Int'l bankers attempting to destroy America - NWO - 9/11 - Federal Reserve - Smoking gun

I'll take a gander at that and get back with ya afterwards. Sounds interesting though. Thanks for the heads up!!

TheBorg

Some new findings about global elite and international bankers:

The global elite: who are they:
The August Review - Global Elite Research

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In 30-40 short years, America has gone from the strongest and most stable nation in the world, to one of the weakest and unstable. Poor Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall and had a great fall, but few people will see the real truth that Humpty was actually pushed!

Link: America Plundered by the Global Elite

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U.S. Accounting Data May Obscure Impending Collapse
While Laurence Kotlikoff detailed bankrupt condition of the U.S. government, Martin Weiss has strong thoughts on how it's being covered up. Bottom line: Don't depend on the government to warn you of an impending financial meltdown!

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Greetz, Pontifex

Updated News:

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6 Dec 2006: Too Good To Be True:
Is Daddy Bush's Illegal Financial NWO Empire Collapsing?

Yes, according to Michael C. Cottrell and the Wanta group trying to recover $4.5 trillion of off shore money for the American people. Further, photos uncovered by former NYPD detective showing Bush Sr. allegedly involved in huge White House pedophile ring.

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Dec. 03, 2006: Video: The Occult World of Commerce

Runtime: 1h-06min

Jason Whitney presents brief yet elaborate audio-visual occult/esoteric roadmap to understanding how our legal/banking systems are fundamentally predicated upon one thing, "commerce,” and the regulation thereof. The questions to consider are however, who is doing the regulation, what sort of regulation is being done and who has reaped the benefits from such regulation?

Jason Whitney further asserts that the extraction of money "energy" from society is made possible by and through corrupt judges and other judicial henchman demonstrating the economic element of their criminal enterprise and how the fines, fees, restitution and forfeitures received by the courts have been deviously embezzled by Judges and their co-conspirators.

The occult dynamics, esoteric concepts and other intrigue presented by Maxwell and Whitney is fundamentally essential for anyone who desires a greater insight as to how our out-of-control legal/banking construct is designed and operates in America.

This presentation addresses:
Man as a Word-Controlled Creature
Civil Law vs. Admiralty/Maritime Law
Maritime/Admiralty Law Superimposed over Civil Law
One's Mother as a Merchant Vessel
Giving Birth as a Commercial Maritime Concept
Hospitals and Energy Farms
Spiritual Beings vs. Human Beings
Freemasonry, Banking and the Court Connection
Judicial Slush Funds
The use of Public Records Act Requests
And more...

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U.S. Criminal Probe Rattles $2 Trillion Municipal Bond Market

By William Selway and Martin Z. Braun
Dec. 7 (Bloomberg) -- The first-ever antitrust probe of the municipal bond market is roiling an industry that states and cities depend on to finance everything from garbage trucks to schools.
U.S. Justice Department prosecutors subpoenaed more than a dozen banks and insurers three weeks ago, seizing documents from three brokers in a search for evidence of bid rigging. Lawyers say it's the biggest criminal investigation of the almost 200- year-old market, where municipalities have more than $2 trillion of debt outstanding.

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Video: The Iron Triangle - The Carlyle Group Exposed

Runtime: 48min

Note: The first 1 minute & 47 seconds of this program is in broadcast in Dutch, The rest is in English.

The Bush family, the Saudi Royal family, Osama Bin Laden's family and Donald Rumsfeld's inner circle - these are just some of the high profile figures who have played a direct role in the rise of one of the most powerful and influential and secretive firms in Washington.

The company is called The Carlyle Group. And in the wake of the events of September 11th and the invasion of Iraq, its power and influence have become significantly stronger.

The company operates within the so-called iron-triangle of industry, government and the military. Its list of former and current advisers and associates includes a vast array of some of the most powerful men in America and indeed around the world.

This program exposes the history of the Carlyle Group, from it's inception as a private equity firm to it's precent status as one of the largest defence contractors in the world.

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Greetz, Pontifex

Originally posted by Pontifex
Some new findings about global elite and international bankers:

The global elite: who are they:
The August Review - Global Elite Research

So, how can one determine if an individual is a member of the core of the global elite? There is a good chance that such a person will be:

- closely aligned with and accepted by many of the people already identified as core;
- often family-related to other core members (i.e., the Bush family, Rockefeller family, etc.);
- part of the "revolving-door" that switches them in and out of important and critical positions in government, academia and business;
- a member (director or high-level executive) of an organization identified as a core company, such as J.P. Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Caterpillar Tractor, etc.;
- educated at a prestigious and global-minded university;
- belong to one or more organizations that are dominated by people already identified as core.

www.augustreview.com...

Is Bush really a dummy, or is he just playing the part?

The Art of War -Sun Tzu

"A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective." - Master Sun

www.themoneymasters.com...

This is a good video, since these people dont want the video cirulated via the net and want you to buy it..

You will have to search for it yourself.. It gives a decent history of the money changers.

Why doesnt someone start a threat about the ideas to get the word out? All people ever do on ATS is talk about whats right and wrong, whats a conspiracy and whats the truth. Do something about it. Someone post the facts about WHY tax is illegal, and WHY the federal reserve is illegal. I would..but uh i dont know the amendments by heart. hah.

Capitalism ≠ Democracy

We have all had the idea that capitalism equals democracy forced into our minds since we were children; the truth is however that no economic system has allegiance to any political ideology.

Greed is the source of the problem here in the U.S., consumerism is the law of the land. The masses have been brainwashed into a mentality that happiness comes from purchasing, material gain is the driving force of existence.

This mindset drives people apart. It breeds competition, and those who cannot compete cheat. We are slowly and surely being lured into a stampede mentality in which those who cannot keep up and those who falter are left behind to rot.

Capitalism creates greed; it is necessary for the perpetuation of the system. Overcoming greed is the answer, getting over material one-up-man-ship is the key.

Originally posted by wingman77
Capitalism ? Democracy

Correct.

We have all had the idea that capitalism equals democracy forced into our minds since we were children;

Maybe in your school, but not in mine. Capitalism is the natural state of affairs in any society that allows freedom and personal choice. Even in the strictest controlled economies, capitalism exists, and has done since humans first adopted the concept of money. If I choose to invest my money, and someone else chooses to spend theirs on pointless goods and entertainment, what's wrong with that?

Shouldn't people have the right to do what they want with their hard earned cash?

Maybe in your school, but not in mine.

I'm not simply talking about what we're taught in school. Popular culture has labeled socialism the antithesis of democracy, which has left capitalism as the only choice.

Capitalism is the natural state of affairs in any society that allows freedom and personal choice. Even in the strictest controlled economies, capitalism exists, and has done since humans first adopted the concept of money. If I choose to invest my money, and someone else chooses to spend theirs on pointless goods and entertainment, what's wrong with that?

Shouldn't people have the right to do what they want with their hard earned cash?

Absolutely they should.


My point was that capitalism is going too far. Look at Halliburton and Monsanto. There are other economic systems that may entitle as much or even more freedom than our current system of capitalism. The people who are truely benefiting from our current system are 1% of the population who control 90% of the wealth.

[edit on 16-12-2006 by wingman77]

I can certainly agree that there should be restrictions and laws to stop corporations abusing their power, however that's a political issue, not an economic one.

By and large though, it's peoples own choices that lead them into financial slavery, and that can only be solved through better education. It doesn't cost anything to be hard working, considerate, and to provide good service to one's clients/cutomers. It doesn't cost anything to walk into a library or bookstore,to sit down, to read, and to learn.

Those who do, will be able to improve their financial status. Those that don't have no-one to blame but themselves.

In societies without welfare, people understand this, since lack of personal responsibility is not an option. However I agree that in western societies, too many people have come to believe that flagrant consumption is their birthright. I wonder how some of these people would cope if they had to live in a third world country where no-one is there to bail them out?

At the end of the day, we are all in competition, and that's how it's always been. It may not be fair that some are born into riches, but then again it's no less fair that some are born with good looks, athletic prowess, etc. it's possible that I have more wealth than you, but then again, you may have more children and better health than me. Financial imbalances can be rectified through effort.. Genetic imbalances cannot.

Originally posted by wingman77
Capitalism �� Democracy

We have all had the idea that capitalism equals democracy forced into our minds since we were children; the truth is however that no economic system has allegiance to any political ideology.

Greed is the source of the problem here in the U.S., consumerism is the law of the land. The masses have been brainwashed into a mentality that happiness comes from purchasing, material gain is the driving force of existence.

This mindset drives people apart. It breeds competition, and those who cannot compete cheat. We are slowly and surely being lured into a stampede mentality in which those who cannot keep up and those who falter are left behind to rot.

Capitalism creates greed; it is necessary for the perpetuation of the system. Overcoming greed is the answer, getting over material one-up-man-ship is the key.

Very well said, and very accurate.

BIG TROUBLE AT THE TREASURY OVER WANTA FUNDS

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Greetz, Pontifex

[edit on 2-1-2007 by Pontifex]

I figured that I should respond to this one, since this is something dear to my heart.

Originally posted by nowthenlookhere
I can certainly agree that there should be restrictions and laws to stop corporations abusing their power, however that's a political issue, not an economic one.

Well, it becomes an economic issue when those that make the rules that we all have to live by (politicians), are the ones that also handle our money and how much it's worth. Most of these politicians are, or have been at some point, related to a major corporation somewhere. The corporation(s) that he/she is associated/enslaved to hold sway in the decisions that he/she makes. That's just my take on it anyway. Believe it or not, that's your choice.

It doesn't cost anything to walk into a library or bookstore,to sit down, to read, and to learn.

Sure it does. It costs me time that could be better spent out making a living so that I can pay the bills that seem to be never-ending. I understand the point that's being made here, and it truly applies for the most part, but there are a lot of cases where that's just not an option.

Those who do, will be able to improve their financial status. Those that don't have no-one to blame but themselves.

That's not necessarilly true. You're generalising based on opinion here. It may be that those people do actually have someone else to blame for the situation they find themselves in. That's not to say that there's nothing they can do about it; it's just to say that it's quite possible that they may have had no control over the circumstances that brought them to the position in which they find themselves. I really don't think that being so critical of those that can't seem to get ahead is such a fair thing to be doing.

In societies without welfare, people understand this, since lack of personal responsibility is not an option. However I agree that in western societies, too many people have come to believe that flagrant consumption is their birthright. I wonder how some of these people would cope if they had to live in a third world country where no-one is there to bail them out?

At the rate we're headed with illegal immigration, outsourcing, rising gas prices, stagnant wages, and huge layoffs, I don't see that exact situation being very far off. We're already one of the world's most indebted nations. Third world? Not quite yet, but we're getting there. Give it 20 more years.

At the end of the day, we are all in competition, and that's how it's always been. It may not be fair that some are born into riches, but then again it's no less fair that some are born with good looks, athletic prowess, etc. it's possible that I have more wealth than you, but then again, you may have more children and better health than me. Financial imbalances can be rectified through effort.. Genetic imbalances cannot.

Not when the world is stacked against you it can't. To get ahead in this world of competition, you're suggesting that we play the game that's been played forever; stab the next guy in the back to take his spot. That's not exactly an option for those of us that want to get there with our conscience intact.

I don't think that anyone can reach the top without doing at least some backstabbing, which is why I don't foresee myself ever making it there. If I ever did, I wouldn't stay there. I'd make the world a better place for all people, rather than just myself. I'd do this by spreading the power that I'd have accumulated evenly amongst the people, so that they might better be able to govern themselves.

As a general rule, people are too selfish. It's a simple fact, and one that you and I agree on. With that, I think we can rest in agreement.

Best regards,

TheBorg

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
The Federal Reserve
www.youtube.com...
[edit on 11-11-2006 by In nothing we trust]

Excellent clip. It is a sad fact that there are many people who will watch that clip and will still deny any talk of the NWO controlling the world. There is a very good quote from Bismark in that clip

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
How could so many people accept a lie as the truth?

Because the 16th ammendment is legal. It was ratified, people allege that it wasn't, they say that there were problems with the ratification process. Thats completely different from it actually being as such. They've never been able to demonstrate in court or congress that it wasn't legally ratified.

viewfromthestars
It would be cool if the American people would wake up enough to 'take back' our country from these parasites

What parasites? The IRS? The vast majority of the people complain about paying taxes, and then happily and wholeheartedly make use of the services provided by tax-collection, heck, they have entire political struggles to make sure that those taxes continue to be collected and those services continue to be doled out.
The same goes for the fed and having our money being artificial and not tied to the wildly fluctuating gold market. Having it tied to gold only makes us more vulnerable, and more open to manipulation, because its a market. Imagine "Enron", but over gold, and thus the basis for all money in the world. Or consider the instability that we had in the past, compared to the solid value of money in modern times.

First of all, it is your opinion that the 16th ammendment was legally ratified...it was NOT.

Second, it doesnt matter anyway. The Supreme Court has ruled on several (i think 8) cases that the 16th ammendment did not grant the govt any new powers of taxation.

Therefore, the income taxes we pay are unconstitutional. The constitution is quite clear...you can not have a direct unnaportioned taxes on labor period, end of story.

Oh and for the person who said lets do something about it.

I already do.

Before every election both local, state, and national I protest outside the voting booth. I stand there with my wife and brother and his wife. We hold signs like

" 100% of your income taxes goes to paying the national debt which is owned by a privately owned bank"

"what is the national debt...its money created from thin air by a private bank (federal reserve) and loaned to our govt to cover expenses."

"Only congress has the right to print money"

and my personal favorite..." vote Libertarian, they are the only party that supports abolishing the federal reserve and income taxes"

Most make comments like Im a nut, etc but I have reached a few. I make it point to bring up the federal reserve in daily conversations with everyone I meet. Just ask my family doctor, local butcher, mailman, garbage man, lawn guy, etc

Its up to us to spread the word and then and only then will we have the numbers necessary to put the pressure on congress to abolish the fed

admriker, I admire your efforts sir. most people either go along with the mainstream sheep, or many of those who realise there's something wrong just shrug their shoulders and still do nothing. Even a small gesture is significant, and I am certainly not suggesting your gesture is small, it is very big of you to make the effort, it would be great if it caught on, because if over 50% of the population did the same then a difference really could be made, the message could get across. Why should the taxpayers simply hand over part of their earnings to the super-rich banksters for nothing in return.

I liken it to the bully concept. People are afraid of the big bad bully because they don't want him to come down and beat them up, and then take their lunch money. They'd sooner give it up willingly, and without a fight, than risk the chance that they'll get their butts handed to them.

It's getting to the point now though that the bully in this story is just taking what it wants, the actions of the underlings be damned. Bullies don't last long, because someone bigger and badder comes along to take their spot at the top. Let's just pray that that person is more caring and has a larger conscience than their predecessor.

TheBorg

I have a proposition. Now under the dollar backed by gold, if you wanted to sell 400 dollars of gold, you would need X amount of gold.

Since our system is backed by nothing, I have this to propose.

The first person that can go on to ebay and sell 400 dollars worth of "nothing" I will give 20,000 points to. That means 400 dollars of just nothing. No box to store the nothingness.

Who is going to buy 400 dollars worth of nothing? Thats what its like if you asked the government to reamburse(sp?) your dollar. Since its worth nothing, I propose you either buy or sell 400-500 dollars worth of it.

You guys are just plain nuts.

Of course there's a global elite of 'rich people'. But I know what' y'all are getting at---the j-word. Screw that.

The Federal Reserve is only fictionally separate in order to attempt to be independent of short-term political pressures, e.g. to generate excessive short-term inflation, as has happened in other nations.

But otherwise the Federal Reserve, as the name stated, is an arm of the Federal government. Congress approves its members and is ultimately the true Board of Directors for the Fed. If necessary they could impeach and remove the Fed executives. And finally, the Fed turns over its profit to the US Treasury. In any other circumstance this would be called "ownership".

Before the Federal Reserve, it was in fact truly private banks who issued and created money. And there was more corruption and more bank failure and more cheating of the middle and lower classes to benefit the politically powerful and rich bankers. The notion that fractional reserve started with the Fed or such is nonsense, as is the delusion that in the USA everybody traded exclusively with gold coin. No, they had fiat money which (theoretically) was backed in a slim fractional reserve with gold. Theoretically. But since greed is eternal this was often abused. In the 19th century bankers expanded credit recklessly (i.e. privately increasing the money supply without any regulation) during booms and then during the inevitable bust they abusively called in loans which people like farmers or merchants were unable to pay and took possession of more and more assets.

The Fed was designed approximately to stop this and it generally works---better than the prior alternative.