The War Tapes

just watched this doc
its a great film heres the review

"A new breed of war film, shot and narrated over the course of a year by three soldiers who took cameras with them into the thick of battle, Deborah Scranton's "War Tapes" provides a uniquely eyes-on, triple-pronged look at the unfolding of "Operation Iraqi Freedom." Mini-cams mounted on dashboards, gun turrets or helmets capture, with unsettling immediacy, the campaign's sudden explosions, chaotic ambushes and 24/7 sense of uncertainty. But the pic's deepest fascination lies in the soldiers' complicated reactions to the war, perceived simultaneously as funny, horrific, stirring and traumatic. Limited arthouse run may snowball since film impacts all camps.Tech credits are consonant with the high-concept "you are there" nature of the exercise, the camerawork rocked by out-of-nowhere shells, grenades and car bombs."

and thats true if feels like youre there with them heres the trailer
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heres the whole movie its in parts
part1
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part2
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part3
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part4
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part5
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part9
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part10
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[edit on 10/5/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

At one point a dog came along and there was like human flesh kinda around the body and the dog ya know picked up some flesh and started eating

and I didn't see a problem with it and neither did any of the guys I was with

you know

I didn't care about that

I guess after the fact the command wanted me to shoot the dog or do something like that

but

I'm sorry we never got breifed on shooting a dog or what to do about that

at the same rate I don't care what the dogs eating.

I hope he fills his belly

did you enjoy the film?
that part was funny you can feel the anger these guys have for been there

Yeah ok I’ll have to watch the whole video later cause I’m gettin sick to my stomach. Not because of the graphic violence...but by the attitude of the US marines. you know it's scary but after watching this video i can honestly see how the stories of US marines tourturing, raping and murdering random people could be true..

Lemmie back track...I had a friend in HS...and u know what looking back I dunno if I could say he was really my “friend”, because I didn’t really like him. The dude was very arrogant, brash, always had something racist to say, and was obsessed to an unhealthy level with violence and death..he was a kid who lets say he had shot up the shcool, would have been described as "very disturbed".

Ok fast forward to present day, out of the blue he IMs me and starts chatting. Tellin me how he has been all over the world and been in combat and is getting high in the military....and as he's telling me this i relized that he was the perfect type of boy for the military. A violent, angry young punk who never had the balls to kill someone in the street, so decided to pick up a gun and start fighting for "freedom".

And then I saw the video, the full clip where the guy is talking about the dog eating flesh. And I saw his comments that lead up to that part about how he felt towards the "bad guys" and how he basically desicrated these dead bodies...and I relized that I could see my “friend” being that exact same way. These sick guys in the military enjoy death and destruction. They actually probly get a little aroused the first time they kill somebody. It's their excuse to kill a man, and not go to jail. In fact, i think that was something my "friend" said to me a long time ago..as his reasons he might join the military one day..kill legally!

You know what really bothered me...when they showed the bodies...i really felt sorry for the dead "bad guys" as they call them. These were men, in PLAIN CLOTHES, with out of date weapons, no body armor, + NO FORMAL TRAINING fighting a legion of uniformed men,armed to the teeth, + trained hard to kill without mercy. How is that fair? these were plain average joes, who took up arms against an invading force. Screw all this talk about freedom. Screw all this talk about democracy. We invaded their country and call them "bad guys" for fighting back for WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY THEIRS. yeah ok...

i'm truley disgusted. now i'm not a severe left wing conspirocy nut, in fact i belive 911 WAS terrorists....but i can't belive how people can truley be blind to the fact that this war in iraq is WRONG and AMERICA IS THE BAD GUYS.

Indeed a person has to be of a different mindset to go into the military. You have to not give a flying crap about your life, or anyone elses..and I feel you have to be a bit warped in the head to wanna be a soldjer and kill people for a paycheck.

listen to these guys...one guy says himself it's just a job. i dont know how the killing of innocent people is just a job to some people, but apparently it is. in my mind, being the person i am...i can't justify picking up a weapon and killing someone for a paycheck. I can justify it, as a defense to a real threat...a threat that has the potential to kill/harm me or the people i love in a very real way..but i can't justify doing it just to make some money. That's BLOOD MONEY.

This is why i can safeley say i will NEVER serve the military or gov for any reason. You just have live your life by a different set of morals....i sincerley belive only someone with serious issues inside themselves could wanna do this crap for a living.

i also relized that the gun, is the most useless...tastless..and harmfull weapon ever created. i wish they had never been invented and i wish we could strike all guns from the face of the earth. then wars would have honor and people would die with pride the way they should in battle...at the hands of a stronger opponent.

GUNS ARE FOR WHIMPS WHO CAN'T FIGHT FOR REAL.

i HATE guns..

its true what you said but i dont believe all of them start like that you have to remember they are seeing there friends die everyday they are in constant fear all the time there are no winners in war everyone loses
but sending guys over to Iraq was the biggest mistake though i dont believe it was a mistake so bush where are all the weapons you said saddam was hiding???
if america really cared about the iraqe people they should of got rid of saddam 30years ago not now
you should watch the whole film at the end you see what war does to the character of the soldiers

I think this movie is really a must see.

Not some armchair Rambo's, not some armchair protesters, just some ordinary guys who are happening to film their tour of duty.

here is a link by the way of the full movie, not broken up in pieces:

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reply to post by Spawwwn


Hey man, honestly, IMO....yeah the iraqi people may be plain clothes w/ out of date weapons and no training and no body armor and all that....but what would you be saying if that was your son in the war, or your loved one, or whoever, that got shot by one of those "commoners"? Would you feel hate for the Iraqi people??? Yeah we may be the aggressors in this war, but you have to think that OUR OWN SOLDIERS, CITIZENS, PEOPLE that are like you and me, are over there, living, breathing, fighting, dying for all of us. You cant hate the soldiers for following orders, they chose to do that. Nobody forced them into it. Yes, some people enlist for the wrong reasons, or b/c they were brainwashed by a recruiter, but not all of the soldiers feel that it is a job. How else could they explain it to somebody that hasnt experienced it first hand? They can never fully describe what its like. They could never convey the horrors and cruelty of war.

War changes people, desensitizes people. Hardens them, and kills them inside. Support our soldiers that are fighting overseas far from home, even if you dont agree with the reason why they are there. They are loved ones, your neighbors and family. Never forget them

Its easy to not care about a name, or an unfamiliar face....thats what saddens me about the people of this country.

If you want to pity the Iraqi people, then pity the people in Sudan and other parts of africa that constantly live in fear of GENOCIDE. Where is your voice for them? Oh wait, we're not killing them, so why should we care about them?

Leave that to the chinese i suppose

Originally posted by Spawwwn

you are a sissy coward!!!!!!
It's ALWAYS been REAL MEN that are required to take up arms to protect worthless little pnasies like you! REAL MEN that are barley over 21, and THEY are the one's keeping violence from your doorstep. Even pansies like you deserve some protection. Of course, i would like nothing better than to take your lilly white astronmical airway, and drop you off in the middle of Oaklan, or New Orleans on a very hot summer night.

You know what really bothered me...when they showed the bodies...i really felt sorry for the dead "bad guys" as they call them. These were men, in PLAIN CLOTHES, with out of date weapons, no body armor, + NO FORMAL TRAINING fighting a legion of uniformed men,armed to the teeth, + trained hard to kill without mercy. How is that fair? these were plain average joes, who took up arms against an invading force. Screw all this talk about freedom. Screw all this talk about democracy. We invaded their country and call them "bad guys" for fighting back for WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY THEIRS. yeah ok...
MAYBE YOU FORGTOT 3700 PEOPLE THAT WERE KILLED IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTERS. MAYBE YOU FORGET THAT THESE "GUYS" ARE STRAPPING EXPLSOVE BELTS ON, AND KILLING MEN, WOMEN, AND KIDS...STHUPID YUPPIE TURD!



Indeed a person has to be of a different mindset to go into the military. in my mind, being the person i am...i can't justify picking up a weapon and killing someone for a paycheck. I can justify it, as a defense to a real threat...This is why i can safeley say i will NEVER serve the military or gov for any reason.
A MINDSET THAT YOU WILL NEVER, IN ALL OF YOUR MISERABLE YUPPIE WORTHLESS LIFE, HAVE! YOUR A WUSS!

i also relized that the gun, is the most useless...tastless..and harmfull weapon ever created.
THE WORSW WEAPON EVER CREATED WAS THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO SLITHER OUT OF THE CRAPPER, AND START BREATHING AIR!