inside dulce 5th level blood lab photo

Originally posted by johnlear

My supportable opinion. In other words the evidence was good enough for me. The fact that I am not passing that evidence on to you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means I am leaving you uninformed.

Just... wow...

So johnlear has EVIDENCE that Dulce exists and isnt willing to share the info but IS willing to share pictures of the moon and claims that these pictures might show mining and other such structures.

Does this make anyone else's eyebrows raise?

I thought we were all after the same thing johnlear, but if you are intentionally leaving the members of the community in the dark about certain things, I have to question your motivations for sharing ANY information at all.

John.
Thats a very good question. What would i consider undeniable proof? How about you post what you have, not what you know, and we go from there.

Words such as "i saw blah blah blah" or "my buddy, who knows this guy, who saw this thing once..." doesnt cut it.
I dont care if you say "General Patton himself told me it was true"

because word of mouth means nothing as we all know, the person telling you could be wrong. SO....

Post provable hard facts, lat and long, post pics of identifiable objects linking the objects in the pictures to the Dulce Base.

Post scans of actual US Military documentation that mentions "genetic manipulation with aliens" or whatever the hell you claim.

Hey, even better.... post something that PROVES that there was this "firefight" you claim happened.... such as pictures, sworn afidavits, medic reports, clothes with bloody holes burnt through them and so on...

Dont bother with crappy videos made by amateurs wearing the wrong uniforms and rubber alien dummies either

The funny thing is, i would LOVE to believe in these sort of things, but the only "proof" i have ever seen is qwacks on the internet saying "oh! i know the truth and if you dont believe me your an ignorant misinformed disinformation agent!!"

Not a single shred of any ALIEN (NOT Unidentified Flying Objects as we all know your government has many secret planes and so on) evidence can be objectively proven as FACT and TANGIBLE. Not a thing. Just "reports" and heresay that seems to pop up out of nowhere...

Hell, even your buddy Lazar, who claims alot of alien craft information only had a few hand drawn pictures! lol! But we are supposed to believe there are pics from inside Dulce from "disgruntled security officers"??? cmon!

Originally posted by 7Ayreon
I took a few seconds to look at those photos. The instant my eye saw it, it retaliated. Why? Because anyone, and I mean anyone, can set up a prop laboratory, shoot it, and scan it, than make it look genuine, old, bleek, and believable. Whats really going to pop the eye, is that there is no forseeable Identification of its highly speculated origin.

7A

Do it.

Make it just like that

I think what John was really trying to say with the first comment about telling the guy(don't remember who it was) to go stay the night at Dulce, was because he's saying that y can't form an opinion for yourself without first experiencing the situation. He's saying fi nothing happens, and you're not convinced, he will accept it, but the fact that you've never been to that spot and you're saying things like "It doesn't exist" is what makes you ignorant. At least that's what I thought John was saying.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Tiloke

Oh, John ......no, Please tell me your not saying anyone who needs at least some physical proof are ignorant and uninformed?

No. I'm saying that Dulce (Joint US/Alien underground base) exists. Deal with it. Thanks.

No. You said you and John Grace made up the Dulce (Krill) papers and it was a joke. Deal with it. Thanks.

pdharris0.tripod.com...

Why you haven't been banned from this board yet is beyond me.

There's more to Dulce than the Krill papers. Deal with it. Thanks.

Originally posted by johnlear
No. I'm saying that Dulce (Joint US/Alien underground base) exists. Deal with it. Thanks.

My supportable opinion.

John, I like your suggestions about family life and taking it easy, but there comes a point when the old guy spinnin' yarns on the front porch schtick gets old.

Frankly, I think your attitude is condescending towards the entire readership of this site, and personally I'm offended that you think I'm that dumb.

Dulce (Joint US/Alien underground base) does not exist. That is not my opinion. I can safely accept that as fact because no entity anywhere can show me the tiniest sliver of real evidence that it exists.

The schtick is getting old. Deal with it. Thanks.

Originally posted by donk_316

John.
Thats a very good question. What would i consider undeniable proof? How about you post what you have, not what you know, and we go from there.

Words such as "i saw blah blah blah" or "my buddy, who knows this guy, who saw this thing once..." doesnt cut it.
I dont care if you say "General Patton himself told me it was true"

because word of mouth means nothing as we all know, the person telling you could be wrong. SO....

Post provable hard facts, lat and long, post pics of identifiable objects linking the objects in the pictures to the Dulce Base.

Post scans of actual US Military documentation that mentions "genetic manipulation with aliens" or whatever the hell you claim.

Hey, even better.... post something that PROVES that there was this "firefight" you claim happened.... such as pictures, sworn afidavits, medic reports, clothes with bloody holes burnt through them and so on...

Dont bother with crappy videos made by amateurs wearing the wrong uniforms and rubber alien dummies either

Yeah, well...nice try donk_316 but no cigar. No, you post what you will accept as proof Dulce exists. I am not going to jump through endless hoops to prove something I already know exists. Clothes with bloody holes burnt through them? Surely you jest? Medical reports? Sworn affidavits? You are going to have to do a lot better than that. Pictures? You must be joking. Every single one of those items can be faked.

You are going to have to get serious donk_316 and come up with something every single member on ATs will accept as iron clad proof that Dulce exists. Not only that but after I deliver what you ask for (approved by ever single single member of ATS) I want a "Hero of ATS" award for having met the challenge.

Thanks for your understanding.

Originally posted by johnlear
Yeah, well...nice try donk_316 but no cigar. No, you post what you will accept as proof Dulce exists. I am not going to jump through endless hoops to prove something I already know exists. Clothes with bloody holes burnt through them? Surely you jest? Medical reports? Sworn affidavits? You are going to have to do a lot better than that. Pictures? You must be joking. Every single one of those items can be faked.

You are going to have to get serious donk_316 and come up with something every single member on ATs will accept as iron clad proof that Dulce exists. Not only that but after I deliver what you ask for (approved by ever single single member of ATS) I want a "Hero of ATS" award for having met the challenge.

Thanks for your understanding.

I've read many of your posts on here John and I have to say I do believe that you have knowledge about many things that the majority of us on this board do not have.

However why NOT post a picture? Or an affidavit? Even if half the board claims it's forged, let the other half that have open minds decide what there is to see. If you have ANY evidence of these things it should be shared to help support your opinions as facts. Yes all those things may be forged and easily faked, but the easiest things to fake are words on an internet forum.

I don't see how you can truly deny ignorance and come to a conclusion on ANY topic on this board without having all data points, evidence, testimonies, etc that are available on a subject. It gets to be frustrating at times when people use their mere opinions (based on only a few data points) as proof of the existence of some conspiratorial subject.

This isn't a personal attack on you John, just a little venting in general.

Back on subject ... Dulce? Not enough info on it out there for me to spend time on it. Maybe with the help of knowledgeable people on this board that will change?

EDIT: spelling

[edit on 24-11-2006 by Fiverz]

[QUOTE]However why NOT post a picture? Or an affidavit? Even if half the board claims it's forged, let the other half that have open minds decide what there is to see. If you have ANY evidence of these things it should be shared to help support your opinions as facts. Yes all those things may be forged and easily faked, but the easiest things to fake are words on an internet forum.

Because he doesn't have any evidence. And he never will..

Evidence + Lear = Oxymoron

Perhaps this will ease the discussion along: Mr. Lear, what sold you on the existence of the Dulce base? By the way, I'm completely neutral on the issue.

There is absoleutly no way of determining on your own without the influential stories that are all seemingly related regarding dulce. Could be a ledend or real. But we have no decisive evidence at all not a thread, the things that are presented to you is not evidence its more of a prop because we are not sure it 100% authentic, so its not evidence. If you want to really find out then go to Dulce and investigate for yourself, only then you can make a conclusion. People are very capable of making up well thoughtout stories, Dulce being fake is a strong possibility but it remains a possibility that it exists in a doubtful way.

Originally posted by donk_316
John.
Thats a very good question. What would i consider undeniable proof? How about you post what you have, not what you know, and we go from there.

Words such as "i saw blah blah blah" or "my buddy, who knows this guy, who saw this thing once..." doesnt cut it.
I dont care if you say "General Patton himself told me it was true"

because word of mouth means nothing as we all know, the person telling you could be wrong. SO....

Post provable hard facts, lat and long, post pics of identifiable objects linking the objects in the pictures to the Dulce Base.

Post scans of actual US Military documentation that mentions "genetic manipulation with aliens" or whatever the hell you claim.

Hey, even better.... post something that PROVES that there was this "firefight" you claim happened.... such as pictures, sworn afidavits, medic reports, clothes with bloody holes burnt through them and so on...

Dont bother with crappy videos made by amateurs wearing the wrong uniforms and rubber alien dummies either

The funny thing is, i would LOVE to believe in these sort of things, but the only "proof" i have ever seen is qwacks on the internet saying "oh! i know the truth and if you dont believe me your an ignorant misinformed disinformation agent!!"

Not a single shred of any ALIEN (NOT Unidentified Flying Objects as we all know your government has many secret planes and so on) evidence can be objectively proven as FACT and TANGIBLE. Not a thing. Just "reports" and heresay that seems to pop up out of nowhere...

Hell, even your buddy Lazar, who claims alot of alien craft information only had a few hand drawn pictures! lol! But we are supposed to believe there are pics from inside Dulce from "disgruntled security officers"??? cmon!

Anything else your Majesty ?

As for your claime john... did I get the wrong impression or you're ready to offer to us something very big about Dulce? (which by the way I do believe that exists).

In another post here I read something about a security guard that provided the photo and then the video and then... and he was a CIA agent.
Oh common guys, you either say the things correctly or don't say at all. The photo posted here is the one owned by Tal LeVesque and the guy who allegedly worked as a security guard (Thomas Castello) didn't give any photo or video to him. The photo has been provided to Tal by somebody else working at Dulce Base.

I lived 40 mi. south of Dulce and spent a lot of time hiking, fishing and playin black jack in the Jicarilla Apache casino. I never saw any evidence of a base there but there were plenty of white vans and other vehicles that seemed out of place. I always associated them with the oil and gas industry that is prevelant around Dulce.

North in the San Luis Valley in So. Colo. is another story. High strangness abounds with strange lights, very strange people, and just a general creepy vibe.
I experienced a time distortion event that freaked me out.

Condemnation without investigation really dosen't become the members of ATS.
Skepticism is fine but take a little trip out here you might be suprised at some of the things you encounter if you get out in the country away from the tourist meccas of Taos and Santa Fe.

[edit on 24-11-2006 by whaaa]

Originally posted by whaaa
Condemnation without investigation really dosen't become the members of ATS.
Skepticism is fine but take a little trip out here you might be suprised at some of the things you encounter.

I agree with this as well ... dismissing an idea because you don't have enough facts about it is being pretty ignorant as well.

However there are those of us without the means to actually spend time in the area and therefore must rely on any evidence that others can provide.

And I take back what I said a few posts above ... there IS indeed enough info out there to get me interested in this topic (haha it doesn't take much for this guy)

Originally posted by Telos


in another post here I read something about a security guard that provided the photo and then the video and then... and he was a CIA agent.
Oh common guys, you either say the things correctly or don't say at all. The photo posted here is the one owned by Tal LeVesque and the guy who allegedly worked as a security guard (Thomas Castello) didn't give any photo or video to him. The photo has been provided to Tal by somebody else working at Dulce Base.

(This was taken by Thomas Castello in 1979. Thomas Castello was a CIA security officer at Dulce and has since dissapeared (presumed dead) after blowing the whistle. The blood labs are located on the fifth level of the Dulce base. Below is a piece of intelligence I recieved from one of my NSA contacts.)

Thats a quote from the site i found the image on. i wouldnt just make up the fact the a cia officer took the picture i just posted what i read.

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by johnlear

My supportable opinion. In other words the evidence was good enough for me. The fact that I am not passing that evidence on to you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means I am leaving you uninformed.

Just... wow...

So johnlear has EVIDENCE that Dulce exists and isnt willing to share the info but IS willing to share pictures of the moon and claims that these pictures might show mining and other such structures.

Does this make anyone else's eyebrows raise?

I thought we were all after the same thing johnlear, but if you are intentionally leaving the members of the community in the dark about certain things, I have to question your motivations for sharing ANY information at all.

I have to say, Hank, that this is the BEST post you have had yet (and I've read MANY in, ahem, another thread that still remains closed).

As you know (as well as many others) I have had some eye opening experiences in the past month and am very open to the existance of "something else". That being said, I am still looking for people trying to exploit this niche for whatever personal reasons they may have. In my opininon Hank, you have proved that John is a fraud. He is willing to put his balls on the line with smudged moon photos, but wont do the same in reguards to Dulce? Insead he is making us play to his ego by, in essence, saying "you dont know but I do. . so beg to me and I'll make something up to make you go wow!"

John, I wanted to believe what you have posted. . and you sound very informed and believeable. However you have to admit that your inconsistancy is pretty overwhelming and very condescending to every ATS member here trying to make sense of whats real, and whats not.

If you have proof, post it. Otherwise, why the F are you here? Please enlighten us all with your "evidence".





[edit on 25-11-2006 by amongus]

I agree with this as well ... dismissing an idea because you don't have enough facts about it is being pretty ignorant as well.

check out the coherance theory and whilst doing so remember that a lot of philosophers and scientists far more intelligent than either me or thee follow this theory.

However there are those of us without the means to actually spend time in the area and therefore must rely on any evidence that others can provide.
there IS indeed enough info out there to get me interested in this topic

me too, not enough to convince me that its real, but i will do some digging of my own.
For people like me who are in this boat, would it be possible for somebody to link all the evidence to this thread or another thread or u2u me or something as somewhere for me to start please.

justin

[edit on 25-11-2006 by justin_barton3]

Now I don't know what the 'zetans' do with blood, but having recently visited an abbitoir in a technical capacity that looks nothing like the equipment using to process blood by-products.

On another note the whole eating humans for food thing is pretty absurd when you consider the quantities required, given the scale of the human meat and livestock industry as a comparison.

edit for typo


[edit on 25-11-2006 by Completely Insane]

The whole eating people thing sounds mental, I believe world governments are capable of some pretty awful things, but to keep people alive in cages to be eaten by Aliens? Come on that is really out there, surely they would have to eat something else if they are working with humans?

Now I have written many a post defending John Lear, however his responses in this thread are I must say are a little disappointing. Maybe it is the constant having to defend himself here or what I don't know, but John you have come across well below your normal high standards of posting on this board.

John there are many here who do find your opinions incredibly interesting, any evidence you provide about this dulce base will be taken seriously by those who do not see you as a dis-info agent. So I ask you on behalf of your many supporters here on this site, to please put forward what you know and the evidence that convinced you that this base does indeed exist.

Thanks

TK