Total Mind Control?

So, if the government is able to used mind control on people to control their thoughts, what they do, ect. Would they be able to totally take over our minds?

-Could they have total control over use?

-Would they be able to control everything we do via mind control?

-Could they control every aspect of our lives using mind control?

Could their techniques of controlling the mind become so advance that they could take complete control of our minds?

Could it be possible that we could become total slaves to mind control? That is if they would be able to control as much people as there is on earth and have that much control over people. Which I don't know if they could do. But could this really happen?








-tts

Mind control is a paranoid-schizophrenic fantasy.

Nobody can control what you think or manipulate your behaviour from a distance. The closest anyone can get to that is through hypnosis, which demands very special conditions and the conscious cooperation of the subject. It's well established that no-one can be hypnotized into doing something they don't really want to do.

Belief in external mind control suggests that one is losing control over one's own mind, which is a very serious problem. Professional help is probably indicated.

We are in a sense already there, though we have so called free will, how information is delivered to us affects our thoughts and shapes our ideals about the world around us and the government has tried through paid propaganda puppets, tried to use our tvs and the news we trust to guide us into the direction they want us to go in.

If you turn on the tv news watch how things are phrased, what tone of voice the news about certain people is delivered by the so called journalist. Journalists are supposed to deliver the news as unbiased as possible but it is very clear the thinking by most, and that is no accident or slip on their part.

The other day I watched as CNN did a hack job on the President of Pakistan, they made fun of his book and his appearance on The Daily Show. Imagine Tony Blair doing the same thing and how differently he would have been treated. Also the news will have so called pundits on and then the journalist will attack the side they are not promoting by the tone of voice they use or the sharper questions they ask. I have actually seen some journalists on some news channels actually almost kiss the butt of the person they like, but then turn around and be so rude to the other side it is not even close to subtle.

As to what you buy there are groups out there gathering info on you everyday to see how to sway you into buying their products.

To control how you think and how you spend your money they don't have to make you into a mindless zombie, just present the news to you a certain way, they also leave out important information they don't want you to know.

Originally posted by Astyanax
Mind control is a paranoid-schizophrenic fantasy.

wrong, i know of a person who has been mind raped since he left school in 1993. this person is well known to be mind raped by those around him, and others. so you clearly do not know what you are talking about. this is in the uk.

they have technology that can go back to any moment of your life and see what you are thinking and doing at that moment. if you do not believe, this persons case has proved it.

at least for his sake that everyone will be treated like him in the future. thought crimes will be just that, his life was ruined by just that thought crimes.

so the people that know of his life know that mind control exists, so people like you that like to pretend that technologies do not exist can live in the lets pretend world you have.

for saying you cannot remotely influence people, you can buy weapons on the internet, that do just that.

Interesting topic.

Now i got just one question, if they were to mind control anyone, does that person have to have a chip implanted into them or can they access someone's mind without any kind of microchip implants?

Originally posted by Astyanax
Nobody can control what you think or manipulate your behaviour from a distance.

I think they can. With the tech they have they've got the ability to manipulate thoughts (probably physical behaviour to). Think, have you ever had the urge to go buy something (even something just small). And have you ever thougth, "Why do I even want to buy this?".

Originally posted by Astyanax
The closest anyone can get to that is through hypnosis, which demands very special conditions and the conscious cooperation of the subject.

I partially agree. I do think people can be mind controlled. Kind of like hypnosis where you have to cooperate. I think not knowing the goverment is mind controlling you is a sort of cooperation in letting them control you. I think if you know it's going on, and you don't want it happening, it's going to be harder for them to control you.

Originally posted by your_evidence
Now i got just one question, if they were to mind control anyone, does that person have to have a chip implanted into them or can they access someone's mind without any kind of microchip implants?

Well, I'd think that they could infact control someone without a chip. But having a chip implanted in someone would probably make it easier for them to control someone though.






-tts

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[edit on 3-10-2006 by The_Truth_Seeker]

-Could they have total control over use?

It might take a great deal of time to condition someone whose mind has already developed outside of a strictly controlled environment - but considering most elements of brainwashing deals with the stimulus/cognitive association/response mechanisms in the mind and psyche of the individual, it's highly unlikely that anyone would become ENTIRELY controlled.

-Would they be able to control everything we do via mind control?

Very unlikely. It's just too time consuming to manage entire populaces with these techniques.

-Could they control every aspect of our lives using mind control?

Not really. There are too many chaotic variables to make EVERY aspect of our lives in our current societial enviroments controllable.

Could their techniques of controlling the mind become so advance that they could take complete control of our minds?

Not when so many people still retain individuality and free will.

Could it be possible that we could become total slaves to mind control? That is if they would be able to control as much people as there is on earth and have that much control over people. Which I don't know if they could do. But could this really happen?

Only if we all consent to it.

Originally posted by goose
If you turn on the tv news watch how things are phrased, what tone of voice the news about certain people is delivered by the so called journalist.

Yea, I've seen this. Recently Tony Blair made a joke about Cherie not wanting to 'run off with the guy next door' at his party conference. One news-report, the BBC actually, said 'Brown wasn't amused' yet the ITN report said 'even Brown was amused'. Which one was the truth? People who read 'The Sun' newspaper tend to get things right-wing, while those who read 'The Guardian' get it left-wing. We're being controlled and we don't know it. Frogs and boiling water, as I've seen on another thread.

Originally posted by Astyanax
Mind control is a paranoid-schizophrenic fantasy.

Nobody can control what you think or manipulate your behaviour from a distance. The closest anyone can get to that is through hypnosis, which demands very special conditions and the conscious cooperation of the subject. It's well established that no-one can be hypnotized into doing something they don't really want to do.

Belief in external mind control suggests that one is losing control over one's own mind, which is a very serious problem. Professional help is probably indicated.

Seeing posts like this prove the point.... So Mind control is all Fantasy huh? Why are you so prone to come on here and make that point? Maybe becasue your programmed to say so!!! And Im programed to come and tell you this...
Read some books and do your homework sir... Your trying to explain something you have NO idea about!! Mind Control is one of the oldest things in our whole human history.. You think by now they would have it down to a science!! Well they do, and your playing into all of it by just posting what you say...

Gosh, quite a harvest for one little post...

Originally posted by andy1033

Originally posted by Astyanax
Mind control is a paranoid-schizophrenic fantasy.

wrong, i know of a person who has been mind raped since he left school in 1993. this person is well known to be mind raped by those around him, and others.

What is mind rape? Could you please explain? Is it the same thing as mind control?

Originally posted by The_Truth_Seeker
have you ever had the urge to go buy something (even something just small). And have you ever thought, "Why do I even want to buy this?".

No, I haven't. Maybe I'm just strong-minded. Or maybe it's because I don't watch televison.

Originally posted by zysin5

Originally posted by Astyanax
Professional help is probably indicated.

Seeing posts like this prove the point.... So Mind control is all Fantasy huh? Why are you so prone to come on here and make that point?

I hope to make the world a better place by unchaining people from their delusions. Futile, I know, I know.

Read some books and do your homework sir... Your trying to explain something you have NO idea about!!

Care to recommend a few? Be careful now, I'm a very discriminating reader.

Mind Control is one of the oldest things in our whole human history...

Well, that is certainly a new idea to me. I hope you're going to elaborate.

Originally posted by Astyanax
Mind control is a paranoid-schizophrenic fantasy.

Nobody can control what you think or manipulate your behaviour from a distance.

Nobody seem to be agreeing with this. I partially agree with it though. I do see how it could be a "paranoid-schizophrenic fantasy". I think the "schizophrenia" will cause people to exagerate the stuff, like "people are reading/stealing/controlling their thoughts" (I saying someone thinking anyone can do it to them).

Originally posted by Astyanax
I hope to make the world a better place by unchaining people from their delusions.

Are people having delusions about mind control? I'd have to say YES. When people are walking down the street and someone passes them and they think that that person can control their thoughts and read their mind, I'd say that's delusional.

Do I think the mind control stuff can be a "paranoid-schizophrenic fantasy"? When it comes to the exagerate stuff.....yeah sure. But does that mean mind control doesn't exist. I certainly don't think so. It definitely does.






-tts

[edit on 4-10-2006 by The_Truth_Seeker]

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
-Would they be able to control everything we do via mind control?

Very unlikely. It's just too time consuming to manage entire populaces with these techniques.

-Could their techniques of controlling the mind become so advance that they could take complete control of our minds?

Not when so many people still retain individuality and free will.

True. It would be very hard to get total control over everybody. But how much control could they actually have over people?

I think that eventually they'll get more advanced tech. What affect would this have on people? Maybe they wouldn't have total controll, but how much control would it be possible for them to have over use.

Also taking into account that the tech could have no (or have little) affect on people. Knowing it exists you could resist it to a point or maybe altogether.





-tts

I agree the despotism of our dystopian technologist dark carnivals have broadened wider, we are currently in a state of siege and cage patterned by the Polices and Authorities - this is the fact's and the Mediatisement's oif our current epoch have crystalised, we are now awash in Operational BF Skinnerist Self Loathing's, we all Poliical Refugee's seeking Sancity, Sancity For Whom?! Only for the Noveau Riche.

>Could they have total control over use?

Why would the control have to be 'total?' I'm sure a steady, subtle manipulating effect would do quite nicely. Wouldn't even have to effect a large portion of the population. Let's say 99 out of 100 people are completely immune. 1% of 300 million people in this country is 3 million people. Don't you think the ability to manipulate 3 million people might be useful to somebody?

>Nobody can control what you think or manipulate your
>behaviour from a distance.

In that case somebody should really let the corporate world that all the billions of dollars they've spent on marketing over the years have all been wasted. Not the same as 'magically making people do stuff' yes, I know...but the extreme statement above is really quite silly.

>It's well established that no-one can be hypnotized
>into doing something they don't really want to do.

Not entirely accurate, and extremely misleading.

* Some people can be. Perhaps not many, but again, you don't need anywhere near 100% success with your methods to be effective.

* Remember that whatever you want people to do, there's probably somebody out there who WANTS to do it. For example, who wants to bet there are at least a few sickos out there who'd really like to go kill someone? I think two minutes on google will attest to that. Now, what if these people were given a nudge?

* The standard method to induce someone to do something they 'don't want to do' is to manipulate their perceptions such that 'it's ok.' A girl might heavily resist having random sex with a hypnotherapist, but will probably be ok having sex with someone she perceives to be 'her loving and loyal husband of many years.' You don't need to go to hypnosis to see this in action. Hand the averge American a gun and tell him to go shoot people, and he'll probably resist. But...tell him that he's defending his country, performing his patriotic duty, and saving the world from people are a bad...and you have a military.

>just present the news to you a certain way, they also leave out
>important information they don't want you to know.

Yes. Ask someone if they'd like chocolate or vanilla, and they'll probably pick one without stopping to wonder if they'd really prefer raspberry sherbert. When somebody threatens both a bishop and a rook with their knight, you can easily choose 'of your own free will' which piece you'd like to save, but either way, they get what they want: one of your pieces.

>Care to recommend a few?

Mind control products? I can't offer a personal endorsement...this is just something I found on google, but:

www.megabrain.com...

Bucket Man

Astyanax: What are your thoughts on MK-Ultra? It was proven to be a real CIA program of mind control. There are people who have won mind control cases in court, against the CIA.

Do some research on Cisco Wheeler for one. Also Johnny Gosch and some of the other child victims of the Franklin Sex Scandal. You know those torture techniques they used in Iraq where they leave the lights on all the time, play loud music 24/7, etc., well, those are proven mind control techniques. I don't know if it's possible to do mind control on an entire population but they don't need to, they already have enough propaganda to keep most folks deluded. But they do need mind control slaves to commit some of their evil deeds.

P.S. - And don't forget to do some research on the mind control experiments that the Nazis did. When Operation Paperclip was implemented, we brought over a number of scientists who had been experimenting on this very thing. Guess where the CIA got their mind control techniques from?

The CIA stole/liberated their idiom's on Control from the Nazi's who were highly advanced from Skinnerist Behaviourism Apps.

I have seen the said MK ULTRA doc's and they are very real, esp in lieu of Radio, Television, and Microwave Technologies.

Everyone uses them including most NLP user's esp the Darkside Pattern's.

I do believe they use MultiMind and DID Programming Consruct's and MPD programming, go seek out the vey recent Mind Control Book's and literature. Altough most of the people involved in this scaremongering are extreme racist christian's with an axe to grind.

I'm new to this but I believe that experiments can be replicated and that they can be introduced to make people think that they can think or what they want to think. If someone is thinking a thought and the government has the technology to think that thought for you they most likely will.

They are trying to introduce mind controls in certain schools... they teach diction to relate to a sequential mind that pertains to the talk of a female that really isnt a female to talk like a male... they have programs like these to teach other people how to think and to "develope" their mind.

Programming is always a possibility... and I do strictly believe that ADHD is one of the advance tech that the cia has that can bend peoples minds and lead their minds to being under the control of others.

However... the thought of other people controlling how other people talk to you and how other people listen in on your conversations results in you being controlled, is schizoprenic. Their are conspiracies out there... but I think mind control is (1) stupid and (2) a way of finding other peoples problems with them not being willing to change.