

And even if they would do it for the better good, they need to kill 90% of the population to achieve it, because it's impossible to have everyone on earth enjoying the typical american dream, it would take 10 earths and we have only 1.

There are enough resources on the planet to allow every person
to live a comfortable life, the problem is that we do not regulate
them and use them the way we should, we are incredibly wasteful.

Not to mention that all we have to do if resources start to become
a problem is expand outwards into the solar system and beyond.