Don't believe the "Truth" USAF Col. on 9/11

Do you remember when they had the energy meeting and Cheney went to court to block all info about that meeting from the public? Do you remember how the eavesdropping story came out? First we only monitored calls of foreign origin, then it was just suspected terrorists, then it was millions of our own calls? How about the news out of the White House. Fisrt they pay people to report positively on govt policy, then they have a male-escort ask infantile question even W can hit outa the park. Then they spend our tax money to produce and distribute ready made 'news segments.' Do you remember how they implied that Saddam had aided Al Qaeda, of course he had WMD's and bugs (we gave them to him), fight them there so we don't have to fight, them here. (no WMD's?) speading democracy to Iraq which is after all the White Man's Burden. They were hot on the trial of the people who profitted from the put calls on 9/11. Whatever happened to that? Goin to get that mad Antrax mailer, until they learned it was form Fort Detrick.

These guys are good. Always a step ahead and we never saw it comin. Remember how poor Martha went to prison? Why did junior never have to answer for his Harken debacle? Dick's company is supposed to be investigated for Enron type 'cookin' What's up with that? Who secured passage of the 'no bid' contracts Halliburton and affiliate KBR have received gratus from VP with love.

They all hit the Sunday talk shows the day after the NYT's printed Judy's colunm claiming insider knowledge of WMD's. She was their shill. They told her, she told us what they told her, and then they told us that her telling us was proof they what they were telling her was true. They're good, always a step ahead.

Are we relaxed enough now after the great liberal victory of Nov 06. Their good real good. They're always a step-------.

[edit on 3-12-2006 by polanksi]

... the 911 hijackings were part of a black operation carried out with the cooperation of elements in our government.

www.physics911.net...

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
No, they found plenty of wreckage, but there wasnt a need to discover what caused the planes to slam into their targets. So why go to the trouble and expense to try to jigsaw an airplane together when you already know why it crashed?

So your saying that you know for sure exactly what happened at all 4 crime scenes without a proper crime scene investigation and final reports from the FBI who were the lead investigators?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Forgot to mention....the NTSB was able to recover information from the FDRs that indicate that it was the ready to die ragheads that caused the planes to crash.

But there are conflicting reports on the black boxes, like this report states that the vioce recorder at the Pentagon had nothing on it.

www.emergency.com...

Officials in Washington, meantime, found flight data and voice recorders from the Pentagon attack site, but may not be able to retrieve any information from them. Federal sources said that the Pentagon crash black boxes were taken to the National Transportation Safety Bureau lab where a quick readout was attempted. But preliminary information shows there is nothing that appears to be useful on the cockpit voice tape. The tape appears to be blank or erased.

This report states that the black boxes at the Pentagon were found in the cockpit. Problem is black boxes are kept in the tail section of aircraft.

Newsweek Web Exclusive
Web Exclusive: Washington Heroes
On the ground at the Pentagon on Sept. 11

Sept. 28 (2001)

Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77. “We wanted to find live victims,” says Burkhammer. But this was a consolation prize. “Finding the black box gave us a little boost,” he says.
-- Debra Rosenberg

[edit on 3-12-2006 by ULTIMA1]

Ultima ~

I think what swamp fox was stating is that we knew HOW the planes crashed... not WHO. The crashes were DELIBERATE. There are Hundreds of EYE WITNESSES to the plane hitting the Pentagon. And the debris were not much more than the size of a 1/2 dollar.

Anyway, I think the Pentagon Debate is a waste of time.

They re construct when they don't know what happened 911 it was pretty clear. Now with the shttle they were just covering their asses. They knew from day 2 that the mission was doomed but didn't want people to realize they have no back up plan if something happens in orbit.

mikell

Mike.... Im not too familiar with NASA stuff.... But if they knew after Day 2... couldnt they have docked at the Space Station to assess the damage? Possilbe make reapirs....Is it possible to dock two shuttles at the space station? ( like I said Im ignorant to that NASA stuff)

( Sorry Mods I know this is off Topic)

Originally posted by CameronFox
Ultima ~

I think what swamp fox was stating is that we knew HOW the planes crashed... not WHO. The crashes were DELIBERATE. There are Hundreds of EYE WITNESSES to the plane hitting the Pentagon. And the debris were not much more than the size of a 1/2 dollar.

Anyway, I think the Pentagon Debate is a waste of time.

Just because they believe they know what happened does not mean that you still do not do a full and proper investigation.

There are no FBI incident reports that i can find that show exactly what happened at the aircraft crash scenes. I can find FBI incident reports on other aircraft crash scenes but not on any of the 911 crashes.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by CameronFox
Ultima ~

I think what swamp fox was stating is that we knew HOW the planes crashed... not WHO. The crashes were DELIBERATE. There are Hundreds of EYE WITNESSES to the plane hitting the Pentagon. And the debris were not much more than the size of a 1/2 dollar.

Anyway, I think the Pentagon Debate is a waste of time.

Just because they believe they know what happened does not mean that you still do not do a full and proper investigation.

There are no FBI incident reports that i can find that show exactly what happened at the aircraft crash scenes. I can find FBI incident reports on other aircraft crash scenes but not on any of the 911 crashes.

"Believe" what happened?" You saw the videos of the towers...no brainer. 100's of eye witnesses saw the AA plane hit the pentagon. As far as flight 93.... well I'll side with you there...I believe that plane was shot down. ("believe")



[edit on 3-12-2006 by CameronFox]

Originally posted by CameronFox

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by CameronFox
Ultima ~

I think what swamp fox was stating is that we knew HOW the planes crashed... not WHO. The crashes were DELIBERATE. There are Hundreds of EYE WITNESSES to the plane hitting the Pentagon. And the debris were not much more than the size of a 1/2 dollar.

Anyway, I think the Pentagon Debate is a waste of time.

Just because they believe they know what happened does not mean that you still do not do a full and proper investigation.

There are no FBI incident reports that i can find that show exactly what happened at the aircraft crash scenes. I can find FBI incident reports on other aircraft crash scenes but not on any of the 911 crashes.

"Believe" what happened?" You saw the videos of the towers...no brainer. 100's of eye witnesses saw the AA plane hit the pentagon. As far as flight 93.... well I'll side with you there...I believe that plane was shot down. ("believe")



[edit on 3-12-2006 by CameronFox]

So if we go by your logic thats like saying if police are at a crime scene and someone says they saw what hpappned then the investigators do not have to do a complete and proper investigation.

Also even though their were lots of witnesses at the Pentagon they could not agree on what type of plane it was let alone if it was flight 77.

And do not forget the witness that said they were told later it was a 757. Lets also look at how many of the witnesses had political connections and jobs.

911review.org...

Dennis Clem is a Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Penny Elgas sits on the FDIC Advisory Committee on Banking Policy, alongside of Jean Baker, who just happens to be the Chief of Staff at the Office of President George H.W. Bush.
Albert Hemphill is a Lt. General with the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization.
Captain (now Major) Lincoln Leibner is a communications officer for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
Stephen McGraw is a former U.S. Department of Justice attorney reborn as an Opus Dei priest.
Colonel Mitch Mitchell serves as a CBS News war spinner military consultant.
Patty Murray is a United States Senator (D-Washington).
Rick Renzi is a United States Congressman (R-Arizona).
James Robbins is a contributor to National Review, a national security analyst,
and a Senior Fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council.
I'm not sure exactly who Meseidy Rodriguez is, but his name appears in legal filings
concerning Dick Cheney's top-secret energy policy meetings, which probably isn't a good sign.
Vice Admiral Darb Ryan is the Chief of U.S. Naval Personnel.
Elizabeth Smiley is an intelligence operations specialist with Civil Aviation Security at FAA headquarters --which means that she is one of the people who inexplicably failed to perform their jobs on September 11, 2001, possibly because she was busy watching phantom jetliners crashing into the Pentagon.
Brig. General Clyde A. Vaughn is the deputy director of military support to civil authorities --which means that he is another one of the people who inexplicably failed to perform their jobs on September 11, 2001, possibly because he was also busy watching phantom jetliners crashing into the Pentagon.

ware I work we make parts for boeing and airbus and for the military. evrething is lot number controled even from the vender so it is traceble back to ho made the part. soo thair should have been some evidence that nobody has seen.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by CameronFox

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by CameronFox
Ultima ~

I think what swamp fox was stating is that we knew HOW the planes crashed... not WHO. The crashes were DELIBERATE. There are Hundreds of EYE WITNESSES to the plane hitting the Pentagon. And the debris were not much more than the size of a 1/2 dollar.

Anyway, I think the Pentagon Debate is a waste of time.

Just because they believe they know what happened does not mean that you still do not do a full and proper investigation.

There are no FBI incident reports that i can find that show exactly what happened at the aircraft crash scenes. I can find FBI incident reports on other aircraft crash scenes but not on any of the 911 crashes.

"Believe" what happened?" You saw the videos of the towers...no brainer. 100's of eye witnesses saw the AA plane hit the pentagon. As far as flight 93.... well I'll side with you there...I believe that plane was shot down. ("believe")



[edit on 3-12-2006 by CameronFox]

So if we go by your logic thats like saying if police are at a crime scene and someone says they saw what hpappned then the investigators do not have to do a complete and proper investigation.

Also even though their were lots of witnesses at the Pentagon they could not agree on what type of plane it was let alone if it was flight 77.

And do not forget the witness that said they were told later it was a 757. Lets also look at how many of the witnesses had political connections and jobs.

911review.org...

Dennis Clem is a Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Penny Elgas sits on the FDIC Advisory Committee on Banking Policy, alongside of Jean Baker, who just happens to be the Chief of Staff at the Office of President George H.W. Bush.
Albert Hemphill is a Lt. General with the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization.
Captain (now Major) Lincoln Leibner is a communications officer for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
Stephen McGraw is a former U.S. Department of Justice attorney reborn as an Opus Dei priest.
Colonel Mitch Mitchell serves as a CBS News war spinner military consultant.
Patty Murray is a United States Senator (D-Washington).
Rick Renzi is a United States Congressman (R-Arizona).
James Robbins is a contributor to National Review, a national security analyst,
and a Senior Fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council.
I'm not sure exactly who Meseidy Rodriguez is, but his name appears in legal filings
concerning Dick Cheney's top-secret energy policy meetings, which probably isn't a good sign.
Vice Admiral Darb Ryan is the Chief of U.S. Naval Personnel.
Elizabeth Smiley is an intelligence operations specialist with Civil Aviation Security at FAA headquarters --which means that she is one of the people who inexplicably failed to perform their jobs on September 11, 2001, possibly because she was busy watching phantom jetliners crashing into the Pentagon.
Brig. General Clyde A. Vaughn is the deputy director of military support to civil authorities --which means that he is another one of the people who inexplicably failed to perform their jobs on September 11, 2001, possibly because he was also busy watching phantom jetliners crashing into the Pentagon.

Thats NOT what I said. I was stating that investigators piece back an airplane if they DO NOT know the CAUSE of the Crash. These planes were INTENTIONALLY crashed. There WAS investigations at all crash sites (what was left of them) and evidence was collected. ( Plane parts..body parts.. etc.

If you recall...the first reports when the tower got hit it was a "Small commuter plane". People do not know from looking at the underbelly of a plane what type, make, model etc....NOW....if you want... I posted on a nother thread a website that listed around 100 witnesses. 61 of them saw the plane...13 Knew it was American Airlines. 7 Witnessed it speeding up prior to impact, 2 saw PEOPLE in the back....etc...

Now...seeing that the Pentagon is a GOVERNMENT building...don't you think a lot of the witnesses there would have ties to the government???

I love your "Phantom jetliner" line.... what were the hundreds of people in traffic looking at ???

Originally posted by CameronFox
Ultima ~

Thats NOT what I said. I was stating that investigators piece back an airplane if they DO NOT know the CAUSE of the Crash. These planes were INTENTIONALLY crashed. There WAS investigations at all crash sites (what was left of them) and evidence was collected. ( Plane parts..body parts.. etc.

If you recall...the first reports when the tower got hit it was a "Small commuter plane". People do not know from looking at the underbelly of a plane what type, make, model etc....NOW....if you want... I posted on a nother thread a website that listed around 100 witnesses. 61 of them saw the plane...13 Knew it was American Airlines. 7 Witnessed it speeding up prior to impact, 2 saw PEOPLE in the back....etc...

Now...seeing that the Pentagon is a GOVERNMENT building...don't you think a lot of the witnesses there would have ties to the government???

I love your "Phantom jetliner" line.... what were the hundreds of people in traffic looking at ???

Let me give you my background. I can provide transcripts and other documents to provide proof of the following.

I was a Crew Chief in the Air Force for 4 years. With training in all aspects of aircraft maintenence and crash recovery.

I was a Federal Police officer for 12 years at the NSA with training in Emergency Incident Management and High Rise Builidng evacuation.

I am now a Data Analysist at the NSA, having access to secured government systems and programs.

Even if the planes were INTENTIONALLY crashed you still need to do a proper investgation into the crime scene. Unless you can show me a leal documnet that says you do not have to do an investigation if you know what happned.

Yes people did see a plane, but could not verify it was a 757 let alone flight 77. I did not make the "phantom jetliner" line, it was in the quote from the website.

[edit on 3-12-2006 by ULTIMA1]

ULTIMA ... WHERE -WHERE-WHERE did I say there wasnt an investigation??? I don't give a rats rump what you do for work. I NEVER said there wasnt an investigation. I said that they didnt attempt to put the pieces of the plane back together. ( honestly they could have but I havent read anything about it)

I recall in my last post: "There WAS investigations at all crash sites (what was left of them) and evidence was collected. ( Plane parts..body parts.. etc. "

I never stated that there wasnt an investigation.



[edit on 3-12-2006 by CameronFox]

Originally posted by CameronFox
ULTIMA ... WHERE -WHERE-WHERE did I say there wasnt an investigation??? I don't give a rats rump what you do for work. I NEVER said there wasnt an investigation. I said that they didnt attempt to put the pieces of the plane back together. ( honestly they could have but I havent read anything about it)

I recall in my last post: "There WAS investigations at all crash sites (what was left of them) and evidence was collected. ( Plane parts..body parts.. etc. "

I never stated that there wasnt an investigation.



[edit on 3-12-2006 by CameronFox]

There may have been an investigation but where are the reports from the FBI on those investigations.

There seems to have not been a very good investigation at the Pentagon, the FBI did not take it over as a crime secene for 10 days and then only worked the scene for 5 days (after stating it would take 30 days to complete the crime scene).

As far as the parts found at the Pentagon there is no source for who took the photos fo the parts, where and when they were taken. Also their are no reports stating those parts match the registration number of flight 77.


[edit on 3-12-2006 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by CameronFox
We watched the planes hit the towers

So did we. I was sitting in front of the TV as the second plane hit. I watched it hit.
There is no question that two planes hit the WTC. Two planes full of people.

Originally posted by Redliner9k
So your saying we know the exact reason Flight 93 crashed?

Yes. TERRORISTS.

They took control of the airplane. Either they, or the passengers, managed to get the flight down before it went screaming into it's target in Washington DC. It's just that simple.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Also even though their were lots of witnesses at the Pentagon they could not agree on what type of plane it was let alone if it was flight 77.

So what? I couldn't tell you what kinds of planes are flying around just by looking at them. But I CAN tell the difference between an airplane and a cruise missile. I'm sure that everyone over the age of 10 can.

What's left to investigate? Thousands upon thousands of witness' saw these planes crash into buildings and into the PA countryside. They were freak'n plane crashes and there were terrorists on board who caused them one way or another. Phone calls by hijacked people in these situations revealed that.

Case closed.

ON TOPIC - This USAF Colonel is not adding anything viable to the 9/11 discussion.


[edit on 12/3/2006 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Also even though their were lots of witnesses at the Pentagon they could not agree on what type of plane it was let alone if it was flight 77.

So what? I couldn't tell you what kinds of planes are flying around just by looking at them. But I CAN tell the difference between an airplane and a cruise missile. I'm sure that everyone over the age of 10 can.

What's left to investigate? Thousands upon thousands of witness' saw these planes crash into buildings and into the PA countryside. They were freak'n plane crashes and there were terrorists on board who caused them one way or another. Phone calls by hijacked people in these situations revealed that.

Case closed.

ON TOPIC - This USAF Colonel is not adding anything viable to the 9/11 discussion.


[edit on 12/3/2006 by FlyersFan]

No the case is not closed since we do not have the official incident reports of what happned.

Yes thier were planes crashing into the buildings but their was a lot more going on that day then just planes crashing into buildings.

Thier are a lot of quetions still to be answered.

1. Like the fact that NORAD provided a report to the 911 commission that was full of mistakes and lies.

2. NORAD having an excercise that pulled aircraft from thier normal patrol areas.

3. Too many questions about builidng 7.

So the case is not closed till we have all the answers.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Also even though their were lots of witnesses at the Pentagon they could not agree on what type of plane it was let alone if it was flight 77.

So what? I couldn't tell you what kinds of planes are flying around just by looking at them. But I CAN tell the difference between an airplane and a cruise missile. I'm sure that everyone over the age of 10 can.

What's left to investigate? Thousands upon thousands of witness' saw these planes crash into buildings and into the PA countryside. They were freak'n plane crashes and there were terrorists on board who caused them one way or another. Phone calls by hijacked people in these situations revealed that.

Case closed.

ON TOPIC - This USAF Colonel is not adding anything viable to the 9/11 discussion.


[edit on 12/3/2006 by FlyersFan]

No the case is not closed since we do not have the official incident reports of what happned.

Yes thier were planes crashing into the buildings but their was a lot more going on that day then just planes crashing into buildings.

Thier are a lot of quetions still to be answered.

1. Like the fact that NORAD provided a report to the 911 commission that was full of mistakes and lies.

2. NORAD having an excercise that pulled aircraft from thier normal patrol areas.

3. Too many questions about builidng 7.

So the case is not closed till we have all the answers.






Ultima...I will agree with you that we need ANOTHER investigation into WHY our government FAILED in protecting us. What did Bush know ? Why was the 911 commisiion such a joke!

All the other CT stuff to ME seems like Disinfo.

Ultima...I will agree with you that we need ANOTHER investigation into WHY our government FAILED in protecting us. What did Bush know ? Why was the 911 commisiion such a joke!

All the other CT stuff to ME seems like Disinfo.

Well i am not a CT, i am just someone looking to find out from my education, experience and some common sense why thier are holes in the offical story.

What I've found is that FAA gave hijacking warnings even before the first plane hit the world trade centre.

85 minutes from the first hijacking warning to the Pentagon attack. That was ample time for fighters to be prepped, armed and fueled from Andrews to protect the Pentagon.

85 minutes. This can be corraberated by Fmr Minister of defence Paul Hellyer (Canada)

Thats his biggest question incase you didn't see the vidoe in the other post.

Why were airplanes allowed to fly around for an hour and a half and Norad just sat on it's ass. After the first tower it should have been an automatic reaction to get planes flying over the Pent, over the White House AND Capitol Building from Andrews.

85 minutes? it only took Norad 20 minutes to get a squadron on Pain Stewarts plane after 5 no response radio hails.

Someone in the gov. didn't just let 9/11 happen. Even if they did that still constitutes treason and the people of PNAC should be hung for treason.

It's all part of the master plan.

[edit on 3-12-2006 by jinsanity]

Originally posted by jinsanity
What I've found is that FAA gave hijacking warnings even before the first plane hit the world trade centre.

85 minutes from the first hijacking warning to the Pentagon attack. That was ample time for fighters to be prepped, armed and fueled from Andrews to protect the Pentagon.

85 minutes. This can be corraberated by Fmr Minister of defence Paul Hellyer (Canada)

Thats his biggest question incase you didn't see the vidoe in the other post.

Why were airplanes allowed to fly around for an hour and a half and Norad just sat on it's ass. After the first tower it should have been an automatic reaction to get planes flying over the Pent, over the White House AND Capitol Building from Andrews.

85 minutes? it only took Norad 20 minutes to get a squadron on Pain Stewarts plane after 5 no response radio hails.

Someone in the gov. didn't just let 9/11 happen. Even if they did that still constitutes treason and the people of PNAC should be hung for treason.

It's all part of the master plan.

[edit on 3-12-2006 by jinsanity]

Well NORAD had an exercise going on that pulled alot of planes away from their normal patrol zones.

NORAD news release.

www.norad.mil...

NORAD Maintains Northern Vigilance

Sept. 9, 2001

CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN AFS, Colo. – The North American Aerospace Defense Command shall deploy fighter aircraft as necessary to Forward Operating Locations (FOLS) in Alaska and Northern Canada to monitor a Russian air force exercise in the Russian arctic and North Pacific ocean.