My meeting with Christ and test against Satan

The first thing that really began to shape my understanding of the non-physical world was my introduction in nursery at age three to the idea of Jesus and Satan. I'm sure my parents had mentioned these things before, but it wasn't until nursery that it made an impact in my life and I began having conversations with the two. I remember being told that we could talk to Jesus, so in pure faith, I went to my room and had a personal conversation with Jesus. I first asked if he was there, and he answered yes. It seemed as if there were a tone of surprise, but also of sincere kindness in his voice. Though I cannot remember any other details of his voice in particular, I remember those two details. He told me that there would be times when it might be difficult to speak with him because I would become confused. He then told me that I would have to choose between him and Satan. He said that he was going to leave for awhile, but there was no need to fear, because I only needed to call his name and he would return.

A moment passed, and I sensed that another spirit was there. I asked if he was Satan, and he answered, "No. There is no Satan. I am your Savior. Give me power over you, and I will make you happy." There was an underlying tone of anger in his voice that could not be hidden. I realized in that instant who he was.

It was to the Devil himself that I said, "No. I will not follow you. You are a liar. I could never be happy if you had power over me. I choose to follow Jesus. I will never follow you because I can tell that you are not him."

He then became very menacing, and seemed to shout with a rage, and a sort of non-physical darkness came over me, so much so that the physical world lost all importance and all of my energies were exerted into keeping this rage at bay. He threatened me that this was nothing in comparison to all the powers of hell, and promised that I would one day wish I had never been born. He said I would have no choice but to follow him and that because I had denied him power over me, I would never be happy. Though it seemed impossible, the darkness closed in more and the rage seemed to rise. It seemed that it would have been better to never have existed than to bear any more. I then remembered to call on the name of Christ, and that he would be there. The darkness crept back, and I think the devil recognized he had lost me because he shouted "No!" forever into the darkness. I called on Christ, and the darkness receded into oblivion, and I found myself in the very presence of Christ.

Once again, I don't remember any physical details, but I remember a tone of increased surprise, gratitude, and concern in the voice of the Savior. I cannot recall what the surprise was about, but I do remember that Christ told me that I should be grateful because I was one of few who had a powerful enough of an experience to remember later in life. Also, he warned me to be extra careful because from that experience on, Satan would be trying to catch me with far less recognizable devices. I told him I didn't want to go back, and he kindly reminded me that I had a purpose on earth, and that I could not grow further without that experience. Yet, he told me that the choice was ultimately mine whether to return or not. Oh, how I wish he'd told me then exactly what my purpose is. Regardless, and needless to say, I chose to return.

I can validate several points on this testimony as it in turn validates my own. If you're interested in your purpose I think I may be able to be of some help. Also, you've already got a head start on it. Feel free to U2U me if you like.

Saint4God-

Oh. Yeah. That'd be great! You can imagine the terror that such an experience puts into the heart of a three-year-old. It amazes even myself that it happened at such a young age. I certainly don't know I'd respond in quite the same way today, but I hope to heaven that I would.

This isn't the only of these sort of experiences I've had, and I sure hope they continue at a more rapid rate than they have in the past. The second experience is as follows:

The following event happened while reading . I was reading The Revelation of St John the Divine, and I came across a section where it spoke of Christ's second coming and the Millenium, etc. I was feeling a little anxious because it is constantly being said at church that the youth of our day will be the leaders of the world when this time comes. I started to pray because I felt inadequate and the thought came: "What will happen to me when Christ comes?"

The only way to describe what happened is to say that a vision opened up. I don't particularly like that phrase because it is overused. This experience was quite different from daydreaming. I was not asleep, and I don't think it was an out-of-body experience either. There are differences. In this "vision," I saw myself walking toward Christ with my family, but eventually found myself left behind when my family was allowed to join Christ. When this vision closed, another opened, and I saw my family walking toward Christ once again, but I was no longer there. I realized that this was a second possible future, which indicates that our future is not set in stone. Our actions can change our paths. I asked to see where I was. This second vision closed, and I found myself in another vision, walking toward Christ from a distant place on a different path, though still walking toward Christ. I had a wife and children with me (though I can't recall any physical details). I eventually found Christ and joined my family. A voice then (whether audibly or not I am unsure) spoke to me, saying, "If you want this event to come to pass, you need to make some changes in your life."

I asked, "What changes?" The answer: "You know some of them." The vision then faded away. Obviously the changes I knew about that needed to be made are personal and are more about my weaknesses than anything. However, I have been wondering for some time about the changes that I don't know about. One that has become obvious is the need to get married and have children. Something I find curious is the separation from my family. I wonder if that was symbolic for something or an actual physical distancing from my family. All I know for sure is that the separation was huge because we had to travel a long way from different angles to reach the same destination. If this is symbolic of religious change on my part, it is important to note than in such a case, at least two different religions could possibly make it back with him. I would say that far more than two groups could, however, because Christ's love is eternal and infinite, which means it includes all, so anyone who is seeking Christ or even just seeking good and right could find Christ and be accepted when he returns.

What does christ look like?? What does satan look like???? Are you on medication???? Do you have a history of mental illness??? How do you know these events were real and not just imagined????? Why should we take your word for it????? Why doesnt this happen to everyone??????




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Originally posted by Isaac Tanner Madsen
He said that he was going to leave for awhile, but there was no need to fear, because I only needed to call his name and he would return.

I have a problem with your story, and the above sentence does not match with the real Jesus and what He does.

Hebrews 13:5 . . . God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

Be careful that you are not being deceived.

Isaac thanks for sharing this experience. If you have read any of my post as of late you will see a common theme.

Everything you do or do not do in this life matters; it is not what you think, it is what you do that defines you. Thinking or willing about it is not enough we must do. What ever paths you choose in life it will affect others. Everyone is confronted with visions or dreams. One must embrace them whole heartedly with out fear, without hesitation.

Will you become a poison dragon? -Giving into hate, fear, greed, etc... Or will you stand up for what is right when the time comes when you are tested; becoming a true master. These are things that come to everyone in life. I gave my life over to God a long time ago my path has at times been anything, but godly… However, it is a relationship and I have made bad choices, but I am reminded of good choices I have made too. The epitome of it all is not to think about it as good and evil.

He has never given up on me and the promise made to me and everyone else who believeth in Him should not parish; and that my friend can not be ripped away from you. NOTHING in this world can come between that promise made to each and everyone of you.

Not by deed, not by greed, but by grace are we saved. However, it is our duty to walk uprightly and reprove our evil ways. Darkness is only the absence of light; Coldness is only the absence of heat; Ignorance is only the absence of knowledge. I can go on… But you get the point.

Life is a path laid in front of you. Let God be the lamp unto your feet and the light unto your path; trust in Him. Live your life and make your choices.

Finally, Love is the content of my heart. Kindness is not a weakness. Friends, I hope this post was a blessing to you. With that I offer you a Good Journey because it is not the destination, but the path one walks.

Be a masterful warrior. Fear not go boldly.

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[edit on 9-11-2006 by GameSetMatch]

Originally posted by shihulud
What does christ look like?? What does satan look like???? Are you on medication???? Do you have a history of mental illness??? How do you know these events were real and not just imagined????? Why should we take your word for it????? Why doesnt this happen to everyone??????




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I think I mentioned that I do not remember all the details. I have never had a very good visual memory. I do not remember the faces of people I know. I remember attributes and things they have said. My memory isn't like watching a movie. It's more like listening to an audio tape with occasional fuzzy images on a screen while you're holding an incomplete transcript of the event in your hands.

I have no history of mental illness, and there is no history of mental illness in my family, so I think we can rule that out. I am not on medications of any type, nor was I during these experiences. Neither have I ever used any drugs at any point in my life other than over-the-counter medication for sore throats and occasional headaches and the prescriptions my doctors give for occasional strep throat, one case of appendicitis (spent 3 days in the hospital, 1/2 of which was spent unconscious - never had an experience then), and wisdom tooth removal. My medical history is fairly normal.

Why should you take my word for it? Read my experience. Read other experiences. Hopeful have your own experience at some point. Make up your own mind. I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just telling you what happened.

I do think it happens to everyone. I believe in something called the "war in heaven." It goes back to before the world began. Satan went against God, and we all had to choose a plan. Follow the devil and give him the glory of God, or follow God and let him keep his glory. Those who followed the devil were sent to hell. Those who followed God are sent to earth (or earths you might say). We each are given a different responsibility and role in this war against Satan. Some figures are meant to be more prominent. Satan knows who these are, and it is them he attacks with more strength. So what is so special about me that I had such an experience? I really have no idea, but I can't deny that it happened.

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by Isaac Tanner Madsen
He said that he was going to leave for awhile, but there was no need to fear, because I only needed to call his name and he would return.

I have a problem with your story, and the above sentence does not match with the real Jesus and what He does.

Hebrews 13:5 . . . God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

Be careful that you are not being deceived.

Sorry. Perhaps I should clarify. When Christ speaks to me, these things are not always spoken with actual words, but usually they come to the mind as a form of thought or an idea in the mind. It is hard to describe, but even though it is in the mind, the source is definitely external. It is hard to translate these thought forms into words and images, and it's impossible to write one itself out on paper because it's a three-dimensional video clip with an audio track and another track with feelings in it. Satan can emulate feelings, but he cannot emulate love unless you're speaking of lust, and that's certainly not what I felt in the presence of Christ.

So, did he leave me or forsake me? Not really. Perhaps he distanced himself, but I knew the whole time that he was watching and helping. I guess by "leaving" I mean the being that I knew was there before had left for a time, but the spirit was still there giving support as I went through the experience. I do not think he would have let me be taken by the devil. God protects his children, especially the very young, but I think we are all tested early on in life, though most do not remember. This first test gives is the strength and subconscious knowledge that supports us through our life. So yes, there is strength within ourselves, but it is nothing in comparison to the strength Christ gives when we call upon him.

GameSetMatch-

Thank you for your post and your support. Every bit of strength helps.

When you say you had a conversation with jesus, was it an out of body experience, or were you in a normal state? I hear you can get to such a realm through an OBE but have never had one myself.

Originally posted by apex
When you say you had a conversation with jesus, was it an out of body experience, or were you in a normal state? I hear you can get to such a realm through an OBE but have never had one myself.

I'm really not quite sure. See, the first experience I had happened when I was about 3 years old. I'm not sure how I came into that state, but I'm sure it wasn't a dream. Dreams are unreal. The way I remember it, this was an experience and not a dreamlike state. It started with a simple prayer with Christ. Because there was nobody else in the room at the time, I am not sure if it was an audible voice that spoke to me or not, but I could tell that there was another being in the room even though I was still kneeling with my eyes closed in prayer. It is the same as when someone comes into your room and you are pretening you are asleep. You know they are there either because you can hear them or you can sense their spirit.

The experience with Satan began right after that. The room became very dark, but I don't believe Satan has any power to bring a person out of their body unless they knowingly give him permission. I never did anything like that, so I don't think I ever left my physical body while in that state of darkness, even though I could see nothing. It wasn't until I called upon Christ for help that I traveled somewhere else. It seemed to me that I was physically somewhere else because I don't remember any sensed coming from my room at that point, so I must have been out-of-body then. When I returned to my body, I went on with life, unphased. There was nothing abnormal about the experience for me as a three-year-old. I thought this sort of thing happened to everyone. Perhaps it does, but if so, most of us do not remember.

The second experience I talked about later in the thread was not an out-of-body experience, but it was very different from a daydream because I could see the event taking place in front of me, but at the same time I could see the world before my and I could physically turn the pages of my scriptures in front of me and read them while I was still watching this experience. It was as if I whole new dimension of sight was momentarily opened up to me.

Originally posted by Isaac Tanner Madsen
When Christ speaks to me, these things are not always spoken with actual words, but usually they come to the mind as a form of thought or an idea in the mind. It is hard to describe, but even though it is in the mind, the source is definitely external.

Satan can emulate feelings, but he cannot emulate love unless you're speaking of lust,

So, did he leave me or forsake me? Not really. Perhaps he distanced himself,

Have you ever received Christ as Savior? I mean, an on purpose acceptance by you, acknowledging that Jesus died for your sins, and your faith is in Him alone for salvation.

If you have then I am somewhat at ease. If you haven't, I am very concerned for you.

I know what you mean by an impression on your mind, that is 1 of the ways God does things.

As far as satan not being able to emulate love, the Bible says different:
2 Corinthians 11:[14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

To say Christ distanced Himself from you, quite frankly, is not comforting to me. Hedoes not do this if someone is saved. Unsaved people ,yes it's possible(See Romans Ch. 1.)

Seriously, I need to know if you have prayed to receive Christ!!!

Perhaps I should clarify something. My first experience was in my early years. It was near my birth. I think it happened at around age three, but it really could have happened any time from the realm shortly before birth or up until I was five years old. I only know for sure that it happened before I started Kindergarten, but I seem to recall it happening around the time I started going nursery at my church. I think that happened at about age two or three. It is my very first memory. I know that I have no memories before this experience, except that I believe I heard of Christ right before having the experience and decided he was someone I wanted to meet.

The second experience is one of very few memories I can still visually see when I think about it. When I was walking toward Christ, I could not get any physical details because his image was so bright that to get any closer would have been painful for the eyes. When I did get closer though, it was still just as bright, but the brightness was softer as I stepped forward so that it wasn't overwhelming. It seemed as if when I walked toward Christ, I became a part of that brightness. I could see a figure, and I could sense eternal love coming from that figure, and I can link that figure back to the being I was with in the NBE (or near-birth-experience). I have no reason to doubt that it was Christ, nor can I ever deny it unless I die and come to realize that these memories are false. However, I sincerely doubt that such will be the case.

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by Isaac Tanner Madsen
When Christ speaks to me, these things are not always spoken with actual words, but usually they come to the mind as a form of thought or an idea in the mind. It is hard to describe, but even though it is in the mind, the source is definitely external.

Satan can emulate feelings, but he cannot emulate love unless you're speaking of lust,

So, did he leave me or forsake me? Not really. Perhaps he distanced himself,

Have you ever received Christ as Savior? I mean, an on purpose acceptance by you, acknowledging that Jesus died for your sins, and your faith is in Him alone for salvation.

If you have then I am somewhat at ease. If you haven't, I am very concerned for you.

I know what you mean by an impression on your mind, that is 1 of the ways God does things.

As far as satan not being able to emulate love, the Bible says different:
2 Corinthians 11:[14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

To say Christ distanced Himself from you, quite frankly, is not comforting to me. Hedoes not do this if someone is saved. Unsaved people ,yes it's possible(See Romans Ch. 1.)

Seriously, I need to know if you have prayed to receive Christ!!!

Thank you for your concern. I was only three years old at the time and hadn't accepted him yet*, so back then I can see why he would distance himself. However, since that time I have accepted him as my savior, and I re-evaluate my standing with him on a regular bases to make sure that I continue to accept him as my savior. After all that I can do, it is only through faith in Christ and through his love and grace that we can be accepted back into his arms in the "end" of all things. I am not saved by these experiences by any means. Rather, it is because of these experiences and because of my faith in Christ and the grace by which he saves me that I have an overwhelming desire to help others in any way that I can, including sharing such a personal thing in hopes that it may bring someone closer to Christ. Thank you for clarifying that.

* Needed more detail.

[edit on 11.9.2006 by Isaac Tanner Madsen]

Originally posted by Isaac Tanner Madsen

I think I mentioned that I do not remember all the details. I have never had a very good visual memory. I do not remember the faces of people I know. I remember attributes and things they have said. My memory isn't like watching a movie. It's more like listening to an audio tape with occasional fuzzy images on a screen while you're holding an incomplete transcript of the event in your hands.

How then do you know that the figures were jesus and satan??? How do you know that what you are experiencing is not a figment of your imagination.????

Have you ever experienced hypnogogic or hypnopompic states???

I'm not trying to belittle your experiences as I know that things like this happen and seem very real but there are usually rational explanations for the experiences.


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Originally posted by shihulud
How then do you know that the figures were jesus and satan??? How do you know that what you are experiencing is not a figment of your imagination.????
I'm not trying to belittle your experiences as I know that things like this happen and seem very real but there are usually rational explanations for the experiences.

So if you ever have an experience like that are you just going to shrug it off and just say "well it was just a hallucination" then? Or are you going to believe something?

Originally posted by apex

Originally posted by shihulud
How then do you know that the figures were jesus and satan??? How do you know that what you are experiencing is not a figment of your imagination.????
I'm not trying to belittle your experiences as I know that things like this happen and seem very real but there are usually rational explanations for the experiences.

So if you ever have an experience like that are you just going to shrug it off and just say "well it was just a hallucination" then? Or are you going to believe something?

That would be dependant on the experience but I'm not automatically going to assume that it has religious tones or I was talking to god or jesus etc. I have had many strange experiences with and without chemicals and I know the difference between the two. However most of my experiences can be explained rationally and even the ones I cant explain( and I've had a few) should have a rational explanation. I see no reason to attribute any of them to a god.



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Well done saint Isaac. All you have posted matches every validation test I know of. Thank you. Keep up the good work.


[edit on 10-11-2006 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God
Well done saint Isaac. All you have posted matches every validation test I know of. Thank you. Keep up the good work.

[edit on 10-11-2006 by saint4God]

Lol! I've never been called that before! Could you tell me more about these validation tests?