If ET was Evil....What difference would it make?

Prote, you ask a simple question yet in your own mind you have already fed way too much thought into it. This surprises me as it concerns you.

You make it known that hiding is a determining factor in your premise and yes, hiding can take place physically or mentally. It is strange how people often say that they pull the covers over their head when frightened. Somehow they feel just a bit safer that way. Imagine that, a thin layer of material is the difference between a scary situation and all out terror. I suppose you could just close your eyes but that wouldn’t do. Looking at the inside of your blanket is somehow much safer than closed eyes.

Does it matter if we fear? It may depending on the circumstances involved. A subjector has a definite advantage over his fearful victim. When he knows he does not hold that power he aborts to a weaker mark. Now, are we all weak marks when confronting an unknown force such as an Alien? I would say yes for the most part. Is this bad? I say not necessarily. Fear is quite a helper when trying to avoid trouble. Hence the autopilot fight or flight reaction in such a situation.

Should we care if Aliens are good or bad? Does it really matter when we all have those proverbial blankets pulled up over our heads when facing our daily conventional stress? I think the determining factors are reaction and action. If we don’t care then we don’t react. If there is no reaction there can be no action taken. If we deny existence then we no longer have a need to care. So then, as society operates in its current capacity there seems to be no need to care. Is this a good thing? Probably not but it does keep the peace as well as the sanity.

Looking back at my response I would say that I’m more confused than when I started.

Maybe Subway can help!

Hello jb..

Originally posted by jbondo
Prote, you ask a simple question yet in your own mind you have already fed way too much thought into it. This surprises me as it concerns you.

I am surprised that you are surprised that I put too much thought into something.

You make it known that hiding is a determining factor in your premise and yes, hiding can take place physically or mentally. It is strange how people often say that they pull the covers over their head when frightened. Somehow they feel just a bit safer that way. Imagine that, a thin layer of material is the difference between a scary situation and all out terror. I suppose you could just close your eyes but that wouldn’t do. Looking at the inside of your blanket is somehow much safer than closed eyes.

This is true and to me, it is one of the most ridiculous things I ever heard of. This is a child's response as far as I am concerned (to hide like this). Any adult doing this has serious issues they need to address.

The point is that on the internet, there is a myriad of conflicting information and opinion on virtually every subject and when following our individual paths, fear is something I need to understand more because I am standing on the edge of a precipice, and I want to dive off into the unknown.

A fear of leaving loved ones on Earth to fend for themselves is holding me back, clearly I need more time to learn about fear and it's manifestations and be sure that I can come back from whatever potential horrors I may come into contact with. I am prepared to leave this Earth life if necessary (suicide not an option of course) and not while I have responsibility to others on Earth. That would be selfish. So I'm being careful, knowing I may meet serious dangers and challenges. I would be naive otherwise.

Does it matter if we fear?

I believe it does. I believe it makes all the difference. Here's food for thought. You and I have spoken on u2u about judgement. You know how I try to view things from the factual to the downright bizarre.

If you are practised at not making judgements, how can you make the decision to be fearful?

My latest meditation is all about not forcing anything, just be. For example, listen to sounds or focus on your breath. You do not have to think about anything, you do not have to identify anything, you do not have to label anything, you do not have to do anything to hear the sound or breathe, you just be aware of it, you simply just be. Real basic stuff though.

If you master this when confronted with what may appear to be the Devil, you will find that fear is overcome and the experience perceived turns from one extreme to the other. You don't have to judge that entity to be the Devil, you don't have to label anything, just be. Observe and feel, learn. But I now know that this is not easy to achieve, a persons fear will be a natural reaction but we can learn not to be fearful.

I am trying to learn.

Now, are we all weak marks when confronting an unknown force such as an Alien? I would say yes for the most part.

I agree.

Is this bad? I say not necessarily.

I say not good or bad. Perceived. That's why it doesn't make any difference. People who simply don't know are making judgements and helping the cabal to keep the world asleep.

Fear is quite a helper when trying to avoid trouble. Hence the autopilot fight or flight reaction in such a situation.

Yes. Although I believe these instincts to be outdated to some extent. We do not physically advance as fast as we are spiritually. This is a whole other theory I have which I will leave for another time but it's interesting you mention fight or flight. I won't write it here because I think I may be alone in some of these theories.

Should we care if Aliens are good or bad?

That's sorta my question. I notice you use the word "care". Interesting. See below.

Does it really matter when we all have those proverbial blankets pulled up over our heads when facing our daily conventional stress? I think the determining factors are reaction and action. If we don’t care then we don’t react. If there is no reaction there can be no action taken. If we deny existence then we no longer have a need to care. So then, as society operates in its current capacity there seems to be no need to care. Is this a good thing? Probably not but it does keep the peace as well as the sanity.

There is a fine line between caring, not caring courage and stupidity. All of which and in combination should be studied before fear is tackled. IMO. It's also easy to confuse them, but we should be clear in our own mind about the distinctions.

Looking back at my response I would say that I’m more confused than when I started.

Welcome to Earth.

Well I had half expected a lot of people to post why it makes a difference and it seems they can't or won't. So unless the fearful masses are being quiet or there is really nothing to fear whatsoever.

Kinda moots half the arguments in this forum.

Case closed?

You know, I believe you may need to bring a bit more clarity to the party. As you and I have both discussed at length the unique mentality of the people you are entertaining.

Originally posted by jbondo
You know, I believe you may need to bring a bit more clarity to the party.

Any specific clarification?

I reclarified this question after Gazroks post. I can try to make it clearer but I'm not sure what confuses you. What about this one...

Let's assume that ET is here (one or many races) and some or all were evil in their actions or intentions, would that make any difference to us as individuals and the way we lead our lives? If we knew they were evil, would we attempt to NOT learn about them and uncover the truth or would it be better to be ignorant of it?

There are plenty of posters who believe aliens are here. They believe they are evil. They do not want to open that particular can of worms, so they hide from it. Why? What is there to fear?

....but I found this specific nugget both interesting and relevant and part of the big picture I am trying to understand.

This particular piece uses war as an example but it is the first two lines that caught my attention and I believe it applies to everything fear based or not understood and it is only these two line I want to bring here, not any other message.

That which a person can confront (face without flinching or avoiding) he can handle.

The first step of handling anything is gaining an ability to face it.

Source

The problem is though, how do you know you can handle something until you are confronted with it?

Is it possible to prepare yourself to confront anything? Regardless of what it is. I'm not sure.

Man at large today is in this state with regard to the human spirit. For centuries man was educated to believe in demons, ghouls and things that went boomp in the night. There was an organization in southern Europe which capitalized upon this terror and made demons and devils so formidable that at length man could not even face the fact that any of his fellows had souls. And thus we entered an entirely materialistic age. With the background teaching that no one can confront the “invisible,” .

You either have it or you don't.....

SLPEXE

Is it possible to prepare yourself to confront anything? Regardless of what it is. I'm not sure.

Absolutely. It takes a strong constitution to do so though. I found, for myself at least, it was quite easy after I figured it out. Two words was all I needed. Know thyself. If you can't get past your physical vehicle then there will always be fear because these bodies are fragile.

But if you can go beyond that and observe the observer within, then you can get a glimpse of your true immortality. Consciousness cannot be destroyed except through fear. Fear is an inward spiral. It blocks out what it doesn't know instead of seeking to know it. Love is the opposite of fear. It seeks to know what it doesn't know and accept all that it finds.

I know there are entities with intentions that aren't in my best interest. Some would call them evil. I just see them as misguided. They themselves live in fear. They seek to suppress instead of uplift out of fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of something greater than what they think themselves to be.

I see every entity as having equal potential. We all share in our possession of infinity. Those that seek to enslave are yet unable to express their own power so they get it from others. They get comfortable in their own thought loops. They will do anything to maintain that comfort zone. Those that fear the most will seek the highest technology to help them feel secure.

To answer the thread's question, it makes no difference whatsoever. Each individual must find their own way. It's a logical conclusion based on general observation.

Lets try another example, I think alot of people think that Bush has another agenda when he invaded Iraq, it was not to free them from a tyrant or a dictator. Even if we suspected that Bush did it out of greed for oil, other selffish and self centred reasons or something even more sinister, can we do anything about it?

Sure, if enough people believe that, then a super mass protest can be held, but I am not so sure the same could be applied should the majority of humankind was to discover that E.T. had some sinister plan for us.

If this brings the worlds governments and people together against the invaders, we might stand a chance or we might not, but the most important thing to know now, is this.... who are our friends and who not, who is lying, what is their agenda, etc.

Lies, Confusion and disinformation serve to aid those with sinister intents and but them time (like it has served Bush and his cabal). We need the Truth, and we need to discover it amoungst all the falsehood out there.

Prote

I think I misunderstood your questions.
If your questions are based on the assumption that aliens intrude into our lives to teach lessons. Then possibly you meant that they are kind of using the 'you have to be cruel to be kind" philosopjy. In which case, it may "not matter" if the end resuilt is achieved.

We don't have any evidence they are on a mission to enlighten. Maybe they really do chat with people such as PBG, and have relayed this info. But up to this point, it may just be fanciful thinking to adhere to this idea of them being Godly.

Placing them on this pedastal of superiority, portrays us as inferior to them, and in turn to our own selves. There may well be other species who are far more intelligent than us, but it may not imply that they go about the universe 'fixing" things for the lesser species. Maybe aliens exist, and maybe they firstly, want to set the stage for them to be believed as our saviours? If this is a facade on thier part, then it does matter.

Arm of Geddon, you summed my thoughts pretty well. thanks for the post.

ixiy, I think the human condition is to think that if they do exist and are fiddling, then it is not to our benefit i.e. it is evil. If you think about it, betrayal is a fear we all have. If this came out as being accepted fact that aliens are here and have always been here, we will all feel lied to and betrayed and no one wants that, how could we possibly understand that this could be anything other than to our detriment so that very fact right there keeps almost all of us in fear.

In terms of invading, well, of course, I probably held a little fear of this like everyone has at some point but I am past believing this is even a possibility but even so, you would still need to learn about them. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Perhaps that's what the governments are doing, or at least, think they are.

violet It makes sense what you say, there is no way of knowing for sure. I don't think it's a question of superiority, I think it's a question of reality.


For what it's worth...
As wonderful as Earth is, I fully believe that there simply has to be more. Just look up at night. Of all the information I have processed over the decades, I concede there is no concrete proof but it just cannot be all there is, not by a margin of infinite proportions, there's just no way we are alone.

If they are real and they are Evil, then we just may as well pack up and go home. That's why it just cannot be.

Fear is the lock, love is the key.

IMHO, of course. Thanks for all your posts.