Penis Size & Race: An explanation

At the risk of being banned, I found this information, and frankly, it was just too good to pass up.

There is a anthropoligical theory as to why blacks have -- on average -- larger penis and scrotum sizes than whites, who on average, have larger penis and scrotum sizes than asians.

The basis of the theory has to do with evolutionary promiscuity: African ancestors were more promiscuous than the caucasian ancestors, who were also more promiscuous than the Asians......

"The ethnographic record [e.g., A French Army Surgeon (1898/1972), a 30-year specialist in genitourinary diseases] makes reference to numerous anatomical distinctions which show a similar pattern of whites being between blacks and Orientals. These include the placement of female genitals (Orientals front and high; blacks back and low); angle and texture of erection (Orientals parallel to body and stiff, blacks at right angles to body and flexible); salient buttocks, breasts, and muscularity (Orientals least, blacks most); and size of genitalia (Orientals smallest, blacks largest).

We averaged the ethnographic data on erect penis and found the means to approximate: Orientals, 4 to 5.5 in. in length and 1.25 in. in diameter; Caucasions, 5.5 to 6 in. in length and 1.5 in. in diameter; blacks, 6.25 to 8 in. in length and 2 in. in diameter. Women were proportionate to men, with Orientals having smaller vaginas and blacks larger ones, relative to Caucasians. Clitoral size differed in length: in European women, 1.2 in.; in African women, 2 in. variations were noted; in French West Indies, the size of the penis and vagina covaried with amount of black admixture; Arab men, who were often mixed with black, had larger penises than Europeans.

Recent data show similar patterns.

Measurements taken from living subjects as well as those at autopsy, show the size of testes is twofold lower in Asian men than Europeans (9 g vs 21 g), a difference too large to be accounted for entirely in terms of body size (Diamond, 1986; Short, 1984). Concomitantly, as mentioned, Asian women have lower ovulation rates than Caucasian women, as indexed by dizotic twin frequency, with the frequency per 1000 across several Asian populations being < 4, while for Caucasians it is 8, and for blacks 16 per 1000 (Bulmer, 1970; Diamond, 1986). Contrary to the general trend, Freeman (1934) observed that, at autopsy, American blacks had less heavy testes than American whites (13g vs 15g). Freeman (1934), however, did find that black women had heavier ovaries than white women.

Subsequently Daniel, Fienstein, Howard-Peebles, and Baxley (1982) found no black-white difference in testicular volume among American adolescents, while Ajmani, Jain, and Saxena (1985) found larger scrotal circumference in Nigerians than Europeans (212.6 mm vs 195.1 mm or 8.37 in. vs 7.68 in.). A French Army Surgeon (1988/1972) also provided early observations that, in speed of sexual maturation, Orientals < whites< blacks. Several subsequent studies are confirmatory.

In the United States, blacks are more precoscious than whites as indexed by age at menarche, first sexual experience, and first pregnancy (Malina, 1979). A national probability sample of American youth found that by age 12, 19% of black girls had reached the highest stages of breast and pubic hair development, compared to 5% of white girls (Harlan, Harlan, & Grillo, 1980), although the same survey found white and black boys to be similar (Harlan, Grillo, Coroni-Huntley, & Leaverton, 1979). Subsequently, Westney, Jenkins, Butts, and Williams (1984) found that 60% of 11-year-old black boys had reached the stage of acelerated penis growth in contrast to the white norm of 50% of 12 1/2-year-olds. This genital stage significantly predicted onset of sexual interest, with 2.2% of the black boys experiencing intercourse by age 11. While some surveys found that Oriental girls enter puberty as early as whites (Eveleth & Tanner, 1976), others suggest that in both physical development and onset of interest in sex, the Japanese, on the average, lag 1.5 to 2 years behind white Americans (Asayama, 1975). (Rushton, J.P. & Bogaert, A.F. (1987) Race differences in sexual behavior: Testing an evolutionary hypothesis. Journal Research in Personality 21(4): pp. 536-7)

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Let me caution everyone; this has nothing to do with the current state of man -- only a theory of evolution. And like other theories, there are lot of competing ones out there. But it goes a way in explaining the stereotypical belief in race and penis size.



[edit on 6-10-2006 by behindthescenes]

I don't think there's anything here that would get you banned...it's quite interesting actually. You might want to cut down the size of your quote though

Originally posted by djohnsto77
I don't think there's anything here that would get you banned...it's quite interesting actually. You might want to cut down the size of your quote though

Sorry...my quote was being promiscuous....

You might try putting that quote in eternal quote tags [ ex][ /ex]. Just remove the spaces. This will make your quote not only compliant with the T&C, but easier to read, as well.

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So that explains a particular south park episode

For those that that would say that penis size and race are unrelated - who would be willing to wager a large amount of money that comparing 10 blacks to 10 asians--that the asians were longer or thicker than average or even comparable? After noticing hundreds of men in locker rooms and such, I would say that 8" is not uncommon in blacks -(maybe 1/3-I'm not exagerating)-estimating of course- but sometimes hanging 8"- and the arguement that smaller ones grow more----if you start at 5" to 7" it's going to be 7" to 10" , bigger ones can be growers too -- starting at 3" - maybe 6". Not to be mean, but I have never seen an asian that looked like he had anything close to 8'' - probably not even 7", but many who would probably be happy to reach 5". Sorry, but I get tired of hearing things that are not true just to spare someones feelings. Real responses are apreciated- thanks.

I think this is another one of those attempt to figure everything out from more useless information studies.
They base there studies on such few people that its just nonsense data.
Garbage in garbage out.

Well that certainly is the case in the animal kingdom. And yes it has to do with producing large amounts of sperm to overtake the sperm of other males. Men (and no doubt other animals) also produce "killer sperm", particularly if they have been away from their female partner for a while, that is designed to kill any foreign sperm it may encounter.

In the case of humans, black men also have more testosterone than others. I believe it is on average 14% higher than white men, and white men have higher levels than asian men. Obviously testosterone levels affect various things as well (I won't pontificate on that, it would not be PC). But we all know how it affects male dogs.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
You might want to cut down the size of your quote though ....

Its not the size of the quote, its how you use it!

Interesting, article... and while it does work with "averages" there are many variables... and exceptions to the general rules on both ends.

Well geeze... I guess I'm a white guy with African averages. Never thought myself anything but normal for a white dude.. but 5.5-6? Okay fellas, who is seriously...SERIOUSLY bringing the average down??? Damn!

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
Well geeze... I guess I'm a white guy with African averages. Never thought myself anything but normal for a white dude.. but 5.5-6? Okay fellas, who is seriously...SERIOUSLY bringing the average down??? Damn!

It all depends on how they measure too, people have to make sure they measure right or these so called average numbers won't matter.


[edit on 26-1-2009 by _Phoenix_]

Let me just say that my 3 sons are upping the white average for you guys.

My youngest is very well endowed just like his dad.

[edit on 26/1/09 by Rhain]

Originally posted by Rhain
Let me just say that my 3 sons are upping the white average for you guys.

My youngest is very well endowed just like his dad.

[edit on 26/1/09 by Rhain]

I'm not sure I wanted to know that... But good for them I guess haha.

[edit on 26-1-2009 by _Phoenix_]

A theory is just a theory until it's proven. Want to hear mine?

It's genetics, nothing more.

The big strong brutes ruled Africa and run the weaker folks out a long, long time ago. Those big strong brutes were well endowed and so the gene producing that trait was spread to their children.

Those that were driven out were the folks that went to Asia and Europe.

In Europe, society developed so that it wasn't how big you were or how well endowed but how much money you could make and what secret society you could start up. The money makers genes spread more than any other.

In Asia it became more spiritual and those thought to be wise and in touch with themselves and the Universe got to spread genes all over the damn place.

Now that I've stereotyped most of the human race I guess I'll get called for racial profiling, but I suppose that's OK.

It's the genes that were passed along in each society that produced the traits of the society. Evolution at work, nothing more.