Iranian soldiers pass through moderanization (Pictures)

"If we did decide to invade, I hope we'd just carpet bomb the hell out of the place. Less American blood = good."

Such a quote of sheer off hand ignorance epitomises so much that is wrong in this world today. Such a quote shows a fundamental blindness, a lack of conscience on the behalf of a power hungry nation who in all honesty feel less compassion towards their troops and more of a dumbfounded repitition of morals that have been drilled into the individual from birth. What would such a war achieve bar an obliteration of a culture and more fuel added to the fires of terrorism? There are of course the resulting economical benefits allied countries are sure to stumble across, and this factor literally obliterates any voice of reason and burns as an absolute egotistical priority within the minds of the powerful.

War is not a pretty thing, and a moral war based upon fundamental flaws and lies whose origins are at best debatable in the first place can not lead to anything with regards to security in the short-term or the forseeable long term. The sense of invincibility of the United States, although ruffled by 9/11 has simply turned the monster up a notch in its hunt for greed and power. People can use the 9/11 excuse until they're blue in the face, but if truth be told the consequences of 9/11 U.S. foreign policy has bled dry more lives in one way or another, than anyone can possibly imagine. One also has to remember that this feud has been deeply embedded within our cultures for a long long time, and that 9/11 did not simply emerge from nothingness.

There is no way whatsoever that the portrayal of truths imbedded within our societies are as black or white as people would wish us to believe.

Originally posted by sister_ray
There is no way whatsoever that the portrayal of truths imbedded within our societies are as black or white as people would wish us to believe.

Excellent words Sister Ray,this last sentence in particular sums up exactly why i come to ATS.

Don't get stuck on the M-16 issue, you'll have to remember that they are in use and copied around the world. And M-16 is not a good rifle to copy, since there are better ones out there... Not everything made in USA is best on the world...

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Originally posted by Documentally
I would recommend travel to the 95% of americans that don't have a passport. It broadens the mind and gives you a whole new perspective on the world.

That is such stupid whitewash BS. There are ignorant people in Europe, China, Russia, etc. of other countries and traditions.

Well said RR. I'd just like to add, for Documentallies "enlightenment" that there is a lot of geography to cover in the US w/o a passport (aprox 9.6 million km2). Compare that to the UK (0.2 million km2). Criticizing a society based on how much it's populace travels is pure garbage.....thats "rubbish" Documentally.

Originally posted by darkbluesky

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Originally posted by Documentally
I would recommend travel to the 95% of americans that don't have a passport. It broadens the mind and gives you a whole new perspective on the world.

That is such stupid whitewash BS. There are ignorant people in Europe, China, Russia, etc. of other countries and traditions.

Well said RR. I'd just like to add, for Documentallies "enlightenment" that there is a lot of geography to cover in the US w/o a passport (aprox 9.6 million km2). Compare that to the UK (0.2 million km2). Criticizing a society based on how much it's populace travels is pure garbage.....thats "rubbish" Documentally.

Fair point but I think people have this view because travel outside ones borders, can help one to experience different peoples cultures, as you will learn more respect and an better understanding of them. I'ts not looked down on because of the supposed amount of land mass you've travelled.

[edit on 7-11-2006 by Xeros]

Originally posted by XerosFair point but I think people have this view because travel outside ones borders can help one to experience different peoples cultures, as you will learn more respect and an better understanding of them. I'ts not looked down on because of the amount of land mass you've travelled.

[edit on 7-11-2006 by Xeros]

I understood the premise. Please understand that although we are all US citizens, this country is so big that there are many regional cultural distinctions. Travelling the US state by state exposes one to a myriad of belief and value systems, differing paces of life, differing views on issues of the day, etc. And after all is said and done we are all still united as citizens of one country.

Not dis-similar to the benefits the EU is trying to realize IMO.

These threads always end up the same....... in childish displays of might!!!
Who's got the best weapons, who would kick who's butts....
...it is like being back in school when six years old, and arguing who's dad is the toughest and will beat up everyone elses dads.
only, when it comes to wars, it is no playground scenario, many innocent lives get lost in conflicts.
So I really dont get the attitude of a lot of people to take pleasure in boasting the military capabilities of their countries when they all ultimately lead to death and misery for many people.
It's no wonder the world is such a mess!!!!

Originally posted by chinawhite
Its the Steyr .50 HS sniper rifle Link

Here is a video of their recent military exercise
www.youtube.com...

Thanks for finding the video.

Do you know anything about Iran's own indignous .50 sniper rifles. They started mass producing them last year but i can't seem to find more information about them. Do you think those styr .50 rifles could actually be reverse engineered copies made by Iran from the original models they purchased?


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Originally posted by Low Orbit

O, Mehran, I wish we could give your country what it deserves, lol!

www.aip.org...

[edit on 6-11-2006 by Low Orbit]

ROTFLMFAO!!

Yea turn it all to glass I say.

Lets face it Mr Av-a-dinner-jacket wants nuclear weapons lets export some.

Better make sure they pay before delivery though



[edit on 7-11-2006 by Allah the moon god]

So does the Iranian government pay you to post this rhetoric or do you do it out of the kindness of your heart?? If somebody posted pics of US soldiers and said "we are ready for every possible escalation if the Iranians dared to attack us" there would be a huge uproar.

A picture really is worth a thousand words. What will a few m16's old russian transport helos and a few goombas with a recoilless rifle do to stop precision guided munitions in the dark?

[edit on 7-11-2006 by warpboost]

The most high-tech weapons on Earth can't replace good stratedgy and training--one thing the USA had over Iraq.

Iran knows it's in the hot seat, and I'd wager they are pulling out all the stops to better train their troops.

For pete's sake, I can download nearly ALL the US mil FM documents...if they know what WE know...

I'm not saying they'll win by any means, but they'll make it so costly we'll wish we never made an attempt.

Iran has proved it's tenacity in the Iraq/Iran war by sending thousands of un-armed youth as "cannon fodder"...

Iran has nothing to loose, and everything to gain.

Personally, I believe war with Iran is inevitable, and it's going to be very bloody.

Iran does have an impressive show of force, especially those 7 million suicide troopers who simply run into open fields being mowed down by machine gun fire until the machine guns run out of ammo. The tactic worked for them during the Iran/Iraq war.

Fighting Iran would probably be like 1939 United States fighting 1944 Germany. Two weakened, stretched nations who will most likely be in a dead-lock without the proper support.

The US forces are stretched far too thin to go to war with Iran since we have troops in Eastern Europe, Eastern Africa, Middle East, and South Asia. America however is the only nation on the planet capable of waging war on two fronts, I think we have like 5 right now(exagerrating of course). We simply cannot pool together enough resources from a volunteer force to fight Iran, maybe a draft might solve that problem, but people don't want that.

We need to get out of Iraq at the very least 100 percent before we go to Iran.

If war does come, I think it won't include anyone else except for the United States and Iran(maybe Syria and Lebanon) because North Korea is too busy trying to avoid getting shot at by the rest of Southeast Asia/China and Russia and all the other Arab/Muslim nations either are aligned with the US already or don't like the idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon. The US is the largest importer of Oil in the world, I don't think OPEC their number one client and all of the control that comes with that to simply vanish off the Earth. So scratch support from the other Middle Eastern and Arab nations.

The UK supported us through Iraq, I thank them for that, but I don't think they're going to jump into Iran with us. Isreal is already fighting.

Shattered OUT...

Iran fought an 8 year war with Iraq in the 80's. It ended in a stalemate with millions dead and wounded. The U.S.A defeated the Iraqi army in 1990 and again in 2003 quickly and with minimal loss of American troops. Thus, logic would dictate that if America can defeat a country that Iran could not, then America could defeat Iran as well. But the last thing anyone wants is more war. Maybe after Bush leaves office, diplomacy and reason can have a chance. The next President has a lot of damage control to look forward to. It will take years to undo the damage that Bush has done to our country. Once we were looked up to as a super power of democracy and freedom but now we are simply American Imperialists with war mongering tendacies.

I know some of you will say its not our fault, that 9-11 was the cause and the war on terror is the effect and I agree with that to a point. The war on terror is justified and all countries should join the battle, but to invade Iraq under false pretenses and false intelligence just to affect regime change should, would and does scare the hell out of a lot of countries, North Korea and Iran being a couple of them.

I can't wait until I can look back on the Bush years as a bad memory!

IMHO Bush has done no damage that hasn't been supported by the government. Technically the president has very little power, most of the power is checked by the other two branches.

During the Iraq/Iran war, the US aided the Iraqis in defeating the Iranians, yes the Iraqis defeated the Iranians, but only because the US bombed Iran's naval fleet to the next century and bombed as much as it possible could on the ground.

But I agree with you that there is a big mess to be handled with the next administration(not just the president, but his cabinet members and the people he appoints to office). The problems that is faced with the American government cannot be viewed as "Bush did it, it's all his fault". One man cannot be blaimed for the actions of many. Just because he signed a few papers doesn't mean he is the lone propriater of them.

Shattered OUT...

Uh, are those American weapons Mehran?

Look like M16 sort of eh? .............

But no really.. 2 days of aerial assault and it would be over..... and then of course we get another fun time fighting guerilla warfare with no end and at some point.. maybe a few years.. we will leave and Mehran can re-build. American casualties would be much higher then Iraq, but I would not assume from actual Military conflict.

Remember, in 1991 before the gulf War who would have thought we would roll on Iraq in a matter of days? .. Iraq was the 4th largest army in the world and rather modern in comparison to other Arab states. They where stronger then, than Iran is now. It is the fighting after we destroy the country that is the concern.

Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
During the Iraq/Iran war, the US aided the Iraqis in defeating the Iranians, yes the Iraqis defeated the Iranians, but only because the US bombed Iran's naval fleet to the next century and bombed as much as it possible could on the ground.

I beg to differ. The US did not engage in any acts of war during the Iran/Iraq war. The US supplied some arms and equipment to Iraq but did not bomb anything. At least not according to this site. The US did offer to escort and reflag vessels with the American flag in order to protect oil shipments. And no one side was victorious. It ended when Iran accepted United Nations (UN) Security Council Resolution 598, leading to a 20 August 1988 cease-fire.



[edit on 11/7/2006 by Jeddyhi]

nobody here knows why the hell the iranians are using M16's ?? What kind of armchair generals are you ??

Does Mehran ever come back to post in the threads he starts?

For a guy that sure loves to talk up his country, he sure doesn't do a good job of defending it past the initial claims.

I count 4 pages and no response.

Semite Race versus Saxon Horde do we really need to take the guesswork out of this one?

Originally posted by Jaypeth
Semite Race versus Saxon Horde do we really need to take the guesswork out of this one?

Iranians aren't semites. But then again I wouldn't expect a saxon to know that.

Originally posted by Jeddyhi
I beg to differ. The US did not engage in any acts of war during the Iran/Iraq war. The US supplied some arms and equipment to Iraq but did not bomb anything.

Operation Praying Mantis ringing any bells?

For the people who like to compare Iran in the 1980s to the current Iran, Iran didn't actually have a proper military as most of the army was disbanded just before the war began in 1979. The pilots lituralyjhad to be brought out of prision and their execution dates had to be allowed to expire in order for them to fly. Currently Iran has had 17 years of relative peace, which has allowed it to grow militarily and economically.

Also, I think it is not questionable that the United States has great offensive weapons, however Iran's strength is not its offensive, but rather its ability to resist and respond to any form of invasion or attack through unconventional means.

General John Abizaid on Iran

[edit on 8-11-2006 by Sep]