Israeli IAF Continues High Speed Flyovers of Lebanon

Despite warnings from the French UNIFIL soldiers that overflights are a breach of Resolution 1701, the Israelis totally disregard warnings and breach the blue lines. As they have been doing since 2005 the Israelis act as though there is no border and can act above the law. The people already under great duress from bombings over the summer are still subjected to IAF mock bombing runs at high speed over towns and villages.

Recently Israel admitted to using Phosphour weapons against the Lebanese. Although this is not illegal to use these weapons in time of war, the way the weapons were applied were illegal.

IAF jets fly over Lebanon despite French warnings

By Reuters

Israel Air Force planes swooped low over Lebanon on Monday, a day after Israel rejected a call by France's defence minister to halt violations of its neighbor's airspace.

The planes conducted mock raids over much of southern Lebanon, Reuters reported, and residents saw them flying low over the capital Beirut, but neither Hezbollah nor the Lebanese army fired anti-aircraft rounds at them as they have done in previous years.

Israeli jets have routinely flown over Lebanon since the 34-day war with Hezbollah ended on August 14 with a United Nations-sponsored truce and the expansion of a UN peacekeeping force, including a French contingent, in southern Lebanon.

The Lebanese government and the UN say the overflights, which Israel had continued to conduct after it ended its 22-year presence in south Lebanon in 2000, violate both the latest truce and the terms of Israel's earlier pullout.

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Italy and France approved the sell of Aster-15 anti-air missiles to Lebanon. This could stop Israëli aggressions... because they are one of the best anti-air missiles in the world... they can track and destroy object that fly up to 250m/sec.

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So when is Bush going to say something about this to his beloved Israel about breaking their word that they have been breaking since 2000. There were no rockets sent into Israel yet they are breaking the treaty. They don't care cause they know Bush will back them no matter how many people they kill it's always the other countries fault

Vitchilo
As this article suggests, they have already been warned and even though France brought their own missile system with them, I guess they are not going to use them against the Israelis.Its just amazing that they are basically spitting in the face of the UN (Nothing new there) and they continually get away with this. Even if more resolutions are brought against them, the US will just keep vetoing it.


Kram
Bush won't say jack to them. Especially now near election time he won't say jack. If the wrongful usage of the Cluster bombs and offensive rather then agreed upon defensive use of supplied air defense systems wasn't enough to prompt some sort of response other then a few choice words, then nothing will be said about it.

A 12 year old boy was just killed while working in his family Olive grove in Lebanon when a unexploded bomblet exploded near him, seriously injuring his younger brother and killing the 12 year old. These acts were intentional and the results will get worse over time.


Pie

by the time Bush does say something...Israel will have their way.

There is a definite trend toward "ignoring" the obvious, and while Israel plays, the Bush admin focus their attentions elsewhere.

It does not work to Bush's advantage to become an outspoken critic of Israel. Not yet anyway.

Israel is on the offensive and things will continue to get worse. For the lebanese, palestinian, syrians, Iranians...it's all a big testing ground.

That's my HO anyway.

Even though few would argue the arab world is innocent, I totally agree that Israel and its supporters are getting way too cocky for their own good. What will happen if it is proven that 911 was a mossad op for example? Sooner or later the average guy has to wake up and say that these people are out of control because they answer to no one at all on this earth.

So where are all the Bush supporters and Israeli defenders? Why so few answers to this thread? Everyone got their heads stuck in the sand and only pull them out when it suits them? Why not take a closer look at the truth:


The truth about Israel

Fett Pinkus, the only thing they can answer to the truth about Israël, is that the UN is anti-semitic and has always been against the poor little Israël... how pathetic.

The resolution that was passed is not being upheld by Hezbo and the Lebonese. Hezbo is being reamred daily and it hasnt stopped...if anything it has sped up. Unti they respect the resolution that was passed then continue to expect more flyovers by the Israelis.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
The resolution that was passed is not being upheld by Hezbo and the Lebonese. Hezbo is being reamred daily and it hasnt stopped...if anything it has sped up. Unti they respect the resolution that was passed then continue to expect more flyovers by the Israelis.

The hizbollah can't disarm, the way the ``armies`` in the middle-east are changed. Now, to win against Israël or any invader, you can't have a state army, because they have barracks, infrastructure that can be destroyed. A state army is easily defeated by Israël, but a professionnal militia hidding in the country is much more hard to defeat, because it never ends.

Let Israël have their army, and let Lebanon have their army.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Originally posted by princeofpeace
The resolution that was passed is not being upheld by Hezbo and the Lebonese. Hezbo is being reamred daily and it hasnt stopped...if anything it has sped up. Unti they respect the resolution that was passed then continue to expect more flyovers by the Israelis.

The hizbollah can't disarm, the way the ``armies`` in the middle-east are changed. Now, to win against Israël or any invader, you can't have a state army, because they have barracks, infrastructure that can be destroyed. A state army is easily defeated by Israël, but a professionnal militia hidding in the country is much more hard to defeat, because it never ends.

So..no condemnation of Hezballah and Lebanon when they ignore the UN but it's OK to dump on Israel?

Let Israël have their army, and let Lebanon have their army.

And let them use them. If Hezballah is going to hide in homes, mosques, and schools, that's where the fight will take place.

The majority of the Hizbollah were not hiding in school in the last conflict, they were in the frontlines, attacking Israëli tanks and soldiers. Maybe they launched a few missiles from cities, but you can't launch missiled when at 500 fts there's a dozens of tanks...

Hezbollah was never "disarmed" in the first place, so talk about them "rearming" is more than a little silly.

So..no condemnation of Hezballah and Lebanon when they ignore the UN but it's OK to dump on Israel?

One side is staying on it's side of the border.
The other is not.

This hasn't changed since 2000 - there is no way Hezbollah is ever going to disarm while the Israelis don't respect the border. They'd be fools if they did.

Well I'm not surprised, Israel does'nt like following the UN if it
does'nt help them.


I disaprove of Hezbollah attacking innocent Israelis, but when
they've stopped, and our staying on their side of the border,
and Israel ignores a UN resolution, and violates the sovereingty
of another nation, well I dislike any country that does that.


I'm not saying this would make me happy, but I can't say it
would make me very sad, but perhaps Iran and Israel will nuke
eachother out of existance.

Originally posted by xmotex
One side is staying on it's side of the border.
The other is not.

Last I checked, Hezbollah had neither nation nor border…

Originally posted by darkbluesky
So..no condemnation of Hezballah and Lebanon when they ignore the UN but it's OK to dump on Israel?

Well…after all, they are fighting for their survival. I suppose Hezbollah is too.

mg

To all those that just commented that the Hizbollah should first comply to the Un resolutions:

# 1955-1992:
# * Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
# * Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
# * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
# * Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
# * Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
# * Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
# * Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
# * Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
# * Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
# * Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".

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Just checkout the dates and then tell me Hizbollah should comply first, im talking about a timespan of over 50 years where Israel has not complied, but they are the Us allys so im sure that it doesnt matter does it?

Talk about being hypocritical

Last I checked, Hezbollah had neither nation nor border…

Totally irrelevant.
Hezbollah is a Lebanese militia, not the Lebanese military proper.
But they are Lebanese.

Israel's complaint is that Hezbollah is a threat to it's security, but if they stay on the Lebanese side of the border, they're not much of a threat, are they?

If Israel was a person, I'd call them "passive-agressive" - they like to claim their actions are "defensive" (and probably they even believe it), but they often seem to be the ones starting things.

Originally posted by xmotex

Israel's complaint is that Hezbollah is a threat to it's security, but if they stay on the Lebanese side of the border, they're not much of a threat, are they?

They are when they fire unguided rockets indiscriminately into Irsaeli towns.

If Israel was a person, I'd call them "passive-agressive" - they to claim their actions are "defensive" (and probably they even believe it), but they often seem to be the ones starting things.

Imagine being a member of a culture/faith thats been persecuted throughout its existence. You might have some aggression issues too.

Originally posted by xmotex
Totally irrelevant.
Hezbollah is a Lebanese militia, not the Lebanese military proper.
But they are Lebanese.

Mm k…

This statement is fully and completely baseless…I believe you know this.

Hezbollah (aka Party of God) is not only found in Lebanon now is it?… perhaps while burying one’s head in the sand Hez could be better classified as a “militia operating inside Lebanon”; but Hez can not be labeled strictly a “Lebanese Militia” this is simply far too much of an oversimplification of known facts...

Originally posted by xmotex
Israel's complaint is that Hezbollah is a threat to it's security, but if they stay on the Lebanese side of the border, they're not much of a threat, are they?

If they stay on “their side of the border”?…

...of course this makes the mandate found in their written charter: "The Necessity of Destroying Israel" a bit harder…that small point aside...now how did the summer campaign start?… despite all the attempts at spin in a dozen other threads…one can’t get away from “Operation Truthful Promise” as publicly and openly admitted by Nasrallah … a premeditated, planned, coordinated, revenge attack and kidnapping…but hey, Hezbollah did exhaust any and all diplomatic efforts first, right?…and the acts and threats stemming from Hez were strictly in Lebanon’s interests, despite the Lebanese condemnations of the acts…

" - they like to claim their actions are "defensive" (and probably they even believe it), but they often seem to be the ones starting things.

This argument could just as easily apply to Hezbollah.


mg

They are when they fire unguided rockets indiscriminately into Irsaeli towns.

A revolting tactic, but one that began after the Israelis began bombing raids into Lebanese cities.

Imagine being a member of a culture/faith thats been persecuted throughout its existence. You might have some aggression issues too.

No doubt... but it's no excuse.

missed_gear,

1) Hezbollah was founded in Lebanon, with the express purpose of repelling the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. While they have been known to operate outside of Lebanon, the vast majority of their infrastructure and operations are based there, and the vast majority of their members are Lebanese. How is it "baseless" that they're a Lebanese organization?!?

2) Nasrallah has essentially said that Hezbollah defers to the Palestinians on the issue of Israel, IE if the Palestinians can come to an agreement with Israel, Hezbollah has no right to intervene and the "necessity of the destruction of Israel" is a moot point.

3) Probably true, however to pretend the kidnapping of the Israeli soldiers was some kind of wild, out of the blue incident is absurd. The Israelis had been launching patrols and firing across the border into Lebanon since their "withdrawal" in 2000, in fact it's not even entirely certain that the capture occurred on the Israeli side of the border.

Hezbollah are by no means an innocent party, but the pretense that the Israelis are "innocent victims" of Hezbollah is absurd, and little more than transparent propaganda.


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