Andromeda galaxy

how come we never mention andromeda galaxy when it comes about space exploration and life elsewhere. I've never seen a image of any thing inside andromeda i've searched a lot i mean c'mon i know we've atleast send probes or somethin up there. can any one post a pic of andromedaian solar system or planets

We can't even get out of our own solar system yet, let alone travel trough our own galaxy, how do you expect us to go to Andromeda, which takes 30x as long as it takes to travel from one end of our galaxy to the other.

hehe, do you realize how far away the Andromeda galaxy is? At about 2.5 million light years away its a little hard to send probes there never mind taking pictures of any solar systems that might be there.

We have only just begun to find ways of taking better images of other solar systems in our galaxy, Andromeda might be next on the list once we have discovered our own galaxy first.

As it has been said already. The Andromeda galaxy is very far away. Only recently have the Voyager 1 and 2 probes reached the edge of our solar system (about 100 au or .002 light years from the Sun). It's taken them almost 30 years to get to where they are now. Voyager 1 is travelling at about 17.2 km/s (61,920 km/h or 38,400 mph). The nearest star to us is a little over 4 light years from us. And there is an estimated 200 to 400 billion stars in our galaxy yet to explore. There is no way we will be able to go to another galaxy for a very long time.

Not via propulsion, anyway.

Andromedaian? I like that. So we're Milky Wayans?

there ya go m8 :

sci.esa.int...

a nice pic of the EUROPEAN space guys

I say screw that, why let the public be at a lesser level then they actually are? And just make us think they are at that level they show us but infact they are not lol.

Well pending on what happens in the next 10 million years will reflect our "scouting capabilities."
1: Humans blow up Earth=Humans die off, become extinct, 40 million years later alien race comes along and finds a few skeletons and wrights down in the books how increadibly ignorant, backwards and primitive human were, they burn all DNA remnants to keep humans from being geneticaly brought back example: test tube babies.
2: Humans go round and round with each other for eternity and the sun blows up and sayanara humans and Earth
3: Humans pull together and form a grand alliance and all nations become one nations, space exploration becomes a requirement and humans go deep into space.


Building off number three: At the current state humans DO NOT HAVE A HOPE IN HECK OF SURVIVING UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. ANY! Harsh? Not at all, inbreeding will wipe out humans if things keep going. The gene pool is getting mighty slim even now when you look at it on the global scale. Now if humans fix these problems and unite, then work their way into space and expand quickly and ease presure on the limited space on Earth. As humans expand into other planets, moons, "planet ships" and whatever else fits the peoples fancy then they will expand twice as fast.
Let me break it down like this:
Ok starting with Earth, Earth can colonize lets say 2 planets. 200 years till both are ready to take over another planet.

first year: Earth takes 2 new planets.
Year 200: 3 planets take 6 planets.
Year 400: 6 planets take 12 planets.
Year 600: 12 planets take 24 planets.
Year 800: 24 planets take 48 planets.
Year 1000: 48 planets take 96 planets.
Year 2000: 24,576 planets now colonized.

Catch my drift? Now that IS NOT INCLUDING the size of planets and other factors, however as you can see its exponential growth and oh in about 20 million years you will have BILLIONS of planets colonized and those planets colonizing others.

Humans WILL reach a point where they have to go to Andromeda galaxy IF they live that long. Why? Resources, space (room), Milky Way death, planets die off, etc. However, travel will be radically different by that time, and will probably be based around planet ships, just cool off a planet, cut out its core and put in a power plant, build super cities underneath the surface, cover the surface in super hard yet light enough to move the planet alloys. Not to mention propulsion... So in short humans will reach a point where they can just become permanent refugees going from planet to planet or just take the planets with them and form one whopping big fleet that makes every space movie out there based around space travel and fleets look like the most insignificant little speck of dust not worth mentioning.
Cant wait to see the first planet ship built and sent off with a crew of a couple hundred million...

Originally posted by thematrix
We can't even get out of our own solar system yet, let alone travel trough our own galaxy, how do you expect us to go to Andromeda,

What?? I didn't know that... so like you mean humans knowledge of space is like the guy walking from his bed to the door in his bedroom vs the entire world before him as his lack of experience in all that exists?? (just being sarcastic)



then why is there all these people telling us that aliens don't exist? what basis in science or human experience can they make such claims on?

I'd say that the odds of intelligent life occurring in Andromeda are 100%.




[edit on 14-11-2006 by denythestatusquo]

The Andromeda Galaxy is far away but it's so huge.

If you look up towards it in the night sky, it's apparent diameter to you is about the size of the full moon ! It's a whole lot dimmer though.

Originally posted by da king
i mean c'mon i know we've atleast send probes or somethin up there.

Do you understand what the 'andromeda galaxy' is?

denythestatusquo
then why is there all these people telling us that aliens don't exist?

How can anyone claim that they do exist if we haven't left our own solar system?

The andromeda galaxy appearing as large as the moon? You must have a serious telescope to do that. I guess we'll be the milky wayans until we establish contact with the Andromeridians lol

Originally posted by Nygdan

denythestatusquo
then why is there all these people telling us that aliens don't exist?

How can anyone claim that they do exist if we haven't left our own solar system?

There is lots of evidence of aliens actually and you are in a place to see it.. choose for yourself since it is not of a personal nature for yourself.

The drake and newer equations almost guarantee life in the universe outside of earth so it is logical to believe it is out there.

Lastly if you want to take the glass half empty view of things then both arguments negate each other: they don't exist, they do exist... but there is evidence that they exist and no evidence that mankind knows the entire universe and can assert no existance has been found anywhere.

There is as much evidence for the existance of life elsewhere as there is for the existance of God. Zero. Probability is not evidence.

However, I expect at least one of these will change in the not too distant future.

Originally posted by Schizoflux
The andromeda galaxy appearing as large as the moon? You must have a serious telescope to do that. I guess we'll be the milky wayans until we establish contact with the Andromeridians lol

10" dobsonian is all. Like I said it's real dim.
It's as big as the moon but a lot harder to see.

But I looked at the virgo cluster through our astronomy club's 40".
I could see 6-7 galaxies in the eye piece at once !
Also M-51, the whirlpool galaxy, you could see spiral arms and a very detailed structure.
That telescope costs more than most people's car though.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
The drake and newer equations almost guarantee life in the universe outside of earth so it is logical to believe it is out there.

Yes.
But not that its breaking the laws of physics as we understand them and traveling here.

but there is evidence that they exist and no evidence that mankind knows the entire universe and can assert no existance has been found anywhere.

We know that we only understand a tiny portion of reality. BUT, that still doesn't mean that we can actively say that things we have no evidence for exist.

As far as evidence that aliens exist at all, neverminding the issue of FTL travel to earth, we don't really have much. All we know is that life exists on earth in the solar system, and that the star Sol is more or less an average star, and that therefore there should be other earthlike planets, and some of them should have life, because, after all, life happened here, so why not elsewhere.

Originally posted by da king
can any one post a pic of andromedaian solar system or planets

I agree, if we have the hubble deep field picture of hundreds of galaxies, why not point it to andromeda and scan the area for signs of life?

Would it be possible to zoom into the planets close enough to detect unnatural objects?

Hubble can't be used to get images of planets, even in our own galaxy. Planets are detected by their gravity based interference with the stars that they circle around. From the disturbances on the star, workers can calculate the mass of the planet. I think that one thing they've also been able to do is estimate when the planet is passing between us and its star, and then analyze any changes in the light that is streaming from it, and use that to get an idea of the composition of the planet's atmosphere. I don't recall if they are actually doing that, or if its theoretical at this point.

Anyway, I think its not worthwhile to look for planets in other galaxies at this point, better to focus on ones in this galaxy. Even just ones that are near us.

Why go there, when they are already HERE! There is a race called the Andromedans, which come from the Andromeda Galaxy, and they are here, right now, stationed above Earth along with a myriad of other races from all around. Why are they here now? Because we are about to make a shift from limited to full consciousness, the Earth is raising in frequency, the end of a 26,000 year cycle of darkness is now, and the beginning of a new cycle of Light is now upon us. This is a rare and spectacular time in our universes history. We are about to take a major jump in evolution, and join our bretheren in exploring the cosmos.

NAMASTE ADONAI

yea considering it takes 100,00 years (scientific calculations which may not base completely over other bases of time throughout our galaxy) to cross our milkyway at the speed of light,I dont thing andromeda will be on focus for the human race for a long time.Infact I do not believe we will discover a significant fraction of our own galaxy before we completely die out (or atleast interbreed ourselves out).