An "idea" called America

Bush doesn't think America should be an actual place

President Bush believes America should be more of an idea than an actual place, a Republican congressman told WND in an exclusive interview.

"People have to understand what we're talking about here. The president of the United States is an internationalist," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. "He is going to do what he can to create a place where the idea of America is just that – it's an idea. It's not an actual place defined by borders. I mean this is where this guy is really going."

Tancredo lashed out at the White House's lack of action in securing U.S. borders, and said efforts to merge the U.S. with both Mexico and Canada is not a fantasy.

If you think this is bogus, maybe you should be checking this out. Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America

The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) was launched in March of 2005 as a trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity among the United States, Canada and Mexico through greater cooperation and information sharing.

Sounds like the "North American Union" to me. I find it interesting that a lot of issues being put in place today may in fact be pointing in this direction...

A new world order... as discussed by Bush SR? I know it's been in the works longer than him, but at least he made it public news. All the infastructure being laid out now, IMO... we are being led to this. Eventually, there will be a one world government... a one world economy... then....

Has anyone else heard of this? It's not really new "news"... it's just been under-publicized.

Is this another stepping stone, hurdle, or puzzle piece to the NWO? What are you opinions?

[edit on 11/20/2006 by Infoholic]

I heard a lot of weird ones over the years, but this is completely unheard of!

America= an Idea?

This is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard of. If America becomes an idea, than what are all of us who live in the USA? You can't be a citizen of an idea, can you? Freedom can be an idea, justic can be an idea.

Sheesh, our leaders get odder by the minute!

Tim

Originally posted by Ghost01
I heard a lot of weird ones over the years, but this is completely unheard of!

America= an Idea?

This is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard of. If America becomes an idea, than what are all of us who live in the USA? You can't be a citizen of an idea, can you? Freedom can be an idea, justic can be an idea.

Sheesh, our leaders get odder by the minute!

Tim

Not really bizarre... more... um... new world orderly-like

Yeah, he's a globalist... and he's merging the US, Canada and Mexico together right under our noses. Some business already received their NAU business number... they are building the tolls roads, the NAFTA... those MTF... Some in Texas were talking about armed resistance to the NAFTA highway... we'll see what happen.

I'll remind you that abolishing the sovergnity of the US is a treason... so if any other stupid neo-con come here and say that Bush is a good president, I'll probably go mad.

[edit on 20-11-2006 by Vitchilo]

Our Empire can't conquer the world through military power, but we can through economics and through culture and influence. Globalist like himself care little about national identity and sovereignty but instead that when the world conforms into a single nation, our people will have the largest amount of influence and that our political system over shadows the worlds. Hey. If you can't beat em, absorb them.

Hopefully a few decades from now people will see what is happening and globalism will die away, but for some reason I really.. really doubt that.

Just happened to come across some more interesting stuff. (thanks pokerbrody)
(more news sources from original post.)
source

Rep. Tancredo: Bush Wants To Merge U.S. With Mexico and Canada
Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO), one of the leading voices on immigration for the right, claims President George W. Bush is plotting to merge the U.S. with Mexico and Canada. An excerpt from WorldNetDaily:

Tancredo lashed out at the White House’s lack of action in securing U.S. borders, and said efforts to merge the U.S. with both Mexico and Canada is not a fantasy.

“I know this is dramatic — or maybe somebody would say overly dramatic — but I’m telling you, that everything I see leads me to believe that this whole idea of the North American Union, it’s not something that just is written about by right-wing fringe kooks. It is something in the head of the president of the United States, the president of Mexico, I think the prime minister of Canada buys into it. …

You might think the right would immediately repudiate this kind of conspiracy theory. You’d be wrong. The National Review’s Andy McCarthy came to Tancredo’s defense:

This is not a fringe. It’s a wave. It’s fine to disagree with Rep. Trancredo; it’s wrong to treat him like a lunatic when he is anything but.

More McCarthy:

[I]t’s not unreasonable for people to look at Bush’s immigration policies and worry that he is insufficiently alert to the internationalist pressures (what John Fonte calls “transnational progressivism”) vigorously challenging the traditional understanding of sovereignty on many fronts.

Fox’s Neil Cavuto recently said Tancredo “owns” the issue of immigration predicted that “if he were to run for president, he just might well be president.”

source - link from post above

'Bush doesn't think America should be an actual place'

Tancredo says president believes nation should be merely 'idea' without borders

PALM BEACH, Fla. – President Bush believes America should be more of an idea than an actual place, a Republican congressman told WND in an exclusive interview.

"People have to understand what we're talking about here. The president of the United States is an internationalist," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. "He is going to do what he can to create a place where the idea of America is just that – it's an idea. It's not an actual place defined by borders. I mean this is where this guy is really going."

Tancredo lashed out at the White House's lack of action in securing U.S. borders, and said efforts to merge the U.S. with both Mexico and Canada is not a fantasy.

"I know this is dramatic – or maybe somebody would say overly dramatic – but I'm telling you, that everything I see leads me to believe that this whole idea of the North American Union, it's not something that just is written about by right-wing fringe kooks. It is something in the head of the president of the United States, the president of Mexico, I think the prime minister of Canada buys into it. ...

"And they would just tell you, 'Well, sure, it's a natural thing. It's part of the great globalization ... of the economy.' They assume it's a natural, evolutionary event that's going to occur here. I hope they're wrong and I'm going to try my best to make sure they're wrong. But I'm telling you the tide is great. The tide is moving in their direction. We have to say that."

There's lots of people that have insinuated Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) is a nutjob (which he could be), but could you take into context what he talks about in the above links and compare that to something that's been in the works for a while now? www.spp.gov...

[edit on 11/27/2006 by Infoholic]

Idea...yeah. I know exactly what George Dubya's idea is:

"I want to be the president of everybody, whether they supported me or not." -George W. Bush

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Our Empire can't conquer the world through military power, but we can through economics and through culture and influence.

Emipre? Yes America is a very powerful an influential nation. However, I don't think Empire is the best word to discribe it. For starters, we aren't ruled by an Emperor!

Tim

[edit on 29-11-2006 by Ghost01]

I have come across (better late than never) some more saddening information. Coming from the Montana Senate Debate of 2006, Stan Jones (Libertarian Senate Candidate) had some very thoughtful things to say about the "North American Union".

What he has to say are very troublesome. What he has to say is very frightening. And even more so, what he has to say is very true.

Stan Jones discusses the future of America, in comparison to the European Union and how it was formed, with it's new Constitution and new currency. Guess what's going on here today. The United States is quickly following suit, and one day it will be upon us.

We must not let this happen.

Watch the 3 minute video here.

I applaud Stan Jones for standing up and voicing the truth of what's to come, knowing full well that there are so many sheeple to are to vote against him.

You as americans dont want to lose your sovereignty, and we as Canadians don't want to share your debt, nor Mexico's for that matter. We're doing quite well for ourselves, we don't need that kind of financial burden on us.

So we're agreed. The NAU cannot become a reality.

If the NAU comes to be, you Americans wont be a single soverign nation, you will have Canada and Mexico making your decisions for you aswell as your own government. You will have to re-learn how your government works, as the Union would require a parlimentary government as Canada currently has.
On the upside, you Americans get to share in Canada's prosperity and our extreme abundance of resources.

We as Canadians also lose our soverignty, but, seeing as we've been battling with ourselves on wether or not the french leave or stay, we won't care so much about that as we will about the national debt. Which is something we've been doing pretty well with... especially when compared to how much the United States owes the world... have you seen those numbers?! Thats ludicrous what your war machine has costed you.
We as Canadians believe heavily in peace and staying the f*** out of other countries buisness. We perform peace keeping, supply, and rescue missions only, we have no desire to become the worlds police, nor enter any wars, we got out of the world wars, and that was the end of it for us. Never again.

I'm not sure what implications this has for Mexico, other than opening the borders to create a larger workforce.

President Bush believes America should be more of an idea than an actual place...

Well, that's good for him. Maybe he'll move out of the country to a "real" place then.

At least many U. S. citizens would be pretty happy about that.

Oh, I don't know - I think the idea has some merit.

Continuing the territorial imperative like animals is kinda counter to the idea of the human race as a whole, and I'm sure our economics will balance out after a time...

Borders are kinda silly for a forward thinking populace...I mean personal barriers and what not are essential - but International ones are a bit outdated.

*two cents*

I'm shocked at the ignorance that you have displayed in your comments, johnsky, mechanic 32, and general eyes. It's not about who's better, who's got the lower national debt, or about who wants the french or not...

When the North American Union takes place, it's not even about you no longer being a sovereign nation. It's about you loosing your freedom. You completely miss the point that the leader(s) we all have *to our own*, will actually be shared. So, if you disapprove of our leaders and their abilities, our national debt or the war machine, or Mexico's low living standards... just keep one thing in mind.

You will no longer be *free* period. Hell, I'm willing to bet you wouldn't have a problem using your tax dollars to fund Mexico, right now, would you? If you would have a problem with that, then you need to research this bill.

My point through disagreeing with the N.A.U. is the loss of my freedoms. I have no quarrel with Mexico nor with Canada. I myself am a "leave it alone and stay the F**** out of it" kind of person too, as you eloquently put it.

All I ask or suggest, is don't lose focus of your rights. Regardless of who you are and what nation you live in.

[edit on 12/21/2006 by Infoholic]

Originally posted by Infoholic
All I ask or suggest, is don't lose focus of your rights. Regardless of who you are and what nation you live in.

[edit on 12/21/2006 by Infoholic]

Amen to that!!

It's just sad to me that more people don't see the world like this; the way it really is.

TheBorg

Originally posted by Infoholic
My point through disagreeing with the N.A.U. is the loss of my freedoms. I have no quarrel with Mexico nor with Canada. I myself am a "leave it alone and stay the F**** out of it" kind of person too, as you eloquently put it.

All I ask or suggest, is don't lose focus of your rights. Regardless of who you are and what nation you live in.

[edit on 12/21/2006 by Infoholic]

Infoholic, I apologize in advance for asking because you have already provided links. I'm having trouble connecting how the formation of N.A.U. will ignite a loss of my freedom. This presupposes that it's even possible to unite the continent beyond an econominc agreement.

I'd also like to know if you believe a country like Germany has already given up its national soverneity as a memeber of the EU.

The America everyone loved and enjoyed died january 2000.

If you thnk America still exists, try looking over your bill of rights and consitution, and see how the fundamental beliefs that make america, are now gone.

"Dude where's my country" by micheal moore..

Originally posted by reaper2

"Dude where's my country" by micheal moore..

Tis a very good book!

Hasn't America always been an idea?

Milk and cookies....moms apple pie...limiltless freedoms, pleading the fifth...Hollywood starlets with pefect smiles and fake boobs...limitless food supplies...everything "bigger"...

People have been in love with the idea of America since its founding, and its only recently that the bubble got burst - oddly by the man who wants to spread the "idea"

As an English person, I had no problems with the US up until GWB got elected. Sure, I was aware of the US foreign policy, and its many hypocrises but still, it wasn't in my face and mainly you could say that the US was fighting for "noble" causes. Oddly, from my perspective Clinton lived the American dream - getting blown in the Whitehouse by a younger woman has to be the ultimate Presidential cliche of all time and yet you lot had him impeached.

The current Bush just comes across as seedy, stupid, arrogant and dumb. His foreign policy is based on blatant lies and he's been surrounded by people that make an outside observers skin crawl. Instead of doing what other US administrations have more or less succeeded in by keeping the lid on most of the background hypocrisy, Bushco has just done it all in the shop window, said "FU", stuck two fingers up at the world and expects to get away with it. Corporate America, war for oil, reduction of freedoms, blatant lies.

Bush is the man who took the sympathy of the world after 9/11 and turned it into distrust and dislike.

And yeah - I know - its always been that way, but the gloss has come off now. The woodworks been exposed and its rotten. It needs cutting out and replacing.

To quote David Bowie "this is not America" - at least not from this Englishmans point of view

[edit on 8/0107/07 by neformore]

[edit on 8/0107/07 by neformore]

I'm having trouble connecting how the formation of N.A.U. will ignite a loss of my freedom. This presupposes that it's even possible to unite the continent beyond an econominc agreement.

First, they are already trying to ``harmonize`` our laws between Mexico-USA-Canada. So a north american police state, in Canada it will be after the next elections if the liberals are in majority with the Bilderberg member, Stephane Dion, a globalist.

And the NAU will try to create another constitution, a very different one where every right will be given instead of being natural. The europeans rejected the european constitution, now Angela markel the bilderberger want to impose it without a vote.

I suggest that if they do destroy and merge our constitution, we do a north american meeting with a people's representative from each region and we do set OUR rights and freedoms, and we don't accept anything the government impose us. Just as the USA independance leaders did back then before the war against england.