F22 vs Eurofighter vs SU37 who wins the Dogfight.

I know u can't really have a 3-way dogfight...well mabey u can but of these 3 planes which is better, which would win. I know riussia does not have the cast to mass produece these things, but if the sky was full of equal numbers of these things, or one on one which would be victorious?? I think the SU37, but the Eurofighter looks the coolest.

I saw a documentary about the EF-2000

F-22 Raptor < EF-2000 Eurofighter

The Su-37 looks better than the F-22 and EF-2000.

This is not SU-37. This is S-37 here .

added:
By the way, range of the missiles, radars, pilot skills and targeting systems play a major role in any dogfight. So it is very, very hard to say who will win.
In any case, it would be good idea to visit some of the AVIA forums. I am sure there were debates about that there.

[Edited on 9-11-2003 by GEX]

Thats S-37 Berkut allright..

And if i am not totally wrong its projected SU- number is 47..

"Raptor".........


regards
seekerof

EF2000 of course.

For sure, the Raptor, there are many more tricks up its sleeve than the public will ever know. It is a great fighter indeed.

The Raptor, as the other two fighters would be dead before they even knew it was there.... However, if stealth was compromised, and using just guns, then the SU-47 would win. However, other than both electronic, and material stealth, you've also got the most advanced avionics, and weapons systems on the Raptor....so there ya go....

The Euro fighter is pretty, and not unimpressive, but it would be knocked out of the sky by either of the two other fighters.....

An AC-130 with a laser cannon would blow all of them out the sky.

Sorry, I'm ranting a bit. Must hit the books. Exam in three days. Must avert impending catastrophe...

Deffinately the SU-47. Thrust-vectoring nozzles combined with forward-sweapt wings

F-22 all the way, baby

The F-22 would win the long range contest which is the norm for air combat nowadays, but the dogfight is not the same thing as the long range contest, the F-22 is not as maneuverable close in as the other 2 are, in a short range close in dogfight i would put my money on the EF2000, it's highly maneuverable, but it's also smaller then the Su-47, which also plays a factor.

Overall the F-22 would beat both of them, dogfights rarely happen anymore and long range the F-22 is un-beatable

Why do people keep asking questions like these?

It's impossible to accurately determine which aircraft will perform the best and blast the other two out of the sky without actual trials.

There are just too many factors that are involved when it comes to aircraft. The pilot is the main thing. The stress factors (glare, redouts, blackouts, alertness, etc..) that he goes through plays a major role in how well he can handle the iarcraft. There's a whole bunch of other things that matter that I'm too lazy to list at the moment...

Each aircraft does something better than the other two, so you really can't compare them, like apples and oranges, except this time you're adding another fruit, umm, apricots???

putting a little disclaimer on this and alll further of my replies on posts of this type - my opinions are always "all else is equal" which means skill of pilots and maintance of aircraft, they also take into account projected load-out of aircraft in the countries they serve

~The sweet F-22 baby. They are expenisve for a reason

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Look at my post.

The S-37 Berkut will win hands down.

Nobody can get a Berkut.

Its the best fighter ever made.



S-37 Berkut Specifications

Primary Function: N/A

Contractor: Sukhoi

Crew: One

Unit Cost: N/A

Powerplant
two Aviadvigatel D-30F6 afterburning turbofans at 68,340 lb (303.8 kN) each (original) two Saturn/ Lyul'ka AL-37FU afterburning turbofans at 63,930 lb (284.4 kN) each w/ afterburner (planned)

Dimensions

Length: 72.83 ft (22.60 m)

Wingspan: 74.00 ft (16.70 m)

Height: 19.33 ft (5.90 m)

Weights

Empty: N/A

Maximum Takeoff: 74,955 lb (34,000 kg)

Performance

Speed: 1,555 mph (2,500 km/h)

Ceiling: 61,680 ft (18,800 m)

Range: 2,100 nm (3,880 km) -- typical

Armament
14 hard points




[Edited on 11-11-2003 by Russian]

Lets do the math:
Su-37/S-37 is: "Simonov stated that the new Sukhoi fighter will be a multirole aircraft, and would be able to operate from aircraft carriers as well. Sukhoi officials insist that the S-37 is not a prototype for the new operational fighter. They emphasize that the S-37 is strictly an experimental platform, but add that its technology will be leveraged into the new design."
Link:
www.faqs.org...
(scroll to the bottom)


As for the Eurofighter...close but no cigar....look at this report:
"The Gray Threat"
Link:
www.afa.org...

Excerpt:
"Fighter (Origin) Effectiveness Score Inferred Exchange Ratio"
F-22 (US) .91 10:1
EF-2000 (European) .82 4.5:1
F-15F (US) .60 1.5:1
Rafale (France) .50 1:1
F-15C (US) .43 1:1.3
F/A-18E/F (US) .25 1:3
F/A-18C (US) .21 1:3.8
F-16C (US) .21 1:3.8


Very informative article with charts, etc.
None of these cover the advent of the JSF...F-35.

BTW: Here is another brief factoid that many seem to overlook or simply neglect to heed:
"This becomes more evident in a BVR engagement. In fact, the F-22 can launch an AMRAAM missile without even establishing a lock-on. The unfortunate target won't even receive a missile inbound warning until the missile has activated its own radar and is on final intercept. By this period, it is almost impossible to evade the missile. The pilot will have no other choice but to eject."
Link:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and....
f22rap.virtualave.net...

Conclusion......
You might detect 'a' Raptor, but be assurd, as per the dinosaurs of old, you will not see the other(s) that has/have detected you...all the while, your merrily closing in on the one you did (notice the past tense use) detect.



regards
seekerof

[Edited on 13-11-2003 by Seekerof]

Th raptor would shoot them down before they could see it!!!!!!!!!!! So I'm going with raptor all the way

Originally posted by Zion Mainframe
Deffinately the SU-47. Thrust-vectoring nozzles combined with forward-sweapt wings

The Su-47 does not have thrust vectoring nozzels. The Su-37 does but not the Su-47.

I would have to go with the F/A-22. Also this article www.afa.org... was writen in 1995. I believe that the American fighters are alot better than they say. It kinda says something when countries are finally after 30 years building planes that the US is ready the retire.