What do all of you see happening to this country very soon and when will we be fully communistic whe

I see it not much longer before Churhes are closed and God is completely removed.

and it is very scary thinking about it.


peace.

Then get a group together and stand up for your constitutional rights. You will listen to people in the democratic party tell you all day long about the "seperation of church and state". Find me one place where it says there is to be a seperation. In the constitution it says that the government shall make NO LAW regarding religion. That means when they pass a bill saying the ten commandments must be removed from the courthouse steps, the law being passed is what is illegal. Dont let them steal your rights. I am not religious. That doesnt mean that I would take away your rights to pray in certain situations. People dont have to watch or listen. When it becomes illegal according to a law passed by the state or federal government, thats what was being referred to in the constitution. When the settlers came from other countries to america, they came in great numbers due to the persecution of their beliefs. Thats a big reason the constitution was written. Don't let them trick you into believing that your rights are being violated by allowing people of other religions to express their beliefs around you. If you dont like it dont listen or watch. I guess though I dont see it coming to soon. There are more people in this country that believe in one god or religion than people who do not. It would be hard. It would be scary though.

[Edited on 11/15/2003 by Seapeople]

" There are more people who believe in God in this country then do not "

But you must understand that men in power who are in the highest positions hate God. they will find any means of removing him nomatter how many people believe in God. Communisn cares nothing for people who believe in God and neither will this country.


And the only fighting i can do is fighting through prayer nomatter how stupid that may seem.


And yes, i do fear the day when this happens if the world last long enough for it to happen.


peace.

Jesus was communist. Communism is nothing to worry about, it is the people who run it that cause the problems.

[Edited on 15-11-2003 by jrod]

Originally posted by jrod
Jesus was a communist. Communism is nothing to worry about, it is the people who run it that cause the problems.

Not the people who run it. The people who let those people run it are the problem. Our constitution says the power lies within the people, not individual leaders. That means that all this passive attitiude that most people have towards politics is the real problem. I know that the people on this message board are by far not passive on those subjects. I also know that most people dont care and wait for other people to worry about it. We have to change that. We have to make people aware of whats about to happen. As far as communism. This country will never be communist. It may get close if they lump us into a world wide government though. Stand up for what you believe in.

Originally posted by Truth


" There are more people who believe in God in this country then do not "

does not mean that they are all christians.....they are many different religions in the U.S.

Originally posted by Truth
I see it not much longer before Churhes are closed and God is completely removed.

and it is very scary thinking about it.

peace.

It will be very scary when you will really see God within let's say 9 years...

God isn't going to be completely removed... just look at the gospel of Thomas... look at all the sayings which say God is coming back...

Churches are going away because it is overexagerated... God is almighty etc... that doesn't fit in the idea of persons anymore... just look at the bible and the contradictions and I know you see it too...

And yes again... menkind is really that stupid that it doesn't see a way in between, it is or correct or totally false (a fable)... yes I think you also know the smartness of menkind as I do...

It's no secret that I'm a strong ex- and anti-Christian. Personally, Judeo-Christian beliefs tend to make me sick to my stomach. I would even be so bold as to say Christianity deserves to be made illegal to practice outside of your home. However, I also believe in each person being allowed his or her own religious freedom. If you want the Ten Commandments up on courthouse steps, then you sure as hell better be ready to put up the 13 Goals of a Witch, the Knight's Code of Chivalry, and the Bushido up on it, as well.

Yes, Christianity is slowly fading, because people have become tired of the dogma. People are actually starting to think for themselves, and slowly realizing that Christianity keeps them from doing so. Personally, I see it as a victory. It's showing that Christianity isn't a perfect belief system, by any means, and that people eventually get sick of having hellfire and stupidity hurled at them.

Furthermore, Truth, there has never been a "true" form of Communism executed in the history of the world. The USSR became corrupted before they reached true Communism. Same thing with China. Therefore, your claim that Communism doesn't care about the God-believer is false. Of course, I guess being put on level ground with a Pagan or Muslim would seem uncaring to a Christian.
In theory, Communism would work perfect. If we could only execute it properly - perhaps on a town-wide, instead of nation-wide basis - we'd be better off, believe it or not. Communism, regardless of what propaganda you've been fed by Patriot parents, is about equality of all people. I like the idea of being equal to Bill Gates.

Anyway... maybe I'll rant later, when I fully wake up.

Lobo do you hate that i pray? when you read that did it make you feel sick to your stomach?


" people are thinking for themselves "


so do i, and what i think and love is exactly what the bible preaches.

I think killing and hating and adultury and jealousy are all wrong and i actually thought about it and agreed.


You think sin is thinking for yourself when it causes nothing but destruction, i live around sin and hate everyday, i live around constant breaking of these so called "dogmas" you talk about and my life is hell for seeing people like this.

when i sin, and i do fall like everybody else, i feel the innocent nature sucked out of my body and i become further and further from the way God made us.



So if sin is not thinking for your self then what is?

Also the reason communism is evil is because if i believe Jesus is God and the saviour, then i will be murdered just like those in russia during their communistic regime. Just for praying the rosary they were murdered.


It will happen here, i just don't know when, but i can see the signs of it.


peace.

I find humor that you Truth are condemning communism because you say it is evil, even though your God has been the most famous communist ever. Love of money is evil, not communism. In a perfect commie country there would be no money yet everyone would still get what they need, it sounds kind of like heaven on Earth.

For the last time, Russia was never a communist country, it was a Socialist Dicatorship!

it's sad that you are worried about having to lead your own spiritual life, it's also sad you fear having control over the country you live in, god doesn't live in any silly church god is everywhere, if u need someone to dictate everything to you then fear church being removed and also fear communism which is control by people, as soon as "someone" is in control it becomes a socialist dictatorship or republic, communism is for the popel by the people, democracy haha. find god don't go somewhere expecting him to be there

Truth, "thinking for one self" is making your own decisions, in this case, deciding what you believe. You have been spoon-fed your beliefs. You didn't decide on them. Not only that, but you have proven that you know nothing of Russian history. The fact that you pray doesn't make me sick - hell, even I pray... just not to a deity you would recognize. Your complete ignorance and "pity party" attitude is what makes me sick.

Russia was never a Communist nation. As jrod stated, it was a Socialist Dictatorship, get it right. And you want to whine about being persecuted for your beliefs? A relative of mine was executed during good ol' Iosef Stalin's time. Why? She happened to be a gypsy. I'm still a damn proud Russian descendant, and I try not to whine about the past.

You do realize what "dogma" is, right?
According to Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary:
dog-ma \ n: 1a: something held as an established opinion; b: a code of such tenets; c: a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds.

You seem to act like Christianity is about peace, when it is (more than likely) THE most violent religion on this Earth. My beliefs are not about violence; Buddhism isn't about violence, Taoism, Hinduism aren't about violence. They're about thinking for yourself. Seeing a pattern here? No? How about "religions that tell you that free-thought is a sin are the most violent and bigoted"?

Once again, back to Webster's:
com-mu-nism \ n: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as neded; c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably.

You're right, Truth. Equality and the chance for every family to have food to eat is so evil. God forbid that happen. I suggest you quit talking from your ass, quit regurgitating the rancid feces you've been fed, and sit down and actually research something before you bash it.
Just for kicks, and to show you we do not live in a Democracy here in the States (as I'm sure you think we do):
de-moc-ra-cy \ n: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
Sounds a lot like America, right? How about:

re-pub-lic \ n: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who is modern times is usually a president.
A democratic-republic. More of a republic, really. Getting closer to Socialism every day.

Now, I suggest you pick up a dictionary and look up the meanings of words you plan to use BEFORE you use them. May the sky pixie bless you; and may the sky pixie bless America.

God will NEVER be removed. God can only be removed if one's self let's him be removed. As far as I'm concerned Their gov't/your gov't/not my gov't will never remove God. The only thing they CAN do is make it difficult for those of us who do believe in God.

Originally posted by jrod
Jesus was communist. Communism is nothing to worry about, it is the people who run it that cause the problems.

[Edited on 15-11-2003 by jrod]

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com-mu-nism \ n: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as neded; c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably.


ok, so im going to work my life away to try and make something of myself only to have it be equally distributed to the people who sit on their lazy #ing ass. # that. communism DOES NOT work. WILL NEVER work. the people hate it. the only was communism can be enforced is the way it is in china, BY FORCE.

truth did you come back today?

welcome back anyway...

In a perfect communist society if you sit on your arse and dont contribute to society you would be disposed of.

" spoon fed"

I went to church 2 times in 21 years when i was a kid. you have no clue how i converted. I was never spoon fed christianity like the ignorance which has been spoon fed to you. You have not seen one hour of my life.





" God is everywhere "

Yea but my lords sacrafice is in church and only church. he is everywhere but his sacrafice is in his church.




When i say communism, i mean equality for all, truth for all ect..

you guys are hypocrites, you say you want freedom for religion and everybody can worship God how they choose, but who is God really?

Is he muhhameds, is he a statue, is he an idol, how can you place different truths on God yet never search who he really is.


When you start removing God from society, your country loses morality, and for this, this country will fall by its own evil. Its really sad.



peace.

Originally posted by sirCyco

Originally posted by Truth


" There are more people who believe in God in this country then do not "

does not mean that they are all christians.....they are many different religions in the U.S.

But it is still a religion. Whether thay are christians or not. Regardless of what your opinion is on other gods in other religions, they are still religions. So that point is irrelevant.

God cannot be removed from anywhere. He is everywhere and anywhere he chooses to be.

Man has no say or control over God.

Jesus only found one church according to Revelations that was luke-warm. He could say the same thing now.

How many churches teach the truth about Jesus? They teach the return of Jesus, he came and went during his generation. He taught those people they needed to know what was to be-fall them.

A new heaven and earth was created in a spiritual sense. It is not something visual to see. No one could enter heaven until salvation was given. Adam was the first person to go to heaven, Jesus took him up to heaven from hell the waiting place. Remember, Jesus decended to hell when he died.

The gates of hell were locked and chained. There was shouting and joy down there that day, "open the gates let him in." They were given the gift of salvation as they were promised as it is written. It had to be fulfilled.

It is up to each and everyone of us to learn what the truth is. Learn why the truth was taken from many... that includes some of yous. It is all written.

Jesus made it very simple follow him and his teaches, not the teaches of man.

Jesus spoke only to that generation in the bible not to us. Man has turned it around and twisted it to fit it in modern times.

Ask yourself a question. Why would Jesus spend so much time teaching those people? What do you think they are going to do for you? THEY ARE DEAD!

Did I fall asleep after the fall of the Berlin Wall ?

Communist ??

Do you even have a term of reference for the phrase ?

have read Marx and Engles ?

The day America is considered "communist" i will eat my hat - does Vietnam, Domino Effect, Mcarthy and the cold war not give any clues. HELL you even as if people have been a member of the communist party before they enter the country.

If what you are actually concerned about is the move away from religion and the fear of a godless society say it - dont use communism as a phrase unless you actually understand the ramifications of such an ideology.

Religion in the US has more to worry about from the implications of TV evangalists and the secrecy of the Catholic Church than it does from a a fear of encroaching Communism.

You also face a bigger threat - or didnt 9/11 tell you that ? - Muslim Fundamentalism.

Communism does not equal a godless society - yes communists reject religion but post hoc ergo propter hoc does not apply in this situaltion.