Judge Orders Release of Abu Gharib Children Rape Tape

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I don't know if there is a problem with my browser, since when i tried to post under the same subject it told me a post with this name already exists, still, i do not see my post. Nor is it in any of my subscriptions. So naturally, i will assume the worst.

If your going to sensor this post again, atleast send me a U2U informing me that US style "freedom of speach" has struck again.
Have some decency and common curtesy, and allow me the chance to appeal and report you. Or are you affraid of the reprocusionsr? A moderator who is not at all "moderate".

Judge Orders Release Of Abu Ghraib Child Rape Photos

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NEW YORK A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image. Last year a Republican senator conceded that they contained scenes of "rape and murder" and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said they included acts that were "blatantly sadistic."

If there is a lack of comment about this, i'll take it as an indication of the shame the pro-War types are feeling towards this.

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[edit on 29-10-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

So the rumors were right? and true, it was children involve in the abu ghraib scandal?

And tapes of what was done to them?

This is a nice way to win the harts and minds of the people we invaded.

pity.

I think the Americna people should know everything not just the hand picked parts.

What is suprising is that after all that has been seen, people still doubt the reports. The existance of the photos and tape was never denied, just not often mentioned.

I guess it is doubted by those that are affraid of accepting it, and it is the same people who try to censor it.

Amazing that the censorship of the images, goes from right up to the higher echelon of the bush henchmen, and right down here to ATS. The "truth seeking" forum.

[edit on 29-10-2006 by Syrian Sister]

Even if all of this is true it is not the norm for US troops by any stretch. You have people like this all over the world and they commit these crimes every day against children. The world is getting overun by twisted people but that does not mean everyone is guilty of it.

^for a socialist, your quiet blinded by your nationalism if you don't mind me saying so.

Ofcource it is the norm, it is the norm for every occupying army in history.

It is inhumane to all of us, but to the imperialist, it is merely a strategy in war.

It is the way your troops where trained, it is what they where ordered to do. To break the iraqi prisoners, and to break the will and spirit of the iraqi people.

You think you are better or different to the imperialists that came before you? Why, because it's you? think again.

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
^for a socialist, your quiet blinded by your nationalism if you don't mind me saying so.

Ofcource it is the norm, it is the norm for every occupying army in history.

It is inhumane to all of us, but to the imperialist, it is merely a strategy in war.

It is the way your troops where trained, it is what they where ordered to do. To break the iraqi prisoners, and to break the will and spirit of the iraqi people.

You think you are better or different to the imperialists that came before you? Why, because it's you? think again.

You didnt get a word of what he said. What he said was that it is not what your average troop would do. That there are pedophiles all over the world, really sick individuals. It is you that are blinded by your own agenda that prevents you from seeing that our troops are by no means ordered to break the will of civilians and kill them. Theyre people just like you and me, and they are given a task of great proportion to deal with. So can you show me where and when the order was given to break the Iraqi people? Concrete proof or is it more of your freaky propoganda?

Originally posted by ludaChris


You didnt get a word of what he said. What he said was that it is not what your average troop would do.

Yes you are right The average troop, son, daughter, husband, wife, love one do not do that or at least we hope, pray and wish that they will not.

But it happens

That there are pedophiles all over the world, really sick individuals.

Yes they are can not argue with that.

It is you that are blinded by your own agenda that prevents you from seeing that our troops are by no means ordered to break the will of civilians and kill them.

Any prove of that? for what it seem the truth has been offuscaded and white washed so it could not posible reach the sensitive natures of the American citizens that their, love ones, husbands, sons, daughters, fathers, their dearest serving for the greatest nation of the world is not by anymean in that group of the sick offs right?

Is always somebody else not my love one.

But then again we got secret detention camps after abu ghraib so the feast of torture would be hidden from the prying eyes of conservative horrified America.

And still our own government have the audacity to push bills to make it legal.

Funny.

So can you show me where and when the order was given to break the Iraqi people?

Can you prove that it was never given?

Concrete proof or is it more of your freaky propoganda?

Why when the truth is given people can not seem to digested and come to the conclusion that is more than meets the eyes.

But hey lets kill the messanger right?

Still can not hide the facts as they comes out.




[edit on 29-10-2006 by marg6043]

This is an outrage.

This could not have gone on long without the knoweldge of the upper echelon there. This isn't an example of a few bad apples; it's people delibarately looking the other way while children are sodomized and worse, all for "national security".

It is things like this that give the resistance an excuse for slaughter, and there is no shady argument out of that.

I would like for this to be wrong, but it is not, and I cannot ignore the scope of implications that come along with this.

Children.

This is inexcusable. In a prison environment there is no independance. Especially in a Military prison. There is oversight and more oversight. The guilty parties and their commanders should be held liable and suffer the consequences.

I doubt this tape even exists, the judge is probably just spouting out something controversial to get attention.

Rumsfeld, among others, didn't want the tape to be released because it will "harm our image". If the tape didn't exist he wouldn't have referred to it.

This is entirely inexcusable. It is thinks like this that make us (the US, soldiers) look bad in the eyes of the world. And it is the administration's pussyfooting around "torture is good/torture is bad, mm'kay" that is helping it along.

Just disgusting.

What I don't get is..

The Evil Bush and Friends can bring down the WTC, but they can't make a comparitively minor thing (like a video) disappear. The fact that we even HEARD about this tape makes me question the very notion of this all encompassing conspiracy against the Americans by its government.

(I am not insinuating that child abuse is minor, I am comparing the WTC 'conspiracy' to not being able to hide a simple video.)

Originally posted by HankMcCoy
What I don't get is..
(I am not insinuating that child abuse is minor, I am comparing the WTC 'conspiracy' to not being able to hide a simple video.)

Well the problem is that too many people knows about the children abuse and the video was part of the rest of the evidence taken from abu Gharib but kept away from media and the population scrutinity.

Due to the nature of its content.

If anything in the video gets out to any Arab media it will become a very good tool to bring more outrage against our troops in Iraq and afghanistan.

Originally posted by HankMcCoy
What I don't get is..

The Evil Bush and Friends can bring down the WTC, but they can't make a comparitively minor thing (like a video) disappear. The fact that we even HEARD about this tape makes me question the very notion of this all encompassing conspiracy against the Americans by its government.

(I am not insinuating that child abuse is minor, I am comparing the WTC 'conspiracy' to not being able to hide a simple video.)

Different circumstances, different events, different witnesses, different results.

Not saying that there in fact is an all-encompassing conspiracy, but you can't compare apples to oranges to determine the nature of grapes. What a fruity analogy.

Going to take an act of congress and a total cou de tat to get those tapes realesed here in the USA. The tortures and rapes do not suprise me, they encourage it, they promote people based on how well they do in such matters and also on the highest kill count vs loses. As someone on another forum stated and as I have stated a year ago:
We aint seen NOTHING yet.

Syrian Sister, do you have personal knowledge of what is on the alleged tapes or of this alleged judgement? Do you know for a fact that the reported incident is accurate and complete or are you just assuming it is? The reason I ask is because of a recent incident in the media in which child abuse allegations were made against a politician, however, upon further review the alleged "child" turned out to be an 18 year old adult. If you are making judgements and statements of fact based upon allegations, then by definition, you are prejudiced.

I respectfully submit that your passion and zeal are blinding your reason and judgement. It weakens your position immeasurably. Furthermore, blaming the whole based upon the actions of a few is not only wrong, it is reprehensible. That mindset is akin to racism and has led to innumerable "witch hunts".

Originally posted by factfinder38
Even if all of this is true it is not the norm for US troops by any stretch. You have people like this all over the world and they commit these crimes every day against children. The world is getting overun by twisted people but that does not mean everyone is guilty of it.

That is very true.. this does not represent American troops at all.......

But....

This was a order given by someone.. if they acted alone....

then...

A superior did not report it... If this is true and innocent children where abused in any way the entire chain of command should be court martialed... the man or men involved should be executed, the direct superior life in prison, if it was an order and documentation can prove it, the one who sanctioned it as an act of torture (raping children in front of parents) should also be charged with murder and the rape of a minor and suffer execution.

Never should a modern army, a civilized army, a peace keeping army, the intruding army that is to act in a rational caring manor EVER act like this.. it is disgusting and appalling and needs to be dealt with in the swiftest manor regardless of political fall out or our reputation within the region nor to our allies. We have already disgraced our selves if this story is true.. il wait till the video is released (hopefully not to the public but to a court) to make any final judgement.. but IF it is true...

I am confused, what exactly was done on these tapes? Were people raped? I only heard a tad bit of information here and there about Abu Ghraib because I didn't pay much attention. But now there are children? What happened to them? And why were there children there?

Although the situation at Abu Gharib reported in the OP belongs with WOT topics, this topic is a discussion of the politics surrounding these tapes and their existence and/or release.
As such, I am moving it to PTS Politics of War:

Political issues related to current wars and the War on Terrorism

Originally posted by rwiggins
Syrian Sister, do you have personal knowledge of what is on the alleged tapes or of this alleged judgement? Do you know for a fact that the reported incident is accurate and complete or are you just assuming it is? The reason I ask is because of a recent incident in the media in which child abuse allegations were made against a politician, however, upon further review the alleged "child" turned out to be an 18 year old adult. If you are making judgements and statements of fact based upon allegations, then by definition, you are prejudiced.

I respectfully submit that your passion and zeal are blinding your reason and judgement. It weakens your position immeasurably. Furthermore, blaming the whole based upon the actions of a few is not only wrong, it is reprehensible. That mindset is akin to racism and has led to innumerable "witch hunts".

Did you actually read any of the posted links?

As a former soldier who's served in Iraq, I don't want this to be correct, but it seems to be so. Rumsfeld knows about it and has commented on it, in addition to Baker , Levine, and Snow. These people would not even have acknowledged such a thing otherwise. Most of us knew there was some form of torture of adults, however the fact that children are involved is disgusting.

Further, you have no understanding of how things work in a military prison. Actions this well-documented, lengthy, and videotaped to boot, did not go on without either orders to do so, or several someones looking the other way. It goes way beyond the sick #'s the actually did it, and the food chain needs to be followed all the way up until all who knew are courts-martialed.

I hope it turns out bogus, I really do. But somehow I don't think that's going to happen; it seems more like it will come into light hard and ugly, or get swept under the rug without comment. This is something that anyone in the White House with half a cerebrum will want publicly debunked; if they hide it, the worst is most likely true.