So Whats The Deal With Aliens, Whats The Real Deal?

Aliens; I've read quite a bit about them, whether or not what I read was true or not, I have found it all to be very contradicting.



How so Lys?

Okay, allow me to break it down, I'll start with the greys, I've read that they are us from the future, then I've read they are android like creatures who serve reptilian masters. People have claimed to be in contact with them, some claim that they are here to help us while others claim they only have malevolent intent towards us. Do they come from Zeta Reticuli? Did our government make a pact with them? Are they responsible for the reported abductions, the cattle/human mutilations? Are they us from the future, or do they just claim that, also are they slaves to another civilization of aliens, or perhaps just organic robots?

That was a mouthful, and I know I didn't cover half of what I am thinking out loud. . .


You can see it here on the forum the contradictions of these alien accounts, different posters different claims


Then the other most famous imo are the Reptilians. Are they a supreme race of aliens in the universe? I've heard all sorts of stories about them, ranging from they have created a false reality on earth, to they need earth and the humans to help fight off another faction of reptilians. . .

Are they shape shifters? Do they exist?


People have claimed that the greys love us, and that love is the key, but contradictory to that others have claimed they are just slave to these reptilians and yet I have even read stories about them having no ties to any other civilization. . .

If there is reptilian aliens, what do you believe? 1 Type? 2 Warring Factions? or is it all total BS? Have they infiltrated our govts and bloodlines?



Where do the Nords fall in?


Are there aliens on the moon? Do aliens watch us constantly, have they watched us since man first came to be?

Did they have a hand in mankind becoming what is has become?

Does the NWO have anything to do with aliens?

Why haven't aliens made their presence publicly known?

What do you believe, or what is plausible?











[edit on 19-11-2006 by Lysergic]

The reptilians are real, and they are the most powerfull alien race we know of. The greys have made a contract with them to be here on earth doing DNA experimenting with humans. The reptilians will soon screw the greys over seens the reptilians are only interested in there own dominance, they lie a lot, so do the greys.

There are aliens on the moon, and there are aliens on mars aswell, a lot have been lied to us, NASA covers up everything that can be alien, no matter how clear it can be.

I think you will have interest in this website www.truthism.com...

And keep an open mind, may the Light be with you!

[edit on 19-11-2006 by InSaneTK]

[edit on 19-11-2006 by InSaneTK]

Originally posted by InSaneTK
I think you will have interest in this website www.truthism.com...

Hey man i am openminded but dont you think that site is a bit far fetched?
A few lines from the site.

Nothing in the universe is infinite. The False Realm is a finite realm.
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Nothing in the universe is pure. The False Realm is a contaminated realm.
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With the Reptilians in control, it is foolish to think that world peace or stability is actually attainable. "The Anunnaki run a war economy, and real peace is never considered by them. They waste resources to keep people enslaved. They usurp all surpluses for their own gratification" (Amitakh Stanford, "The Anunnaki Remnants Are Still on Earth").

I mean i can go with the dulce story but i dont know what to think about this.
Other opinions about the site given in this particular topic?

I'm sorry, but all of you who are claiming this and that about aliens to be taken as truth don't really know anything, at all. You may have heard something from one source and then another from someone else, and then you take all that info to make up your own conclusion. You do this while completely forgetting that maybe what you've been told is a lie, and most of the time it is just that.

Who started talking about reptilians to begin with? And what made him such a trustworthy source? Did the person or group of persons provide any tangible evidence? I mean c'mon, this thing is turning out to be much like religion whereby you need no evidence, only belief.

I personally have read a great deal on the subject matter of alien beings, but I have never ever seen one piece of tangible evidence for their existence. Yes, there are many great stories from many respected individuals, but that's not enough to convince a majority, only those that are dying for a new alien story to believe in and sew into their own beliefs as a sort of evidence.

Why the government is so secretive on this subject, I don't know. I do, however, know that it doesn't have to aliens for their reasoning of secrecy.

You asked, what is the real deal?

All I know is what is real for me. I will speak to you heart to heart about this.

All I know is from personal experiences and reading things that confirm what I've experienced myself. All I know about is from what someone else has told me that is family. All I know is what information I suddenly get in dream states and waking states and from alternative states that I go naturally into without drugs/alcohol whatsoever. All I know is from spontaneous channeling that is given to me by my husband.
All I know is I have had marks on my body that shouldn't have been there. I've had information that was incredible. I've had Strangers shaking my hand seeming to know me and talking to me then disappearing... very odd things like that. And of course, the ships seen in full daylight with witnesses.

I feel my very mind is in union with some others and I seek a greater knowing of that union. The pain of not being in full union has been life-long. The depression of not feeling complete has been excruciating. This human closed society has caused a coldness upon my soul. I can't let the idea of these beings left alone. I am growing in addiction to their consciousness. I need to feel them.

Now, things are lighting up. Things are changing. I am finally coming to a greater knowing and understanding. I feel a peace and yet I get frustrated by the disinfo agents and their work. But, why should I? Because what they are doing to confuse this subject is their karma. Will they be able to hold the reality or will internal confusion take their minds as they have done to others? Yes, Karma is Cosmic. I know that and have seen it in action. The groups I am close to know this and live by this understanding of Cosmic Karma and the Consciousness of the One.

I don't think that the military type of non-humans or Reptilians are the greatest. Not in a long shot. There are kinds of beings that are far greater and they are not to be messed with because they are not mortal like humans think they are.

I do think a war of sorts has been going on unseen and it is ending in the inevitable conclusion. Higher technology is not available to those out of the love vibrations. We are children in development.

I am in awe of and in love with my Star Family. I would like to live life in a higher level of vibration of peace and goodness and service to the Consciousness of the One.

For you to know what is real in this topic should start with this simple question. Why do you want to know? Because often the need to search for the answers has an answer in that need.

I wish you good luck on your journey for "YOUR TRUTH".

blessings,
the theremin

Forgive my ignorance, but what is a star family?


I read that entire website, I dunno what to think about that, I mean normally my mind would be like pffft what a load of BS.


Seems like an adaptation of The Matrix mixed in with icke-esque belief.


According to truthism.com there are two types of reptilians, Reptilian and Vulturites, and they have a device called the atu-waa which is used to restart time?


a bit far fetched imo.


I wonder why greys are the most commonly reported, Don't hear too much about reptoids unless it was on david icke's site.


and what was up with there is a secret word they use to start the time device, also that site claims if they don't restart it by 2008 the universe will start to die.

Originally posted by Impreza
I personally have read a great deal on the subject matter of alien beings, but I have never ever seen one piece of tangible evidence for their existence.

You must’ve skip reading about the Betty Hill star map. Go ahead prove it wrong…

I consider it valid tangible evidence, don’t you? (seriously, check it out)


[edit on 21/11/06 by ConspiracyNut23]

yep the betty hill star map is a strange one.. again pointing towards knowledge of an alien race.. This star map was drawn long before astronomers actually found the area..

I firmly believe there are other races out there, be it grays, reptilians or whatever.

Im becoming increasingly interested in the moon pics even more so after watching "ufo, greatest story ever denied".. Just what exactly is on the moon we ask?? someone got there before us and we got the hell outta there fast and never went back (if we actually went there in the first place)..

Leads me to think, what will happen when virgin galactic start public space flights?? How will the government control what we see then? Will they offer flybys of the moon??

We have the ability now to see ufo's in infra red / nightvision that cant be seen with the human eye. If our scientists have announced they can make invisible fabrics i.e jackets etc to be used by soldiers in warzones (fabric that bends the light all around, hence making the wearer invisible), then ill guarantee you guys that weve already been using this technology for many many years at the highest levels of the military and no doubt at the skunkworks.

I have probably read close on 30 ufo books and seen most documentries and im always on the lookout for new information on the subject. If one of those suckers landed in front of me, id be up that ramp like a ferrett up a drainpipe !

With sites like ATS we can share knowledge until we find the truth. Knowledge is Power!!!

Keep posting your finds folks..

Seems to me there are several races of EBEs, with several Real Deals. Just unfortunate I cannot add a factual opinion on the real deal without it being speculation.

There seems to be more report consistency in Greys, Tall Greys, Tall Whites (Nordic Type?) and Reptilians. Though I suspect there are many-more just by the varying types of reported craft eg Saucer, Rectangular and round bizarre looking structures. Tubular or cigar shaped and some of the ones seen and taped in Mexico in the last five years are beyond description. Some spin, some don't. Some have a haze at the bottom, others don't. Some (a lot) have three protuberances on the bottom, others don't. Some round, some square or rectangle, etc..

Something recently mentioned was the lack of Mexican reports of abductions. Compared to mega-abduction reports next door in the US. I'm not saying no abductions reported in Mexico, but slim to none. Geographically speaking, that's astounding news if true. But it tells me as different shaped craft reported in each Country there may be different EBE races in different parts of the world or perhaps different Countries. This sort of thing is something of interest. But it's speculation not proven fact -- yet.

Dallas

[edit on 21-11-2006 by SwingingMonkey]

As a ufologist of many years, I'd like to address this...

I'll start with the greys, I've read that they are us from the future, then I've read they are android like creatures who serve reptilian masters. People have claimed to be in contact with them, some claim that they are here to help us while others claim they only have malevolent intent towards us. Do they come from Zeta Reticuli?

No, they are not from the future. If they were from the future then they would have stopped the Manhattan Project. Many abductees have relayed the Zetan concern about the development of atomic weapons. Their method of operation - as with any empire - is to take what they want without asking permission. So it is a logical conclusion that they would have stopped the development of nuclear weapons in recent decades if they had the power to do so.

By definition, they are not android biologically but they are stoic and mechanistic in focus.

Yes, they serve the Zetan-Reptilians and also the Zetan-Preying Mantises.

Yes, they come from Zeta IV in the Zeta 2 Reticuli System. This is corroborated by Retired Army Sgt. Clifford Stone and by Bob Lazar, among others, who claim to have seen briefing documents about them when working for the US government. But one must also keep in mind that they have many military bases in the Milky Way - not just in the Sol System - as they have been exploring space for hundreds of thousands of years.

Then the other most famous imo are the Reptilians. Are they a supreme race of aliens in the universe? I've heard all sorts of stories about them, ranging from they have created a false reality on earth, to they need earth and the humans to help fight off another faction of reptilians. . .

Are they shape shifters? Do they exist?

Yes, they exist.

No, they cannot shape-shift and no, world leaders are not Reptilian.

No, they have not created a "false reality" on Earth.

I have not seen any evidence that there is another faction of opposing Reptilians. That's a nice thought though.

No, they are not a supreme race of aliens.

People have claimed that the greys love us, and that love is the key, but contradictory to that others have claimed they are just slave to these reptilians and yet I have even read stories about them having no ties to any other civilization. . .

If there is reptilian aliens, what do you believe? 1 Type? 2 Warring Factions? or is it all total BS? Have they infiltrated our govts and bloodlines?

The Greys do not love us. They harvest this planet and peoples selfishly in service to The Zetan Empire.

Have they infiltrated our government?

That is a matter of degree, as there is evidence of governmental collusion with the Zetan-Greys in exchange for advanced technology.

Love is definitely the key. But not the key to them. The key to something much greater.

Where do the Nords fall in?

The Nordics are genetically engineered Homo sapiens who also serve the empire. They have been reported by abductees to guard the weaker Greys - like the four-foot tall variety - from their Homo sapien (Terran) prisoners.

Are there aliens on the moon?

Yes - specifically, in the Moon.

According to a member of The Disclosure Project, they have a large underground base there.

Some feel that the Moon itself was artificially constructed by them. I'm not sure about that.

I don't agree with John Lear that there is a soul tower on the far side of the Moon. The aliens have no supernatural or godlike abilities, just a very successful propaganda campaign.

Do aliens watch us constantly, have they watched us since man first came to be?

Only since their visitation and genetic tampering hundreds of thousands of years ago. They were not here when the first hominids walked the planet.

Did they have a hand in mankind becoming what is has become?

According to Zecharia Sitchin's archeological findings, the testimony of governmental insiders like Bob Lazar, as well as the testimony of people like Linda Moulton Howe who were shown one or more top-secret documents on extraterrestrials - yes.

Does the NWO have anything to do with aliens?

Directly...no

Indirectly...yes.

Why haven't aliens made their presence publicly known?

Because in order for their subtle subjugation to continue on successfully, they need to act covertly.

[edit on 21-11-2006 by Paul_Richard]

Phew!
Above this posting, are lot of information exists,
but is it true?
I know there are lots of people out there who go
through harrowing events, whether in reality or their
heads, but still... no evidence exists.

The Goverments of every country may be 'in on it'
No crash debris, no implants that can be guaranteed
to be a structure of unknown metals. No body has
surfaced where the evidence is in the hands of
hopeful truth-seekers.

Huge underground dwellings with stews of human parts,
strange in-bred beings, men-in-black.
Aliens visiting humans in their bedrooms and performing
odd acts, carrying generations of folk off into their ships and
having the females nurse hybrid children.

No instruments from the craft, no skin or DNA samples,
no alien body and all the time, the Goverments is in on it.
But we know heh?

A fabric of confusion that can leave most exhausted and
doubtful.
I know this may annoy some, but if you've never seen a
flying vehicle that's certain to of come from another galaxy
or thin grey, large-eyed being putting something in your butt,
then it can leave some a little sceptical.

Actually, there is a lot of evidence that exists. I remember seeing a documentary of a man, an abductee, who had the implant in his leg surgically removed and analyzed in an independent laboratory. It was concluded that the implant consisted of a metallic alloy that was not from this world.

Then there are those poor abductees who have implants in their skulls and when these are attempted to be surgically removed, the implants actually dig deeper. These highly computerized implants are the most dangerous versions.

Additionally, experiential evidence abounds. There are thousands, if not millions of abductees out there and they are getting more and more well-known on the Internet, in places like ATS. This being a source of frustration among those in the know who wish the alien issue to be kept under wraps.

As far as in your face, hard-core evidence, like parading around a dozen Zetan-Greys in a chain gang on live, international television, no, that will not happen. Those who pursue evidence of that nature face premature death from the aliens as well as from covert facets of the government.

But neither the government or the aliens themselves can stop people from communicating, analyzing, and extrapolating. That alone has led to some rather astonishing revelations for those who look at the situation objectively

[edit on 21-11-2006 by Paul_Richard]

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Actually, there is a lot of evidence that exists. I remember seeing a documentary of a man, an abductee, who had the implant in his leg surgically removed and analyzed in an independent laboratory. It was concluded that the implant consisted of a metallic alloy that was not from this world.

Then there are those poor abductees who have implants in their skulls and when these are attempted to be surgically removed, the implants actually dig deeper. These highly computerized implants are the most dangerous versions.

Additionally, experiential evidence abounds. There are thousands, if not millions of abductees out there and they are getting more and more well-known on the Internet, in places like ATS. This being a source of frustration among those in the know who wish the alien issue to be kept under wraps.

As far as in your face, hard-core evidence, like parading around a dozen Zetan-Greys in a chain gang on live, international television, no, that will not happen. Those who pursue evidence of that nature face premature death from the aliens as well as from covert facets of the government.

But neither the government or the aliens themselves can stop people from communicating, analyzing, and extrapolating. That alone has led to some rather astonishing revelations for those who look at the situation objectively

[edit on 21-11-2006 by Paul_Richard]

I understand you when you say about TV programmes being seen as evidence,
but I've always been a little wary of that entertainment box in the corner.
I too hope that more revealing evidence comes to light than just meditation,
documentaries that leave one just as puzzled as before and
websites that make claims without proof.

Originally posted by Lysergic
and what was up with there is a secret word they use to start the time device, also that site claims if they don't restart it by 2008 the universe will start to die.

It is claimed that they cannot restart time using the device as it is innopperable. Right now there is supposedly an evacuation in affect. A far-fetched claim is that the Artic is melting because of Alien spaceships fleeing, (not all aliens). As for the universe falling apart, that is good. That is when Darkness' rules and boundrys and 'illusions of perception' are dwindled.

IronMan,

Well...there is certainly nothing like direct experience - which I am not entirely without.

To walk on the wild side and live dangerously is a path that most wish to avoid.

What was that quote?

Fools go where angels fear to tread.

We're talking about some pretty cowardly angels!

As far as documentaries are concerned, these are hard to beat...

Bob Lazar Documentary

and

UFO's: Above & Beyond



[edit on 21-11-2006 by Paul_Richard]

I know of Bob Lazar and I've seen the other documentary,
but what I'm saying is why haven't the media (apart from Knapp)
picked up on Bob?
I mean he worked at Area 51 on back-engineering saucers and
he must have evidence that proves this that's not just oral.
The tabloids and broadsheets all around the world would want
to reveal the truth (I work for one and I can assure you there
isn't a policy of sucking up to the Goverment).

Did the powers-that-be get rid of all the proof that he worked
there? Again no instruments or any physical evidence obtained.

So all we're left with his his testimony and a vague explanation
of the vehicles mode of travel.
I'm certainly not doubting your experiences Paul_Richard, but
is it always gonna be that 'this mysteriously vanished from my
possesion' or 'a man from the Goverment came and demanded
the pictures and strange foil'

The implants are still dubious claims, even though I don't doubt
that people have had some object removed from their body.
It just seems like a good story that draws the curious to it.

The real truth is......Earth, being 70 covered by water, is mistaken by alien races as a sort of intergalactic car wash. The come down and expect us to run out and wash thier space vehicles. When we dont, they get all pissy and abduct a few of the less mentally stable among us to teach us a lesson.

Hi IronMan,

Originally posted by IronMan
I know of Bob Lazar and I've seen the other documentary,
but what I'm saying is why haven't the media (apart from Knapp)
picked up on Bob?

Bob Lazar is a highly controversial figure. People of that nature have lots of enemies.

Hey...I do.

Regardless, he has been interviewed in a number of UFO documentaries, in addition to producing his own.

Why doesn't the media promote The Disclosure Project?

Any persons or persons who espouse that there is an extraterrestrial presence will not be popular in most media circles.

That is slowly changing as more people become aware of the situation.

Originally posted by IronMan
I mean he worked at Area 51 on back-engineering saucers and
he must have evidence that proves this that's not just oral.
The tabloids and broadsheets all around the world would want
to reveal the truth (I work for one and I can assure you there
isn't a policy of sucking up to the Goverment).

Actually, he worked to reverse-engineer acquired Zetan spacecraft at the S4 facility - which is near Area 51.

You have to understand that when there is significant physical evidence to provide to the general public that PROVES that aliens exist, one faces SEVERE governmental retaliation. (Assuming of course one manages to get away from the aliens.) Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal, was MURDERED when he let it slip out that he intended to publicly disclose what the government knew about extraterrestrials - and that was decades ago

Bob Lazar allows the hint in his documentary that he has acquired a small amount of Element 115 - a key component in the 100% efficient antimatter reactors which power Zetan spacecraft and probes - but he doesn't go into details.

I think Bob likes to go on living.

Sad to say, but we actually live in a federal police state.

Originally posted by IronMan
Did the powers-that-be get rid of all the proof that he worked
there? Again no instruments or any physical evidence obtained.

They did cover-up evidence of his college degrees but couldn't completely cover-up the paperwork (tax statements and telephone directories) which proved that he worked for the Department of Naval Intelligence. There was no need to move the spacecraft from S4 since it is virtually impossible for the common citizen to get near the place. But they may have moved them anyway as a prudent gesture in security.

Originally posted by IronMan
So all we're left with his his testimony and a vague explanation
of the vehicles mode of travel.

He explains it quite clearly in his documentary.

Check it out.

Originally posted by IronMan
I'm certainly not doubting your experiences Paul_Richard, but
is it always gonna be that 'this mysteriously vanished from my
possesion' or 'a man from the Goverment came and demanded
the pictures and strange foil'.

The implants are still dubious claims, even though I don't doubt
that people have had some object removed from their body.
It just seems like a good story that draws the curious to it.

A bigger red flag than the implants is the emotional trauma experienced by many people who have been abducted. I have unofficially counseled a number of them. Their psychological scars alone are evidence enough for me.

Be grateful you don't have an implant or post-traumatic stress disorder which many abductees have, or are silenced in a federal penitentiary from your public disclosure about extraterrestrials.