NEWS: US Claims Control Of OUTERSPACE!

Unless the US can initiate an entire orbital blokade of Earth and control all high and low altitude airspace on the Earth I very much doubt they can enfore this policy XD

Originally posted by JackJuice

Thank god we finally did this, it's impossible to keep a nation secure with one hand tied behind your back(not that his will make us more secure). Plus we need to get more private buisness into space so that someday it's cheap enough for me to make the trip

US arrogance is just unbeleivable. So space is now the property of the US.

All this will do is make even more nations hostile towards the US. Taking into account the 'Star Wars' shield - It may even start another arms race / Cold War.

The US seems to want total protection from any kind of attack which gives the option of a first strike by the US possible. That's how Russia / China will see it.

Why do we need to encourage more private business in space? The planet has enough problems without cheap space travel adding to our woes with even more crap being emitted into the atmosphere.

Originally posted by NeoSocialist
US arrogance is just unbeleivable. So space is now the property of the US.

All this will do is make even more nations hostile towards the US. Taking into account the 'Star Wars' shield - It may even start another arms race / Cold War.

The US seems to want total protection from any kind of attack which gives the option of a first strike by the US possible. That's how Russia / China will see it.

Why do we need to encourage more private business in space? The planet has enough problems without cheap space travel adding to our woes with even more crap being emitted into the atmosphere.

If you are the top country in the world economically, politically, and militarily, dont you want to keep the edge you already have. If you dont keep improving and just sit on your hands as a country, then someone will move up to take your place, thats how the US sees it. Its not arrogance, just the way it is.

Moving private business into space will change the way we travel in the next 50 years or so, and I hope I'm around when that day comes. When we can make it around the world in 45 minutes, I would be all for it, wouldnt you? You got to admit it would be damn cool too. And how exactly would it be adding to the polution problem? If a majority of the trip is spent outside the atmosphere?

[edit on 10/19/2006 by ludaChris]

Originally posted by ludaChris
If you are the top country in the world economically, politically, and militarily, dont you want to keep the edge you already have. If you dont keep improving and just sit on your hands as a country, then someone will move up to take your place, thats how the US sees it. Its not arrogance, just the way it is.

No, the arrogance in question is not the fact that America wishes to remain topdog.
The arrogance is the fact that one nation is exercising power over, and restricting the actions over the rest of the world. That is 191 other countries. Not a single person in any of those countries voted for The current american administration. Not a single person in any of those countries had the right to vote for current american administration. The current american administration has NO right to control them. Yet current american administration seems to think that they do. THIS is what is arrogant.

If you dont keep improving and just sit on your hands as a country, then someone will move up to take your place, thats how the US sees it.

Improving? Give me a break. Restricting the rest of the world from improvment does not mean you are improving yourself.

On a side note:

And how exactly would it be adding to the polution problem? If a majority of the trip is spent outside the atmosphere?

Most of the power is used inside the Earth's athmosphere. Once you exit it, momentum and gravity(and the lack thereof) allow you to glide effortlessly. Any energy used outside of the athmosphere would be sprays of air to navigate.

im 100% agree with u Gear, i also think that the space is a common thing that not just the U.S. but all the countries of this planet share, wheter or not u have the technology to explore it, i also think that a single country can't make such desicion by his on.
what is next for us? we would have to pay the US for the use of oxygen?

[edit on 19/10/06 by vertexc]

[edit on 19/10/06 by vertexc]

i am wondering why there is no reply from russia/china or EU for this comment?

Originally posted by netscape
i am wondering why there is no reply from russia/china or EU for this comment?

Because they feel the same way the US does. I'm sure they have very similar policies about their space "interests". They would sound very hypocritical if they argued with the US over this.

I disagree with Gear's interpretation that the wording: "interests" includes "concepts". If the wording is that broad based then the UN would have a special session called immediately to chide the US over it's claim of all of outerspace. The spookiest thing about this policy is the nuclear powered spacecraft ones, the UN should address that issue. The rest of this policy seems very similar to past policies unless you want to see into it more than is stated. That's Gear's opinion.


There is more to the policy than the US defending it's equipment...like the US working with other countries in space PEACEFULLY. Funny how this is being skipped over by some. Read the policy.

[edit on 19/10/06 by Atomic]

Some people on here are so freakin stupid. I dont think anywhere did the USA claim territory in space!!! DUH. I think what we said was we are going to deny the use of space for hostile purposes. And as the previous poster exoplained, the reason we dont hear anything from China, Russia, EU etc is because they have the same policy.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Some people on here are so freakin stupid. I dont think anywhere did the USA claim territory in space!!! DUH. I think what we said was we are going to deny the use of space for hostile purposes. And as the previous poster exoplained, the reason we dont hear anything from China, Russia, EU etc is because they have the same policy.

But at the same time using space for their own hostile purposes ??

PS I'm not stupid - I just enjoy stirring things up!


[edit on 20-10-2006 by NeoSocialist]

Weapons in space? - We're saved then?

Yay, a space arms race, I think that should worry the aliens alot when mankind brings our "wars" to their front doors with our space warships. Looks like no one will be safe from mankind.

So that's why they want to keep us on this planet, heheheheeee....

Originally posted by Atomic
Because they feel the same way the US does. I'm sure they have very similar policies about their space "interests". They would sound very hypocritical if they argued with the US over this.

Yes, they want to protect their interests. It's only natural. But protect It's interests from what? As to this date there has been no incident where a nation has sent anything into orbit with the intent of tampering with rival nation's satellites.
But the idea of one nation deciding who may and who may not be allowed to go into space is simply ludacris and offensive. I have said most of this before.

Originally posted by Atomic
I disagree with Gear's interpretation that the wording: "interests" includes "concepts". If the wording is that broad based then the UN would have a special session called immediately to chide the US over it's claim of all of outerspace. The spookiest thing about this policy is the nuclear powered spacecraft ones, the UN should address that issue.

Yeah...on retrospect I see that the term 'interests' wouldn't be so undefined.
But then offtopic and on a different note... The UN never gets anything done immediately. There is always disagreement which leads to delay. Most of the time the 'conflict of interests' "reslove themselves. Look at Iraq. Claims were made about WMD. No WMD were found by the UN officials. US isn't happy. Sends there own people. This caused problems. US doesn't find anything. US still isn't happy. US proposes to declare war if WMD aren't brought forward. UN discusses. US invades.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Some people on here are so freakin stupid. I dont think anywhere did the USA claim territory in space!!! DUH. I think what we said was we are going to deny the use of space for hostile purposes.

You dare insult people and call them stupid?!
Look at what you posted. I put them in bold for you. What you contributed was an opinion and only an opinion by your admission. Don't call people stupid, especially when your own contribution is nothing more than opinion.
And FYI...

I think what we said was we are going to deny the use of space for hostile purposes.

No. US themselves can use space for hostile purposes, but are restricting access to space to anyone else that they feel might have the intent of doing so.

Regardless of the legal verbage incurred in these documents, one asks, relative to my own opinion that is, what occurs when we realize that we don't share this space of ours with our subject neighbours on Earth and that there are perhaps more sentient beings traversing the infinite spaces?

Luxifero

Thanks for backing me up Gear - you manage to say what I would like to say so much better !

Originally posted by NeoSocialist
Why do we need to encourage more private business in space? The planet has enough problems without cheap space travel adding to our woes with even more crap being emitted into the atmosphere.

Either way this planet is going to be wrecked within a few hundred years at the most.
Long term homo sapien survival depends on colonizing space. It's going to take a long time to develop the technologies and make it affordable. Might as well get started now.

Originally posted by Gear

But the idea of one nation deciding who may and who may not be allowed to go into space is simply ludacris and offensive. I have said most of this before.

Where is this idea in the policy stated?


If you are referring to this part of the policy:
"...and deny, if necessary, adversaries the use of space capabilities hostile to national interests"

I don't see that as stopping other countries from going into space. I can see if you mistrust the US, and fear that they will pull this line out to justify an attack on say a Chinese or future Iranian rocket that has a suspicious satellite with a powerful laser on it, then you may have a point. But to claim the US will shoot down everyone that goes out into space just because the US deems them not a space buddy with space travel permissions is not going to happen.

The US people aren't going to put up with a policy that bans other countries from space. Plus Bush is at such low approval ratings of 35% that any policy that did wouldn't last into the next administration. Bush Jr, wants to be just like Reagan and allow for testing of lasers and missles to shoot down nuclear warheads...that's the point behind most of the tough talk in the policy.

If the US shoots down the next Chinese astronaut in space, then we'll know this policy is as evil and fearful as some think...I don't think that's going to happen. And actually some Russians from what I read are excited about this policy because it may mean more money for the Russian space program as partners with the US.

BushCo wants to have charge of space, so let's SEND THEM THERE....ASAP!
Bush is asking for the ULTIMATE TURF WAR.....SPACE!
Maybe Bush will get in trouble over this idea and have to hire DENNY CRANE (Wm. Shatner) to get him out of it!
Actually, NO ONE owns space. It is like the middle of each the ocean. No one owns them.



[edit on 21-10-2006 by Imzadi]

Back in the days before we had airplanes to travel through the skys, and ships to travel through the waters everything was based upon the land. We soon found out that if we were not able to defend our lands somebody was going to come through and take over. We learned that we needed some sort of army to defend our lands. This didn't mean that we had to go taking over everyones lands, this just provided us protection. With this protection we could travel to other lands, trade goods, and visit others without having to worry about being attacked on the way.

Years later we found out that we could travel the seas. We could sail to lands far away to trade visit and all that good stuff. We soon found out that we couldn't just sail across the seas without protection so we had to build navys to protect our ships. We didn't have to go sailing around taking over new lands, we just needed some protection.

Then, once again, years later the plane was invented to travel through the air. As advances in technology became availble we were able to travel to other countrys to do all that good stuff mentioned before. We found out that we couldn't just go flying around because sooner or later we would fly into someone who wanted to shoot our planes down. This is why we had to build an airforce.

Each one of these events expanded our means of trade and travel to say the least about what they have to offer. They do however give us new ways to attack other nations. Given the power to attack we also had the power to defend.

Now, we have opened our eyes to something bigger is space. We have gained massive amounts through space and the time come to the point where we need to protect our space interests. I believe it was a few months ago when a Chines navel ship docked in an American port. There were threads here talking about what was going on. This is because people realize what threats can come from the waters and when an countrys military ship enters our waters people start to wonder. This gose for airspace as well.

I believe the same things will happen with the space program. Nobody controls the seas but we sure do have places where we know we shouldn't be.

Would we rather just not developing at all? We could all play with clubs and live in the stone ages.

Welcome to the next step! Sure tragic things might happen like the titantic, but there are always mistakes when exploring new things. I am excited to see where things are going. Don't live in fear, look for the good in things and strive to get there.

Styki

Well this is interesting.

I was actually waiting for this to pop up, and after waiting a couple of days I posted a thread in ATS Weapons section.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm surprised to find this topic discussed in Space Exploration section, because "National Space Policy" is exactly the opposite of space exploration, in fact it's armed space colonization.

Clinton's policy included the following;

Clinton's top goals were to "enhance knowledge of the Earth, the solar system and the universe through human and robotic exploration" and to "strengthen and maintain the national security of the United States."

The Clinton policy also said that the United States would develop and operate "space control capabilities to ensure freedom of action in space" only when such steps would be "consistent with treaty obligations." The Bush policy accepts current international agreements but states: "The United States will oppose the development of new legal regimes or other restrictions that seek to prohibit or limit U.S. access to or use of space."

That's exactly what space exploration is, while Bush is clearly pushing for yet another space arms race in order to deny space to Chinese ambitions.

Such blatant aggression and hypocrisy sickens any self respecting intellect.

look on the bright side, we will at least get a sequel of team america.

"team america 2 - space cadets"