Plutonium Found in Iran Waste Facility

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I thought Iran wanted nuclear power for 'peaceful' purposes?!?

International Atomic Energy experts have found unexplained plutonium and enriched uranium traces in a nuclear waste facility in Iran and have asked Tehran for an explanation, an IAEA report said Tuesday.

Come on Iranian defenders.........who are you going to blame this on?

I don't care if they have nuclear weapons. Israël have them and Pakistan have them and they need them to protect against foreign invasion. What's the matter.

It's also old news. I already saw that... And let's not forget Halliburton gave nuclear material to Iran until 2002, USA creates threats to make money in weapons. You know the corporatism is running the USA, not the people.

[edit on 14-11-2006 by Vitchilo]

Seriously, is this the least bit surprising? Now, all the folks that blame America for acting can now blame us for not acting. Iran will develope nucs and use them the first chance they get.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
I don't care if they have nuclear weapons. Israël have them and Pakistan have them and they need them to protect against foreign invasion. What's the matter.

It's also old news. I already saw that... And let's not forget Halliburton gave nuclear material to Iran until 2002, USA creates threats to make money in weapons. You know the corporatism is running the USA, not the people.

[edit on 14-11-2006 by Vitchilo]

Well I do care nuclear weapons in the hands of mad mans like those people there in Iran's leadership, the ayatola's and the president of Iran.

The president of Iran is pure evil, he is more evil then 1000 g.w. bush's and even adolf hitler is a boyscout in comparison with this pain in the **** .

I life in Europe and I know if the bombs are going to be launched the high priority targets are Israel, UK , Danmark, and The Netherlands.
And I life in The netherlands and as a person who says there is no god I am a target because the islam says that people who don't believe must be
1. tried to be converted to Islam
2. If the above is not possible they must be killed.

The islam looks just like Origin from the ori (stargate sg1 season 10)
and must be dealt with.

We have great problems with islam in Europe and starting a debate about it will get you killed are being treathend.
Theo van Gogh killed
hirsi ali , moved to the USA
Geert wilders, stil being treathend.
and every body who is with a party who wants to get this under attention
like the ducht party PVV ( geert wilders )
are being harest and being attacked.

Iran can have nuclear weapons LEGALLY...they only need to withdraw from the NPT like North Korea did.

You feel that there should be no laws what-so-ever in the world? That it should be 'the strong survive and the weak perish'?

C'mon now. EVERYONE know that Iran is only interested in the peaceful development of it's nuclear industry.

I'm sure that plutonium is probably planted there. I mean how in the world would Iran have highly enriched uranium and plutonium in it's waste facilities? Just look the other way at the underground facilities, the formerly hidden undeclared facilities, the procurement of nuclear warhead designs. Just keep moving along, nothing to see here.

Still, it will take Iran many, many many years to amass even a fraction of the nuclear weapons storehoused by the US and other Western nations --- not to mention the delivery systems. If Iran is truly stupid enough to use nukes or make a credible threat to use them, God help them all. Even a small number of the submarine launched nukes sitting in the waters around the Middle East will make Iran a footnote in world history.

Originally posted by jtma508
Still, it will take Iran many, many many years to amass even a fraction of the nuclear weapons storehoused by the US and other Western nations --- not to mention the delivery systems.

Even one nuclear weapon in the hands of the current government of Iran would be a very destablizing act on that region of the world. Especiallly since they doth proclaim that they are not trying to develop nuclear weapons. How will history judge this period of time?

Iran is not being transparent in it atomic aspirations and may very well be developing the the supplies and means to assemble a nuclear weapon as we debate what to do. The IAEA can not rule out military aspects of Irans nuclear program, how can we?

first of all great source real reliable

sar off

what kind of topic is this?
your opening statement is come on Iran deffenders? what you dont like people speaking out against the US?

or defending irans rights as a soverign nation?

Iran 1000 x more deadly then Bush?
how many people have iran condemed to death in the last few years?
get your facts straight

I life in Europe and I know if the bombs are going to be launched the high priority targets are Israel, UK , Danmark, and The Netherlands.
And I life in The netherlands and as a person who says there is no god I am a target because the islam says that people who don't believe must be
1. tried to be converted to Islam
2. If the above is not possible they must be killed.

what kind of BS is this?
read the quran and i dont mean extracts from a right wing website

and why would Iran attack europe with nukes knowing fully well they would be destroyed?

the Islam? how can islam say anything its a faith we follow it
just like jewdisum,christianity people follow the faiths how they follow them is up to them. if they decide to they can take any extract from any holy book to fit their agenda not just islam

some people have too many wet dreams abouts wars and nuclear exchanges

Even one nuclear weapon in the hands of the current government of Iran would be a very destablizing act on that region of the world. Especiallly since they doth proclaim that they are not trying to develop nuclear weapons. How will history judge this period of time?

it would balance things out with israel who is known to have a stock pile of nukes in the region, stop them from taking their neigbours for granted (im talking about palistain and lebonen and so on)

I'm sure that plutonium is probably planted there. I mean how in the world would Iran have highly enriched uranium and plutonium in it's waste facilities? Just look the other way at the underground facilities, the formerly hidden undeclared facilities, the procurement of nuclear warhead designs. Just keep moving along, nothing to see here.

get samples from russia or china

It is not about whether Iran will launch nukes or not. Likely they won't. But as a nuclear power they will have a free hand in launching conventional strikes wherever they choose.

The danger is in an expansion-minded Iran, freed from the check that Iraq placed on their power, dominating the ME in any number of ways. So far, Iran has been clever enough to attack Israel by proxy, through Hezbollah. Once Iran has nukes you can expect to see an extremely well-funded Hezbollah attempt a coup in Lebanon and engage in more sophisticated attacks against Israel.

More nukes does not make for a "balance of power." It makes for increased chances of a nuclear arms race among all MEern nations. There can be no doubt that it is in everyone's best interests to limit the proliferation of nuclear arms as much as possible.

Originally posted by Shaktimaan
It is not about whether Iran will launch nukes or not. Likely they won't. But as a nuclear power they will have a free hand in launching conventional strikes wherever they choose.

as israel have shown and proven the way they can attack their neigbours without getting a slap on their rist.
a nuke will also mean countries like the US and israel would be more catous about threatening them with miliatry strikes.

Originally posted by Shaktimaan
The danger is in an expansion-minded Iran, freed from the check that Iraq placed on their power, dominating the ME in any number of ways. So far, Iran has been clever enough to attack Israel by proxy, through Hezbollah. Once Iran has nukes you can expect to see an extremely well-funded Hezbollah attempt a coup in Lebanon and engage in more sophisticated attacks against Israel.

i doubt it Lebanon is almost 50/50 christian and muslim nation
doubt anything would change with hazbullah (iran will still try and be arming them as normal) and a sophisticated attack against israel doubtfull

Originally posted by Shaktimaan
More nukes does not make for a "balance of power." It makes for increased chances of a nuclear arms race among all MEern nations. There can be no doubt that it is in everyone's best interests to limit the proliferation of nuclear arms as much as possible.

i agree with you. the middle east should be made a no nuke zone
but only if all countries including israel scrap what they have or plans for them.

you cant have one country bending the rules and makes the rest follow them

Originally posted by bodrul

it would balance things out with Israel who is known to have a stock pile of nukes in the region, stop them from taking their neighbors for granted (im talking about Palestine and Lebanon and so on)

The flaw in that logic is that Iran supposedly is not pursuing nuclear weapons, they have stated that many times. bodrul, are you saying that you believe in fact that Iran is lying about it's nuclear weapons ambitions? Tell me exactly what you mean by that statement.

get samples from Russia or china

Not following your train of though here. Are you implying that Iran received Plutonium and highly enriched Uranium from China or Russia? It was samples from Iran's own waste facilities that these things were found. It is highly unlikely that Iran, having secretly received Plutonium or highly enriched Uranium from Russia or China, would be so dumb as to have them found in their own waste facilities.

If it smells like fish .........

Originally posted by pavil
The flaw in that logic is that Iran supposedly is not pursuing nuclear weapons, they have stated that many times. bodrul, are you saying that you believe in fact that Iran is lying about it's nuclear weapons ambitions? Tell me exactly what you mean by that statement.

get samples from Russia or china

have you read the amount of topics with Iran is going for nukes and so on?
i didnt say iran have nukes or going for nukes nor did i state that.
i said iran has a right to nuclear weapons if it wants it (if u can quote me on where i said they are going for nukes i will retract my statement)

Originally posted by pavil
Not following your train of though here. Are you implying that Iran received Plutonium and highly enriched Uranium from China or Russia? It was samples from Iran's own waste facilities that these things were found. It is highly unlikely that Iran, having secretly received Plutonium or highly enriched Uranium from Russia or China, would be so dumb as to have them found in their own waste facilities.

If it smells like fish .........

a high chance they could have recieve it from chaina/russia/pak/ and so on.
a small amount of enriched Uranium which they tested on.
a small test doesnt indicate they are building a bomb

as israel have shown and proven the way they can attack their neigbours without getting a slap on their rist.

OK. But can you give me an example of Israel ever attacking without having been attacked or severely threatened first?

i doubt it Lebanon is almost 50/50 christian and muslim nation

Have you read much of Lebanon's history. I think it is extremely likely, and I am not alone in that analysis.

and a sophisticated attack against israel doubtfull

But it has already happened. The missiles Hezbollah used to launch were relatively simple Katyusha attacks. In the past summer's conflict they attacked the INS Hanit, an Israeli missile boat with a radar guided C-802 anti-ship missile. Hitting a ship many kilometers off the coast is pretty sophisticated.

The also fired a Fajr-3 and a Ra'ad 1 at Israel, both liquid-fuel missiles developed by Iran. This is not standard terrorist type stuff. It is extremely sophisticated weaponry that could only be developed by a wealthy nation who invested a lot of time into weapons research. It's as if the IRA shot a tomahawk cruise missile at London or something, it is absurd that they have this stuff. These levels of weaponry will be used more and more by Hezbollah.

you cant have one country bending the rules and makes the rest follow them

No one is bending the rules, that's my point! If anything, we are enforcing the rules equally. Israel is not a signatory to the NPL. Iran is. That means Iran gets certain perks closed to Israel. We have an obligation to enforce treaties equally. You are saying that Israel should be subject to the restrictions of the NPR but not the benefits. You can't do that.

Israel has the right to self-determination. It is one of the chief rights guaranteed nations in the UN's charter. Rather than demanding even enforcement of the rules you are suggesting violating one of the fundamental pillars of International Law. In fact, you are advocating No Laws. Just anarchy where the strongest nation decides what treaties are applicable to what nations, regardless of what they do. That's not how its done. We only hold countries to agreements that they have AGREED to. That is why they are called agreements.

Besides, no one knows whether or not Israel has nukes, which is a good thing. As long as there is ambiguity as to their true strength other nations will be less likely to attack them in a manner that truly threatens their existence. The ambiguity helps foster peace, not war. And if you think Iran would stop pursuing nukes if it learned that Israel was not a nuclear power then I believe you would learn a surprising lesson. A non-nuclear Israel would encourage Iran to get nukes rather than discourage them. As the only Middle eastern nuclear power they would have a free hand.

Originally posted by Shaktimaan
OK. But can you give me an example of Israel ever attacking without having been attacked or severely threatened first?

israel arab war Israel struck first
also on almost all ceasfires israel has been responsible for ending them with their target killings

Originally posted by Shaktimaan
Have you read much of Lebanon's history. I think it is extremely likely, and I am not alone in that analysis.

i doubt you are alone. there are over six billion people on this planet so its very likely others will share that prospective.

Originally posted by Shaktimaan
But it has already happened. The missiles Hezbollah used to launch were relatively simple Katyusha attacks. In the past summer's conflict they attacked the INS Hanit, an Israeli missile boat with a radar guided C-802 anti-ship missile. Hitting a ship many kilometers off the coast is pretty sophisticated.

one missile strike,
you really think hazbullah will have the capibility to launch an entire sophisticated strike against israel?
even so iran are arming them with missiles, they wont have enough

Originally posted by Shaktimaan
No one is bending the rules, that's my point! If anything, we are enforcing the rules equally. Israel is not a signatory to the NPL. Iran is. That means Iran gets certain perks closed to Israel. We have an obligation to enforce treaties equally. You are saying that Israel should be subject to the restrictions of the NPR but not the benefits. You can't do that.

Israel has the right to self-determination. It is one of the chief rights guaranteed nations in the UN's charter. Rather than demanding even enforcement of the rules you are suggesting violating one of the fundamental pillars of International Law. In fact, you are advocating No Laws. Just anarchy where the strongest nation decides what treaties are applicable to what nations, regardless of what they do. That's not how its done. We only hold countries to agreements that they have AGREED to. That is why they are called agreements.

Besides, no one knows whether or not Israel has nukes, which is a good thing. As long as there is ambiguity as to their true strength other nations will be less likely to attack them in a manner that truly threatens their existence. The ambiguity helps foster peace, not war. And if you think Iran would stop pursuing nukes if it learned that Israel was not a nuclear power then I believe you would learn a surprising lesson. A non-nuclear Israel would encourage Iran to get nukes rather than discourage them. As the only Middle eastern nuclear power they would have a free hand.

if israel dont have nukes then they shouldnt be worried about checks on their nuclear reactors?
like Iran has agreed to even with live video feed

part i highlighted
israel has shown that countless times when it attacks lebonene and palistaines and kills hundreds of suvilians without a slap on their rist. since they have the backing of the US and US tax payers they know they can get away with anything.
those who have power can do what they want.

second part i highlighted
threaten their exsistance last time i checked with their group punishment and mass killings (one month over 300 palistians killed) over 170 women and children.

they have used the same BS for decades to get their own way that they are fighting for their right to exsistance. now what kind of right is that if the only way they can achieve that is by demolsihing thousends of homes and killing thousends every year and making millions homeless and into refugees.

also its only speculation Iran is going after nukes no facts but speculations from the US.

also violating the piller of international laws?
one question to that if a perminate security member like the united states can say f the UN we can do what we want and vetoing everything that condems israels acts aginst cuvilians why should Iran follow the rules?


thrid part bold
i wouldnt agree there. iran have been open with their nuclear program and have followed the rules. under the NP countries are allowed to enrich their own uranium and so on.

and i ask you to provide proof Iran is after nukes (to many topics yet no one has provided evidence Iran is going after nukes)
as i said if some countries cant follow the rules why should others?



[edit on 17-11-2006 by bodrul]

israel arab war Israel struck first

Um. No they didn't. Check wikipedia under Arab-Israeli Conflict. (edited)

The day after the state of Israel was proclaimed, the British rule over Palestine ended, and six League members, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Transjordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, supported by other members (notably Yemen), coordinated the attack on the State of Israel in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and explicitly stated the destruction of the newly-formed Jewish state, and its replacement by a democracy, as their goal. On May 15, 1948, the Arab League Secretary General Abdul Razek Azzam Pasha announced the intention to wage "a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." [4]

also on almost all ceasfires israel has been responsible for ending them with their target killings

OK, give me an example or two. You didn't do so well with that last one. I'm sure you'll understand my skepticism.

[edit on 17-11-2006 by Shaktimaan]

Stay on topic please. This thread is about Iran with traces of unknown plutonium being found not a 'Israel/ME' thread.