Iran Warns Europe of 'Revenge' for Supporting Israel

From today's Times - President Ahmadinejad warned Europe of consequences to 'support' for Israel, whilst at the same time rejecting the authority of the UN Security council to impose sanctions on Iran based on it's nuclear ambitions



So was Ahmadinejad making a speech to keep the rabble happy or does he believe this?

Is the man simply a buffoon or is he a shrewd operator who sees the US bogged down in Iraq (and possibly in need of his help in any withdrawal strategy), impotent against North Korea and incapable of thwarting his nations' nuclear ambitions?

The attack on 'Europe', which could be accused of many things apart from a united foreign policy on Israel is bizarre. Perhaps sabre-rattling against France, Germany and the UK in response to the painfully slow march to sanctions.

[edit on 21-10-2006 by UM_Gazz]

I guess this is what Europe gets for being so nice to a rogue regime in endless talks.

Anyway, I hope Europe wakes up soon, or we're going to headed for serious war that, if Iran is given enough time, could mean a new nuclear holocaust in both Israel and European cities.

I guess this is what Europe gets for being so nice to a rogue regime in endless talks.

Anyway, I hope Europe wakes up soon, or we're going to headed for serious war that, if Iran is given enough time, could mean a new nuclear holocaust in both Israel and European cities.

Can gurantee you, if Iran Nuke any European Country, if and when they git their hands on a nuke or make one. All Hell will break loose. Iran will be theone wiped of the face off the earth not Israel.

you don't need talk of nukes to understand what this means...the continued resentment and alienation of the Islamic populations of Europe is how I understood it. That in and of itself is bad enough...to have a population that feels itself 2nd class citizens, who have not intergrated themselves into the fabric of their new homes and to feel true or not that your new homes support who you precieve as your enemies...well that is a minefield waiting to happen with or without Iranian nukes.

Originally posted by grover
you don't need talk of nukes to understand what this means...the continued resentment and alienation of the Islamic populations of Europe is how I understood it. That in and of itself is bad enough...to have a population that feels itself 2nd class citizens, who have not intergrated themselves into the fabric of their new homes and to feel true or not that your new homes support who you precieve as your enemies...well that is a minefield waiting to happen with or without Iranian nukes.

The article makes no mention of what you're suggesting here grover; so your response is off-topic. But; in response to your 2nd class citizen diatribe: First class citizens accept the roles, rules, customs, and courtesies of their home nation. Maybe if Muslims assimilated and respected the rules, customs, and courtesies of their adoptive country, they wouldn't be treated like 2nd class citizens.

In response to the article: It is my sincere hope that the nutjob in Iran makes an aggressive move on anyone in Europe. We, along with most of Europe, would then be abliged to anihilate that country. Freedom_for_sum

That is an arrogant and idiotic stance and just as bad as the one the Iranian president made but I don't expect you to understand that. BTW who appointed you the decider of what is off topic?

Originally posted by grover
That is an arrogant and idiotic stance and just as bad as the one the Iranian president made but I don't expect you to understand that. BTW who appointed you the decider of what is off topic?

It is what it is!! You're response is off-topic. No appointment is necessary to make an observation of the obvious.

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
The article makes no mention of what you're suggesting here grover; so your response is off-topic. But; in response to your 2nd class citizen diatribe: First class citizens accept the roles, rules, customs, and courtesies of their home nation. Maybe if Muslims assimilated and respected the rules, customs, and courtesies of their adoptive country, they wouldn't be treated like 2nd class citizens.

- Yeah! If only someone like the American Revolutionaries only realized they were supposed to fit into Vritish law. Silly buggers. There are many ethnic people that simply do not even attempt to fit in, and I agree with what you are saying about "those" ones. However, this clearly ignores the largest percentage that do try to fit in, and do fit in, and still get treated like a second class citizens. You are right though, off topic, but IMO a bigger worry.

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
In response to the article: It is my sincere hope that the nutjob in Iran makes an aggressive move on anyone in Europe. We, along with most of Europe, would then be abliged to anihilate that country. Freedom_for_sum

Despite arm chair warriors like freedom who has a war-on and is all excited and foaming at the mouth...to attack Iran would be the height of stupidity, would drag in at least the Chinese and confirm in every Muslim's mind that we are out to destroy their culture and religion, true or not. It would severely over extend the U.S. military and would lead to a total disaster even if we "won" which is simply absurd to assume that we could. Iran is a solid and unified culture, unlike Iraq, and they would fight, make no mistake about it and it would be a blood-bath and one we would be incapable of winning, and would totally isolate us from the rest of the world highlighting who the real rogue nation really was.

I don't expect people like sum to understand these facts....but the idiotlogues in the White House have got to, and if they don't, have no business being there.

If we either attack Iran unprovoked or diliberately provoke them into attacking us so we can reltilate...we prove once and for all that we are not the world's number one superpower, but its number one stupid power.

[edit on 21-10-2006 by grover]

[edit on 21-10-2006 by grover]

Back on topic, the fact that Iran celebrates a "Jerusalem Day" speaks of it's true nature. Issuing threats to the world is remindful of Little Kim's rhetoric.

You don't go around threatening the world if you want to be a part of the community of nations. It is bound to have the opposite effect of what you are seeking.

Originally posted by jsobecky
You don't go around threatening the world if you want to be a part of the community of nations. It is bound to have the opposite effect of what you are seeking.

Yeah, like saying "You're with us, or you are with the terrorists".

This story has MEMRI written all over it. I wonder what President Ahmadinejad actually said. Im sure he flatly threatend violence to Iran's traditional support base of Europe. The Zionists really do take the majority of us Westerners for complete morons. (They arent far wrong either by the looks)

America couldn't prevent New Delhi, Islamabad, or Pyongyang from joining the nuclear club, so who actually expects Iran to be different when it has been labeled as evil and is threatened with tactical nuclear strikes?

Some will have us believe if we bomb and kill the Iranians like dumb animals, the remaining Persians will magically bow down, start kissing Ronald McDonald's feet, and welcome an Iraq style corporate plundering. Meanwhile, Russia and China will sit on the sidelines and sing Kumbaya as their lucrative contracts go poof.

Nuclear carrot and stick approach doomed: Iran

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Tactical success guarantees nothing...





[edit on 22-10-2006 by Regenmacher]

If you believe that you are just plain foolish...I know quite a few Iranian's and they are an intelligent, cultured and a deeply proud people...no dumb animals these (and that is an ignorant metaphor to use about any people....you could just as easily describe Americans as fat cattle chewing their cuds while watching TV and discussing the important affairs of the day like who will be the next contestant to be bumped from American Ego.) If we drop the bomb on anyone short of absolute and no uncertian self-defense we prove to the world just who the real dumb brutes are.

More than anything the very fact that we are sending a battle group into the Persian gulf speaks volumes about Republican desperation about this election cycle than anything. To want to provoke or create a "Remember the Maine" is the height of cynicism.

Originally posted by grover
If you believe that you are just plain foolish...

Read it again, you missed the point entirely.

It is to emphasize that some here (not I) believe forced submission by way of mass murder is the best answer, even though history has shown all of us that Americans haven't and wouldn't tolerate such measures applied to them. The Golden rule seems to been flushed down the toilet by some, were even animals tend to have more empathy.

Here's the other side of the fence:




[edit on 22-10-2006 by Regenmacher]

Originally posted by Regenmacher

Originally posted by grover
If you believe that you are just plain foolish...

The pitiful part is that some here believe forced submission by way of mass murder is the best answer, even though history has shown all of us that Americans haven't and wouldn't tolerate such measures applied to them.

It would be helpful if "some here" would identify just what they believe that is so foolish, or who is reccommending forced submission by way of mass murder. Because it's impossible to answer the first (unless you go with the traditional interpretation that a nameless allegation is an answer to the immediately previous poster, in which case grover was responding to Regenmacher), and I have seen no evidence here of the second allegation.

C'mon guys, a little help here!

Originally posted by djohnsto77
I guess this is what Europe gets for being so nice to a rogue regime in endless talks.

Anyway, I hope Europe wakes up soon, or we're going to headed for serious war that, if Iran is given enough time, could mean a new nuclear holocaust in both Israel and European cities.

well, you can't blame us.

we in Europe have been to war so many times that we are sick of it. Plus the French Government have passed a law that allows them to retilate with nuclear weapons if they are attacked by nuclear/chemical weapons (it goes for terrorism as well. they will attack the Country the terrorist are from).

And if Iran did attack any European Country, we will do what we all did during the Colonal Empire days. Invade that Country and split it up among ourselves

Originally posted by jsobecky
I have seen no evidence here of the second allegation.

C'mon guys, a little help here!

"Some here" is a generalization, if you feel that statement is a threat to your ego, then it's up to you to figure out why that is.

Bush doctrine believers see pre-emption attacks on perceived threats and using military force unilaterally aka bombing them into submission as solutions. Were as, the Bush doctrine foments insurrection from any nation that feels it threatens their liberty.

Originally posted by Regenmacher

Bush doctrine believers see pre-emption attacks on perceived threats and using military force unilaterally aka bombing them into submission as solutions. Were as, the Bush doctrine foments insurrection from any nation that feels it threatens their liberty.

or how about...

Imagine yourself a proud homeowner. You're outside admiring your house, or perhaps it's just a hovel, but you take a bit of pride in it. Along comes some guy from across town or the next city or even a few states over. He says "Man, what a dump. I'm going to fix that for you." And he pulls out some grenades, lobs them into your home and then, while you stare in horrified fascination at your exploding domicile, he proceeds to blow up the water line and cut your phone wires. And then he says, "Man, you've got about two minutes to put that fire out before your place is gone for good. I'd like to help but you might get dependent on me. By the way, shouldn't you be pulling your wife and kids out of there instead of standing around gawking? See ya."

Words fail. We're the subjects of monsters. They're not going to morph into angels or even normal fallible well-intentioned human beings overnight.

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I still say it's never too late to get a conscience.

They can be next on the list, and if no one likes that TOO BAD!


They deserve what they get, and they will get what they deserve.


The global players are running out of time, and these BS arse jacked games are not going to last much longer. The poli tics are running out of time, and so are those involved with them, they have to shape up, or ship out.

If I had it my way, all would be shipped out.

Originally posted by jsobecky

Originally posted by Regenmacher

Originally posted by grover
If you believe that you are just plain foolish...

The pitiful part is that some here believe forced submission by way of mass murder is the best answer, even though history has shown all of us that Americans haven't and wouldn't tolerate such measures applied to them.

It would be helpful if "some here" would identify just what they believe that is so foolish, or who is reccommending forced submission by way of mass murder. Because it's impossible to answer the first (unless you go with the traditional interpretation that a nameless allegation is an answer to the immediately previous poster, in which case grover was responding to Regenmacher), and I have seen no evidence here of the second allegation.

C'mon guys, a little help here!

["In response to the article: It is my sincere hope that the nutjob in Iran makes an aggressive move on anyone in Europe. We, along with most of Europe, would then be abliged to anihilate that country. Freedom_for_sum