Leading Evangelical Accused of Gay Sex

How do you frame someone into getting a "massage" by a gay prostitute? Or buying drugs from him?

BTW, to the other poster about the HBO special. Yes, that is the difference in getting a "massage" by a prostitute. Also, both parties are usually nude.

Hum, then I guess I am been to soft.

That is what you get when you become a grand aunt you get all soft and sensitive.

I didn't have the whole scoop yet, Is only bits and pieces what I have seen so far.

Originally posted by etshrtslr
If he was framed why did he resign?

The president of the National Association of Evangelicals, who has resigned amid allegations that he had sex with a former self-described male prostitute, has admitted to buying methamphetamines from the man, but denied that he had used the drug or had sex with the man.

"I called him to buy some meth, but I threw it away. I bought it for myself but never used it," the Rev. Ted Haggard said today to a reporter for KUSA who interviewed him as he was leaving his Colorado Springs, Colo., home. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

He said he threw out the drug without using it.

abcnews.go.com

Initially, he put himself on administrative leave, pending an investigation, while denying everything.

Now, it seems, he has resigned, while admitting to buying meth from Jones, but discarding the drug before using it.

From the recording, I gathered that there was an ongoing relationship between the two, involving more than one transaction.

Personally, at this point the sex part is still up in the air. Neither party has much in the way of credibility.

GradyPhilpott,

Not sure what your post is implying.....My point was that if someone is innocent they are not going to resign over allegations.....now if there is truth to the allegations then he did exactly what a guilty person should have done...resign.

I dont care if he had gay sex or not, I do care if the guy is saying gay sex is a sin to his congergation and the world then he is himself engaging in gay sex.

Why go to a male prostitute to get a massage if you were not expecting to do somthing more? Seems to me there are plenty of legit licenced professionals to get a massage from.

For the record, I am a social liberal. Though I am hetero, I wouldn't presume to try and dictate what sexual activities other consenting adults can engage in. That is between what they recognize as their "Higher Power" and them, imo.

The fact that this man is married, with children, and is in a position of religious authority from which he is advocating against equal rights for consenting adults in committed, same sex relationships, while very possibly carrying on a gay affair, bothers me. The possibility that the other guy may also be his meth dealer makes it even worse. To me, the only thing worse than meth is heroin, and meth is a close second.

I think its ok to define "church marriage" as something that takes place exclusively between a man and a woman. I also think its ok for the definition of "civil marriage" or "common law" relationships, and the benefits that go with it, to extend to same sex couples in long term, committed relationships.

My church probably wouldn't agree with me, but they probably wouldn't agree with the fact that I like to have a couple beers in the evening either. They certainly wouldn't agree with the fact that I occasionally watch pornographic movie clips on the internet, though only of straight sex, and always with the "2257" (18 or older) label. I'm divorced and lonely, and its been almost five years, so give me a break.

Hey, I never said I was perfect, just forgiven.


[edit on 3-11-2006 by Icarus Rising]

Originally posted by etshrtslr
GradyPhilpott,

Not sure what your post is implying...

Haggard resigned because he has admitted to buying drugs from Jones.

I don't know what happened between the two, but the phone call sounded more like a drug deal than a sex deal to me.

Listen to it.

Maybe he did have sex with Jones, I don't know, but just because he bought drugs from him doesn't mean he had sex with him and neither party is credible, given the fact that Jones is a drug dealer and a prostitute and Haggard has been caught lying once already.



[edit on 2006/11/3 by GradyPhilpott]

Hold the phone!

This just in!

Haggard admits to receiving massage from gay prostitute!

Evangelist Ted Haggard admitted Friday that he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the outspoken gay marriage opponent.

www.chron.com...

I'm guessing his goose is cooked.

Mandatory drug tests for all politicians, and people in powerful, influential religious positions!

Maybe he did have sex with Jones, I don't know, but just because he bought drugs from him doesn't mean he had sex with him and neither party is credible, given the fact that Jones is a drug dealer and a prostitute and Haggard has been caught lying once already.

I have listened to the audio. And I agree it does sound like a drug deal and they are both not credible. But the fact remains Haggard said he was getting massages from Jones and Jones is an admitted gay prostitute. So I will ask this question again....why go to a gay prostitute to get a massage and not to a legal licenced professional? Unless of course you were expecting to do somthing more.

You know, looking at the conspiracy angle of the whole issue and the time in which all these are coming out.

Due to elections.

Grady can this be payback for the big deal made about Kerry's speech? by Democrats?

I wonder.

After all Haggard is a Republican Supporter

Originally posted by marg6043
You know, looking at the conspiracy angle of the whole issue and the time in which all these are coming out.

Due to elections.

Grady can this be payback for the big deal made about Kerry's speech? by Democrats?

I wonder.

After all Haggard is a Republican Supporter

marg6043,

If its "payback" or not the real issue here is Haggard has preached to his congergation that homosexuality is a sin and yet he has admitted to buying illegal drugs and getting massages from a self admitted gay prostitute. Payback or not the guy is a hypocrite and a disgrace to his congergation.

I wonder if we will get to have a tearful confession like Jim and Tammy or Swaggert.

I actually feel sorry for Haggard. It's never plesant to see a persons life unravel in front of you even if he is a hypocrite and liar.

This should be a lesson to all those "holier than thou" folks. Either cover your tracks better or fly the stright and narrow and if perchance you do get caught;
"man it up" and don't whine and pull the old "politically motivated" BS.

Originally posted by whaaa
I wonder if we will get to have a tearful confession like Jim and Tammy or Swaggert.

I actually feel sorry for Haggard. It's never plesant to see a persons life unravel in front of you even if he is a hypocrite and liar.

This should be a lesson to all those "holier than thou" folks. Either cover your tracks better or fly the stright and narrow and if perchance you do get caught;
"man it up" and don't whine and pull the old "politically motivated" BS.

Exactly. Every sinner who is a sinner at all nowadays does Rehab.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

"I called him to buy some meth, but I threw it away. I bought it for myself but never used it," the Rev. ... "I was tempted, but I never used it."

abcnews.go.com

Sounds like the old "I didn't inhale" defense. This guy is a huge liar.

Picture of Ted Haggard

One doesn't buy Meth and feel "tempted" to use it and then discard it. That's totally and completely laughable! Meth isn't exactly a gateway drug. You don't start out on Meth. You work up to it.

I have no idea what this dude is into, I suspect he was providing it to others for favors, but he wasn't doing Meth, he didn't "buy it for himself" and you just don't buy Meth out of the blue...

The Faces of Meth

It's political. The timing is by design, but it has nothing to do with Kerry, in my opinion.

Dare I say it? It might be part of The Homosexual Agenda.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
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Dare I say it? It might be part of The Homosexual Agenda.

TY. I did not know such a thing as a gay manifesto existed.
Do you know if the people who wrote it were strung out on some type of drugs?

Originally posted by etshrtslr
If its "payback" or not the real issue here is Haggard has preached to his congergation that homosexuality is a sin and yet he has admitted to buying illegal drugs and getting massages from a self admitted gay prostitute. Payback or not the guy is a hypocrite and a disgrace to his congergation.

Well you are right,

But you know that Religious leaders on position of power in our nation, are like politicians they will preach what the people wants to hear.

They Lie.

Power corrupts, and religious leaders are not immune to it.

Grady, I forgot about the Homosexual agenda theory, right now with this news coming out on such a very planed time I kind of think that it is an agenda.

But that is homosexual? I . . . kind of . . . don't agree with .

More like a political agenda

what i heard was that the escort guy, only knew a person using the name 'art'
(which was the hedonistic preacher's middle name)

and just by chance/fate the escort guy (& alledged drug supplier)
happened to see the ?mugs'/clients'/Johns'? face on TV......

?why did it take 3 years to make the connection?
probably because the homo/dealer/escort wasn't into watching organized religion televangelists as a normal function of his waking moments!

To that man's credit, he was so shocked & surprised, he immediately (without benefit of a cadre of legal-beagles) spoke up and announced his discovery to the media & us...

If the homo/dealer/escort was a evil person...there might have been an attempt at extortion or blackmail or whatever...but you all see there wasn't

sorry, i don't see a political agenda or undercurrent for this disclosure...
i see only wolves in sheeps clothing, being exposed !
and wolves-in-sheeps-clothing seems to be prolific in America's political & religious communities

How come some gov't positions require drug tests while others do not? I for one would rather have drug tests administered to congressmen, senators and other higher ranking officials than say firemen, police and military. I propose independent lab drugtests for anyone applying or running for a civil service position.

Its one thing if you take a little viagra in the privacy of your own home (as long as its not to get ready for your little boy party) but its a complete disgrace to the insitution to send our boys and girls off to war or out on the streets sober while you sit back and snort coke off the behind of a hooker my tax dollars probobly paid for.

I understand we're not talking about an elected gov't official in this case, but the question still stands. Do you think anyone responsible for our national well-being has been drugtested? Do you think they should be?

[edit on 11/3/2006 by bokinsmowl]

"So what if he's against gay marriage. Two people of the same sex marrying is an absurdity regardless of anyone's sexual orientation.

Absurdity is absurdity, and frankly, I don't see any hypocrisy in being gay and opposing gay marriage.

Having logical thought processes doesn't make one a hypocrite. "

I find your own logic amusing
How on earth can marriage between two people of the same sex be an absurdity?

A marriage is a union between two people who love each other, whom adopts legal social status as a devoted couple, as like here in the UK. For those gay couples in places where they are not able to be registered as a legal couple, don't you think they should be encourages to do so?
I hear all the time from gay haters that all gay people are promiscuous and dont't , sorry, won't believe that a couple of the same sex could ever possibly hold the same values of mutual respect, love, affection that straight people seem to have such a monopoly on.

If you can't accept the fact that two men or two women can love each other, then you should really be brave, and get to know a gay couple or two. All phobia's, like homophobia, are a result of not understanding the subject in question.

Maybe you are the old religious type and can throw many passages at me saying how evil and sinful homosexuality is. That's great but I can also throw many passages of the bible back to you, that we as a society no longer can agree with or accpet as civilised behaviour, like slavery, child murder etc.

As for him being a hypocrit, he is. Is la man who campaigns against the legalisation of cannabis a hypocrit if thenin his own private home rolls and smoke a big fat one? Of course.


I too was homophobic growing up in a small minded town. It was only until I moved to Manchester here in the UK, that I got to know some gay neighbours, we often went out on the gay scence with them with my girlfriends (opposite sex), and I finally I grew up. I started to form my own opinions from experiencing things first hand, and not on the say so of people who would believe anything that will make themselves feel above or better someone else.