Does America Have The Right...(Nuclear Weapons)

do america have a right to stop nations researching into nuclear technology afterall america is the ONLY nation to have:-

1) ever used the atom bomb

2) one of 2 nations who as threatened to use atomic weapons (cold war)

3) and probably the only country actually stupid enough to use them again

therefore is it hypocritcal of them to say which nation should/and shouldn't research into nuclear technology?

i can understand why nations like north korea and iran would want to develop these kind of weapons to defend themselfs from the threat of the united states the way they've been acting after 9/11 (i'm sure you can too if you look from their perspective).

but me myself i'm not too keen on the idea of india developing into this kind of technology (and the US is helping them with it)

therefore what gives the united states the right to say who should and shouldn't research into nuclear technology

[edit on 11-10-2006 by Sepiroth]

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[edit on 11-10-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

OF course America has the right! Were the American Empire! Wake UP! Whos gonna stop these insane nations and their waco leaders from creating atom bombs and giving them to terrorsit thugs? Who? I will tell you. The leader of the free world. The American Empire will.

Originally posted by Sepiroth
do america have a right to stop nations researching into nuclear technology

The U.S. is not stupid enough to use them and trying to prevent the wacko-freaks like Kim Jong Il from using them.


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[edit on 11-10-2006 by mrwupy]

Yes because it is only America who has problems with these particular nations developing nuclear weapons. The rest of the world is just standing behind North Korea and Iran in solidarity, hurray for tyranny!

You must separate the problems of the current administration from the spread of nuclear weapons. Just because you disagree with the United State's current opinion on who should have nuclear tech does not mean we should start handing out the ability to produce nuclear weapons to any outlaw government.

therefore what gives the united states the right to say who should and shouldn't research into nuclear technology

Your okay with Iran and North Korea having a nuke but not India? Sounds kind of strange.

And why would you say the US is the only nation stupid enough to use them again? Where is your proof that the US would use nuclear weapons? You have none and are just bashing.

Originally posted by Nihilist Fiend
Yes because it is only America who has problems with these particular nations developing nuclear weapons. The rest of the world is just standing behind North Korea and Iran in solidarity, hurray for tyranny!

You must separate the problems of the current administration from the spread of nuclear weapons. Just because you disagree with the United State's current opinion on who should have nuclear tech does not mean we should start handing out the ability to produce nuclear weapons to any outlaw government.

What rest of the world are you talking about?!

The rest of the world is not standing behind them! But I will admit that the rest of the world does not care unless it personally involves them.

But! BECAUSE the US is the superpower in the world, this means everyone hates them... and because everyone hates them (because they are the worlds superpower) things like this involve the US directly.

Nuclear weapons are a very very tricky subject. The bottom line is that NO country should EVER have a nuclear weapon as it is the only weapon in it's class that can literally wipe out life on Earth forever (bioweapons come second, you know that). I'm all for defenses, but nuclear weapons are pure insanity even though if your enemy has one, you better have two.

Problem: You can't simply get rid of nuclear weapons. If the world decided to all-together get rid of nuclear weapons... that still leaves the variable of scientists with horrible ethics to give their information to a terrorist group. Then what? The only way to battle nuclear weapons is to bring up the whole world to a level of sanity and freedom. The easier route is to just get more nuclear weapons, and this has been the policy. The second the nuke was thought up on Earth, was the second the countdown began to our destruction. Will you stand around and wait? Take action, and support groups like NTI.

You can't blame America for having nukes. You can't blame Russia for having nukes. You can't blame countries for wanting what nuclear technology has to offer. You can however, take constructive action, and realize the clock is ticking. Personally, i'm not afraid of NK or Iran attacking us. I would be deathly terrified of a rouge terrorist group, or some similar group not necessarily "holy-war" oriented hurting us, or bribing us via force by nukes. For as scary and real nuclear weapons are, i'm suprised the world isn't screaming out their lungs because of how unsecured certain nuclear facilities in the former-USSR have become. This is a real situation, and however hard it might be to contain it, it must be contained. Write your congressman, write your UN ambas., write ANYONE that can help contain former-USSR nuclear facilities via financial help, personel help, or persuasive "look buddy this will happen and hurt us all!" speak.

Originally posted by Techsnow


What rest of the world are you talking about?!

The rest of the world is not standing behind them!

My apologies, I was using sarcasm to illustrate the absurdity of the posters argument.

@ Nihilist Fiend

I wasn't being sarcastic and I don't know what you are talking about.

Please tell me how the rest of the world is standing behind NK and Iran... b/c they arn't.

Like I said, the rest of the world may not care, but that doesn't mean they are standing behind them!


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[edit on 11-10-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
Your okay with Iran and North Korea having a nuke but not India? Sounds kind of strange.

And why would you say the US is the only nation stupid enough to use them again? Where is your proof that the US would use nuclear weapons? You have none and are just bashing.

did i say i'm ok with NK and iran having nuclear weapons? the point i was making is whats so speical about india to these nations? (even israell) many people say if you diarm israel all the tensions in the middle-east will be gone, yet the US armed israel during the lebanon conflict

"Where is your proof that the US would use nuclear weapons?"... how can i PROVE something is going to happen (i am no nostrdomist) all i said was "probably" use them again and i stick to my guns with that

as said it was only 15 years ago they was stuck in the cold war/the united states have fought and fighting 2 wars at present... i have no doubt they would use them again if need be.

Word homie. I think the rest of the world is needing extra TP at this point... do you realize how bad this is going to get? CHINA is even mad about NK right now... the country that harvestes organs from alive prisoners lol. This is horrible...

Originally posted by Techsnow


I wasn't being sarcastic and I don't know what you are talking about.

Please tell me how the rest of the world is standing behind NK and Iran... b/c they arn't.

Again my English must not be spot on. I WAS BEING SARCASTIC. No, there is no one in support of North Korea or Iran having nuclear weapons. For the original poster to contend that the United States was out of line in it's objection to these nations having nuclear tech is to disregard the sentiments of the world community.

Originally posted by Sepiroth
many people say if you diarm israel all the tensions in the middle-east will be gone, yet the US armed israel during the lebanon conflict

And if you believe that then you need a better understanding of history and the Middle East conflict in general.

Originally posted by Sepiroth
i can understand why nations like north korea and iran would want to develop these kind of weapons to defend themselfs from the threat of the united states the way they've been acting after 9/11 (i'm sure you can too if you look from their perspective).

but me myself i'm not too keen on the idea of india developing into this kind of technology (and the US is helping them with it)

therefore what gives the united states the right to say who should and shouldn't research into nuclear technology

[edit on 11-10-2006 by Sepiroth]

Would you feel safer if all nations had nuclear weapons? If your answer is no then which nations do you think should have nuclear capability?

Do you think that no nations should have nuclear weapons? If your answer is yes then are you okay with the conventional weapons that will be born out of a worldwide no nuke pact? How will all the nations be policed to make sure they are complying? You should read Tom Clancy's "Red Storm Rising", it's about a conventional US/USSR war. Gave me nightmares for weeks. What if one nation refuses to disarm? Hmmm maybe the UN can step in?

You ask this question as if there is a simple answer that will end up with some kind of peaceful planet. It's just not the case. Countries will always protect their borders and their resources. A truly nasty high tech conventional weapon can be just as terrifying and damaging as a nuke. Do some research on FAE bombs (fuel air explosives), if you are at ground zero you wouldn't know the difference between that and a nuke.

I'm afraid the nuke cat is out of the bag. Now all we can do is try to keep crazy midgets and religious fanatics from developing them and using them.

Originally posted by Sepiroth
do america have a right to stop nations researching into nuclear technology

Why don't you ask China, Japan, and South Korea, just for starters?

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[edit on 2006/10/11 by GradyPhilpott]

my answer would be no nations should have nuclear capablity, but again i relitrate the point what gives the united states to the right to say who should and who shouldn't have these weapons just because it suits their interests?

afterall they (US) have the worst track record in dealing with these weapons (using and threating to use)...if they really wanted to stop these nations getting nuclear weapons why did they not aim for iran/korea before iraq?

afterall iran/n.korea are the 'only' 2 nations out of the 3 who have actaully 'ADMITTED' into researching nuclear technology....saddam always denied the claim iraq was researching/or had these weapons (and at the moment he seems to be right)

summary those claims by george bush and the main reason why it took america/britain (other nations) to war was because of saddam and NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!

thats now proved 'not' the case....so then the question must be asked 'why did bush let 2 other tyrants press/pressing ahead with research more'? (never stopped them in iraq)

(answer) because america dare not go it alone with korea or iran!! *cough* quote from George Bush before the iraq conflict:-

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(2003)

"we will disarm saddam even if we haveto go it alone"
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(2006)

*korea tests nuclear weapon*

"The United States remains committed to diplomacy"
"work with our allies"

www.cnn.com...
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thats why i do not trust:-
1) what george bush says
2) americas attitude on foreign policy in general
3) america with nuclear weapons

and last but not least, america saying who should and who shouldn't research into nuclear technology

[edit on 11-10-2006 by Sepiroth]

did i say i'm ok with NK and iran having nuclear weapons? the point i was making is whats so speical about india to these nations?

Maybe a stable government? See...India developed their nukes in 1998 for example. Yet now that North Korea has nuclear weapons, they are saying they will set off a nuclear missile, and will declare war if sanctions are imposed. It is about responsibility and maturity. Some countries just don't have it.

If Germany, Japan, or Sweden wanted nuclear weapons, that would be different now wouldn't it?

as said it was only 15 years ago they was stuck in the cold war/the united states have fought and fighting 2 wars at present... i have no doubt they would use them again if need be.

You've just named every nuclear power. Every nuclear power would use them again "if need be".

Hmm, depends what time period your talking here.
Does the USA deserve to have nuclear weapons in todays administration?
Hell no.
They have made drastic calls based on flawed intellegence which have resulted in death and destruction.
If they are that brason, and that reckless, then no.. They dont deserve the right for nuclear weapons because they have already stuffed up badly once.
Giving them a second chance with these still in there aresenal is EXTREMELY risky.

BUT, prior to the bush administration the US showed extreme restraint, and often relied on conventional means even tho they had these weapons.
So prior to the bush admin, YES.. they had the right, because they proved they could control this great power, and not become over zealous.

Unfortuantely, once you've got them.. u cant simply take them away.
Its up to the American public to ensure the proper people are in charge of these weapons..

Unfortunately, they were asleep at the wheel, to slack... they allowed corporations and war profiters to have more influence on political elections than the original BASE... the people.

You reap what you sow.
And the american public have sowed GW Bush.
Unfortunately the world has to REAP the consequences.

Sep...baby listen.

1. We created them
2. We are a big part of the reason your not goosestepping to work everyday.
3. We are a BIG reason your not bowing to the emp of japan.
4. We saved alot of american lives using the atomic bomb (after all its war and better them than me )
5. Call us stupid but who won?

hmm, i'll just step in here....

Originally posted by GiantPanda1979
Sep...baby listen.

1. We created them (no britain did most researching into atomic weapons do a search on the 'tube alloys' project which eventually esculated into 'the manhattan project' ^worked on by mostly british it's commonwealth scientists^ )
2. We are a big part of the reason your not goosestepping to work everyday.. (what makes you say that?

i don't remember britain surrendering or being invaded during ww2 + we fought from beginning to end fighting both the germans and the italians on our own for 2 years after france surrendered, thats pride for you

)

3. We are a BIG reason your not bowing to the emp of japan. (the british empire helped you out fighting the emp of japan, our war was with nazis besides when america used the atom bomb many people thought the war was already over...america wanted to test out its new toy

)
4. We saved alot of american lives using the atomic bomb (after all its war and better them than me

) (see above post)
5. Call us stupid but who won?

(there's no winners in war, just survivors)

but i guess i can see why many people fear america, due to the mentality of 'americans' in general, as seen by you and 'techsnow' in the 2nd reply

[edit on 11-10-2006 by st3ve_o]