Subliminal message in Jay-Z song, is it real or just religious propaganda?

Well I have been on Napster listening to a lot of Jay-Z songs to see if there's one that sounds like the one in the video, I haven't made it all the way through yet, but it seems that just about every other song has a piano in it.

I will go ahead and say that I think it is just religious propaganda, because I have listened to songs backwards, and even listen to a few songs that had backwards messages playing in forward; I've even made my own backwards messages before, actually reading a sentence backwards, and this clip sounds way too clear to be an actual subliminal message. I think if it were that clear backwards people would definitely be able to notice it when playing it normally. It would sound very weird, but it would be too noticeable to be subliminal. I'm going to vote for religious propaganda.

If anybody does manage to figure out what song this is, tell me and will do the backwards analyzing of it as well to see if it works.

Originally posted by dbates
My opinion? There are plenty of messed up things in his lyrics without the need to play it backwards. Just read the lyrics to his songs. Lots of cool stuff in there about killing people, doing drugs, running from the Po-lice, and slapping them women around cause they're nothing but "ho's". It's the usual thug life stuff.

This little sermon is as useful as a discussion on if the safety should be on when you hand your child a loaded gun. Why don't they point out the obvious? His lyrics are twisted already. All this backwards masking stuff is just a distraction from the actual issue of his lyrics and it's message.


Freaky coincidence but it's just propaganda.

[edit on 20-11-2006 by dbates]

Yeah. I didn't understand rap on the radio.. I am not entirely sure how 1 could listen to that BS at all now that I have read the actual lyrics.. honestly. I don't like to blame material products in relation to other peoples problems, especially a general population, such as the claim video games cause more violence, I would say that is BS. However. Reading those lyrics and how many inner city (and suburban inner city wannabes) worship this crap.. is it a wonder why our nation is so sick, backwards, violent and completely disrespectful self induced and ignorant? It is a cultural thing. People who listen to country, or "pop" or even "r&b - I think that is different then rap..) those people don't act as barbaric as the "gangster" .. what is so appealing about that life style??

I listen to Pastor Troy and Tech N9ne. Also, Immortal Technique. I have reversed many Pastor Troy songs and alot of them do have backmasking, like the D.S.G.B. song. They sing Deeee Eeeees Geeee Beee! forward, but backwards it says "Heeear Meeee Saaaay Iiiiiing"

Also, he purposely recorded parts of his Acid Rain song backwards in the regular song. I've heard "Smoke some Rock" in one also. He uses it alot.

Tech N9ne does backmasking in a few of his songs also, can't remember which. They are pretty clear. Also, he puts backwards clips in his regular songs.

Immortal, I don't know about, but I suspect it.

Oh yeah, on another note, Young Jeezy's Gangsta Music song...the chorus goes "All the gangstas, they gon' ride to this (2x). This is gangsta music (3x)" backwards it says something (forgot) and it sounds like it mentions marijuana.

One of Tu Pac's backwards has him talking about Biggie.


All of these I found myself, using a free program called Audacity. I saved the files on my computer also.

One more, Bizzy Bone's song Not Afraid's chorus says "B-I-Z-Z-Y, B-I-Z-Z-Y, he is gold, he is gold, he is gold" backwards. (Kinda iffy, could be "here we go", but the BIZZY part is VERY obvious.)

Speaking of Pastor Troy, have you ever heard "Vice Versa"? I'm not sure if that song originally had intentional backwards lyrics in it, but what it said was some pretty bad stuff. Something along the lines of "I f'd Virgin Mary". And the song "Acid Rain", I don't care, I love that song. I'm not a fan of Curt Cobain or Nirvana, but Acid Rain is an awesome song.

the song in question is lucifer by jayz on the black album. i suspect its in the section of the song where he saids..........jesus i aint trying to be fasicious but lord you said it bette than all. hope that helps.

The track is Lucifer, from DJ Dangermouse's "mash-up" of the White and Black albums.

6-6-6 can be found, when reversed, at the end, but there is no "murder, murder, Jesus".

I think many are not seeing the writing on the wall. Anyone see the record label and album name?

www.rocafella.com...
Roca-fella? Rockefeller...also equated with New World Order and conspiracy lore

New Album:
Kingdom Come

Last note:
To the ones that get somewhat pinched about Jesus....you should get rather pinched and pissed off...thats a good sign. You have been taught the wrong Jesus since you first heard of Jesus. Close to 98% that claim to be christian and followers of christ are not.... they are antichrist (preaching another gospel...namely the gospel of sin and death...trying to intermingle law and grace)

This is rather funny. I can see the connection that people see as rappers having secret messages, but I think they just come off sounding that way to people like us that look outside the box. But I think when it comes down to it, it's nothing. I don't think as a child jay z was thinking about becoming a rapper to be part of the elite and spread some anti-religious non-sense or to use hidden messages to reveal his working part of the NWO.

Alright, I listen to A LOT of different music. When I heard this, something just didn't sound legit about it. Then I realized that I've heard that somewhere before. If you guys check out the song called "Revolution 9" by the Beatles, you will know exactly what I'm talking about. It sounds like this guy sampled off of this song and layered Jay Z's voice and a couple other things on top of it. Let me know what you think.

I suppose I should have read the few posts before mine instead of jumping on this one... at least I was partially right in the fact that this guy did use "Revolution 9" off of the Beatles White Album to make the song. Sorry.

At least they are finally leaving heavy metal music alone.

What does it sound like when it is run normal?

[edit on 16-12-2006 by zerotime]

Has anyone figured out if this is really a backwards Jay-Z song or remix of a song? I mean definitively .. because I always thought Jay-Z believed in God.

Sounds to me like an intentional ploy to sell more albums to a particular disaffected demographic.

A lot of the music I grew up with has intentional baskmasking in it when played backwards - just because the whole "Judas Priest Suicide" case gave som much media publicity to "lyrics" embedded in music if played backwards.

Some artists today have no qualms about using such tricks to sell an album.

I'm not that big a fan of Jay-Z - but he does advocate a rather selfish and self righteous attitude, as well as sermonizing about the thug lifestyle.

Does "the Devil" have a hand in it all? Can't say - but there is enough interest in the darker side of the occult to generate curiousity and album purchases within the teenage - twentysomething market.

It's called interlude. Well over a year ago a Freemason made a mock video of anti-masons he lurked on here and had it in his sig until a mod made him remove it. It's funny he had this song used in this video well before this surfaced.

I think it was called "Illuminati will blow up your toilet" based on an old running joke n the Secret Societies forum. At the end it shows a toilet blow up. Anyway if anyone has saved a copy of that vid please post it. I think it was on putfile but putfile has lost so many videos I can't find it.

It is Jay z voice. The song made by danger mouse. The lyric of murder,murder is also part of another song. Also Jay Z has a song called Lucifer by himself and with danger mouse. Hmm what else. If you search Jay Z + Freemason on Google there are two huge threads on two different message boards with interesting facts and photos. Also there was a flickr site with all the archive pictures.

Originally posted by 7Pan7cho7
Speaking of Pastor Troy, have you ever heard "Vice Versa"? I'm not sure if that song originally had intentional backwards lyrics in it, but what it said was some pretty bad stuff. Something along the lines of "I f'd Virgin Mary". And the song "Acid Rain", I don't care, I love that song. I'm not a fan of Curt Cobain or Nirvana, but Acid Rain is an awesome song.

Yeah, PT is my favorite artist.

I have heard Vica Versa, but not backwards.

Ok sorry, but the whole Rocafella / NWO thing is going a bit far. You have to consider that most rap and pop that has been made in the last ten years is made to advertise to the 13 year old MTV generation. MTV has ruined many things in music and TV. I highly doubt that Jay-Z is staking his claim in the NWO. This guy is probably catching alot of crap from various Christian interest groups now, just because someone wanted to target modern pop culture again. (I do also agree that way too many young people worship this crap though) It's just music, someone stating what they feel. The album cover in my avatar is 10,000 Days, which is 27 years. Anyone care to give the meaning a guess? If you want to hear anything subliminal, listen to "Rosetta Stoned" with the balance adjusted all the way to the left. Listen again with the balance to the right. There are two overlapping tracks there. It tells a story of Area 51 and military testing I believe.

[edit on 1/5/2007 by venom79x]

This IS religious propaganda. And I can tell you the reason why.

G Craige Lewis of EX Ministries is propagating an extensive high-press ministry in order to step up the status of the Pentecostal church. I was personally one of the few people entangled in debate with several of his followers on Facebook.com.

After a very heated religious conflict in my area, me and my partner in research and activism have uncovered the lies and mistruth in his ministry. He is leading a blatant scheme to promote the domination of the Pentecostal church. This is not to promote Jay-Z in ANY manner. And trust me, his followers adhere to his ministry like scared little babies.

I have more information and will share at will with those who care to listen and read...

That clip is fake. Does anybody else notice that Jay uses the name Hova. Come on now Jay Hova

Why would he put that....weirdo, makes you think don't it..lol

Originally posted by zerotime
What does it sound like when it is run normal?

Like crap on a stick.