Can anyone help Me?

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
spartan, you need to give your best example of magic, or a sample of 3-5 examples.

blowing it off makes you look like you are avoiding scrutiny, which hurts your credibility

Yes, well if you read some of My post's other than from this thread you might understand better. My credibility may be within question to you, but I know what I know and I know that no one else's opinion of Me matters but My own.

so what your asking me to do here is go and read all of your posts from the past so i can get an idea bout this so called "magic power" you have? Yet you started the thread asking others for help. Have you ever heard the saying "play to the audience"?.... because it applies to your discussion, yet your failing at it.

Instead of asking me to look at what other self gratification posts you have, give ME examples.

And congrats on using DUDE at the age of 33:you would think that eventually someone would grow out of it. But then again......

I asked for help and got some. Thanks for that. I've also got some really interesting people make comments. Thanks for that.

I said, "I was told" I've been using magic, no where did I ever say I knew to what they were referring to as magic.

Man, pick your words carefully and actually read what is typed.

Wording is all important. I've posted on mind control methods, on propaganda and how it's used, and on all kinds of other things.

I don't troll, and I am looking for help. I said I was looking for more formal training. What would that imply, in that simple statement...?

Can you not tell from the context of the words that are coming out of My mouth? lol

I've received both good and bad responses and so far I like both responses. Shows a lot of intelligence from ATS and a lot of non-intelligence too.

Non-intelligent responses? I'm not seeing any, just people that think your story is far too far-fetched to be true.

In your opening post, you don't make anything clear, then proceed to avoid asking questions others have posted.

Also, your 33? You said 'dude', which I've only ever mall rats say and judging by your avatar and motto, your obsessed with Halo. Not something I would imagine a 33 would be into. (at least, not that much)

There's something wrong with the word "dude" for a 33 year old? Just because I don't talk like an old person, doesn't mean much and I know how to talk to most age groups within society.

I just used a word, that some think isn't a "big boys" word. Education is what you take from it and make from it.

I like Halo, yes, I admit this, so you're point would be? I found that picture the most representational to who I am. A warrior soul inside of Me.

I could have picked an old Spartan from Greek History but chose not to do so.

I found all 3 of My lives, past, present, and future.

The past I was Leonidas, King of the Spartans, present a current Spartan, and the future of the Spartans is where I see the Halo image came from.

A Spartan in the future, who knows how to adapt to the current situation and see His way through it all.

I found my trinity. Have you?

Fair enough, I still don't have to believe a word you said though.

Now on ATS, I've seen a trend appearing the last few years, people telling us of stories that are so familiar with each other, they just can't be all true.

I'm sure I might of believed you if you just answered posters questions and made an effort to help those who were helping you.

As I pointed out before, I'm not exactly sure what the person who made the reference to Me having used magic My whole life meant.

I was taught the Power of Observation early on. Is this considered magic? No clue.

I was taught to see through Propaganda. Is this considered magic? Again, no clue.

I was taught the Art of War from early on. Is this something considered magic?

I don't know.

Some one tell Me what is considered magic among the Mason's, please and maybe I will have a reference to what this person told Me and I can clear up any confusion with My posts.

If you don't want to post it on here, feel free to U2U it to Me, or even e-mail it to Me.

Thanks.

In reference to My other posts, to tell all the things I've learned...again...would take forever to re-post. If you'd like to read some of them, feel free to do so, if you don't want to, feel free not to do so.


[edit on 5-10-2006 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Your not even talking real sense now, the Art of War? You were taught what?

It sounds like you have no idea what your talking about.

Masons have never been linked with magic, they are a society of like-minded individuals, not sorcerers or wizards.

Almost every family has or had a mason in it, they really aren't all that mystical or secret.

Originally posted by Zanzibar
Your not even talking real sense now, the Art of War? You were taught what?

It sounds like you have no idea what your talking about.

Masons have never been linked with magic, they are a society of like-minded individuals, not sorcerers or wizards.

Almost every family has or had a mason in it, they really aren't all that mystical or secret.

You know, I've been polite with you Zanzibar. Yet, you seem to continually show Me disrespect in this thread I started.

You attacked My avatar, yet I never attacked your little toy soldier, and I'm still not attacking you or your choice of avatars. Go figure, take the high road.

You don't know what the Art of War is...? How about go look it up.

The Art of War was a book written by Sun Tzu over 3000 years ago...you can find it on Amazon.

The Art of War was much more than a book though, it was a way of thinking.

To use your mind to outsmart your opponent. To always be able to overcome that which is put in your way.

The Mason's were never linked to magic? That's not what everyone else knows and apparently you're one of the few who don't know it.

Are you actually trying to help Me with what I have asked, or are you trying to disrupt the flow of the thread?

The Mason's don't have secrets? Right. The Mason's are out in the open, and they are out in the open about having secrets too.

The reason I began this thread was so I could find out more about what I was taught, not sit here and argue with you, Zanzibar.

You have a few choices here, keep posting, or don't.

I'm looking for answers that will help Me in My life and guide Me towards the path I want to be on, so I will keep posting.

To get the thread back on track, I am looking for more formal training and to find out answers to questions.

I am on a quest of enlightenment.

[edit on 5-10-2006 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

[edit on 5-10-2006 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Alright I'm going to say this once more and muster every ounce of diplomacy I can. WHAT TRAINING ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! (Sorry I tried.) You have not explained yourself still, I know you're fending off verbal attacks, and I know I am one of the attackers. But buddy if you want help, and want us to drop calling you out on all this, you need to be more specific.

P.S. Zanzibar does not have two choices unless the moderators shut this thread down or warn him (unlikely isn't the internet great? Personally I think it more likely for you to be slapped with a warning than any of us. And since you always seem to need it spelled out, a warning for Trolling.

I don't think SKL is saying that he can conjure spirits or second sight or anything like that. I can see a person casually saying that a person has been 'using magic all their life and not even knowing it' or something along those lines and not meaning anything specific. As far as having a grandfather who was a midlevel mason (and I interpret that to mean 'somewhere' past Master Mason and moderatley involved in the organization, but not so much) and that that has resulted in something unusual in a person, i don't think that that would necessarily be the cause of anything.

Masonry is a system that uses ancient techniques (or at least what the creators though were ancient techniques) to teach moralistic lessons. The goal of masonry is to make a person a better person. In the old days masonry served another purpose, it was really the only secondary course of education that a person would get, with most of the education being in what today would be something like 'world history' and smatterings of geometry. A person's memory function would also be strenghtened by masonry, and of course, it would provide lots of material for reading, exercising the reading ability strengthens it too.
But today, those things are more or less covered by public education.

Okay...Baphomet, yes you're right, I am responding and defending Myself too.

Nygdan got it right, when it was said I didn't say I can conjure spirits.

Magic to Me, all depends on the perspective of the person using it and the person or people it is used upon.

Nope, not trolling, otherwise the thread would have been shut down. I'm attempting to use diplomacy to not get into a name calling situation, which for the most part is working.

I respect that, but thus the question still stands.

What exactly are you looking for, on ATS you will find an incredible wealth of well-learned individuals, more so than I could ever hope to be. Yet we still do not know exactly what you are looking for. Ask away, and despite all the flames that myself and others have thrown your way, you will find a receptive body that wants to help but simultaneously has little tolerance for ambiguity and ego's and that is the current rift.

Simply be more specific as to what advice you are looking for. We might sound caustic or affrontive, but the only reason we are all here is to provide our two cent's to well presented questions. Your ambiguity is a common trait of newer members that are simply here to make themselves feel better about their place in life. Prove us wrong.

Spartan, I know what the Art of War is, I just can't begin to fathom to understand why you started this thread.

Now I'm sorry that I've been disrespectful, but you are talking in riddles and nonsense, so no-one can make out what you want.

First of all, I thought it ws about magic, then freemasonary, now I have no idea. Just please give us a definate answer.

Keeping on the level...

FWIW, I'm 33 and I frequently use the word "dude." I also say "gnarly," "gross," "bogus," and several other anachronistically humorous words and phrases...it's more creative than simply resorting to today's hackneyed phrases and is more appropriate than plain ol' vulgarity. If anyone thinks that an ad hominem attack based simply on the use of that word is appropriate, I ask them to reconsider. A debate can be much more constructive than resorting to name calling and eye-rolling when one of the parties does not play by the other's rules.

With that said, I agree that the thread is perhaps a bit ill-constructed. SKL, you are making some fairly self-serving claims to your historical and philosophical superiority. I'm glad that you have a firm grasp on your own personality, but your logic is a bit flawed and your motivations are questionable.

The idea that you can "see through the veil of media propaganda" is neither magical nor is it a birthright handed down by your Masonic forebears. However, attempting to link your powers of observation with Masonic lineage shows that you are indeed subject to "pop-culture" thoughts and myths.

I applaud the idea that you examine the media with a cynical eye, but this is not magical, nor Masonic; it's simply good sense. I wish everyone were critically examining the news rather than gobbling it up like so many baby birds.

Lastly, I don't much approve of the method of "fast-food" style esoteric education. If you don't have time to invest reading websites and books and simply want some guru to lay hands on you for enlightenment, I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. In fact, in Masonic ceremonies, we are strongly cautioned against thoughtless and hasty pursuits of new knowledge and experiences.

Good luck in your quest...

Originally posted by Damocles357
Keeping on the level...

FWIW, I'm 33 and I frequently use the word "dude." I also say "gnarly," "gross," "bogus," and several other anachronistically humorous words and phrases

I'm gonna drop the 'dude' thing then, it must be an American thing I guess, over here in Britain I have never heard anyone but stoners and the 'huh-huh' teenagers say it.

So, I formally apologise to SKL for that and the attack on his avatar.

The point is still clear though reguardless or "dude" or any avatar.

This guy is clearly a troll. he openly said he's looking for formal traning in his masonic magic abilities, however he doesnt have time to look up websites and the like....well HELLOOOOOOOOOOO then how do you have time for formal training?

the art of war? oh please come up with something wrothwhile for christs sake. you know about as much about the art of war as a butterfly unless you've actually been deployed and been to war. otherwhys SHUT UP...i've been there and seen it. I KNOW WAR. you dont know jack!!!

now in one of your later posts you said something about along the lines of a question of masons dont keep secrets? Well of course they do. Otherwhys you'd have a clue as to what you were talking about in your first post and you wouldnt sound so stupid.

now please, Either answer the questions that have been asked by the other members or SHUT UP AND GO AWAY and stop waisting out time.



There are many people on this site who would be VERY willing to help you talk to you and tell you as much as they can, but because you wanted some attention and clung to what i said above you closed yourself off and now noones wants to talk to you. Last chance, answer what the members wanna know or dont post anything at all.

To echo umwolves:

My first Worshipful Master (like the democratically elected president of a Blue Lodge (which governs from Entered Apprentice to Master Mason) said Masonry is not a secret society it is a societal group with secrets....all of which you can read on the internet....and if you try and pass one of these outsidl teachings by us...well we probably can not tell the difference, but you will know the falcity.

Give you an idea how all us Masons feel about our oaths and studies. We take them very seriously but only to better ourselves because of the moral lessons that Masonry teaches. To even begin the process towards a 1st degree Entered Apprentice you sign a document stating that you are petitioning ONLY for the betterment of your earthly morality (religion wise you are kosher as long as you believe in a monotheistic god, at least in my Blue Lodge religious discussion unless in general is forbidden) and no mercenary interest. For instance the man to the left of me at my Initiation was a Sikh with his father (speaking only Hindi) flying half-way around the world, present because of how proud he was.

Forget the idea of the Black Lodge and the Illuminati. Those are the ideas of people whose lives mean nothing without some catalyst to blame. Masonry betters not only the men involved but society at large.

My apologies for the slow reply to everyone, but I have been away for the whole weekend. In regards to Damocles357 post, thanks for your comments about the word "dude" and other words.

Sorry, but I'm with Damocles357 as I was trying to keep the posts light hearted and not be reacting nasty when I used that word. I do have to disagree with you on one point Damocles357 though, as I have never said I am philisophically superior, nor would I ever say that. If that's the way it came across, that was not My intent. However, I know you see the reactions I am getting from people who are reacting like teenagers by throwing out accusations about "trolling" and word use.

Really, that behavior, is not necessary, at all. Neither is telling Me not to bother to post, as I am free to post whatever I'd like to ATS, providing I stay within the bounds of the rules of this fine site. So, that being said, umwolves123 and anyone else who doesn't like My posts or style of post, can do what you'd like, and I can choose to ignore your childish attacks

Telling Me not to post, is neither your right, nor your privilage, just the same as I can do neither.

Damocles357, I did actually find the time to go to one of the websites someone else was kind enough to post to this thread, but My problem is due to lack of time and finding honest websites, instead of hoaxes also. Also, I never said seeing what lies the media prints was magic, I only asked if that might be an example.

As to the thoughtless and hasty pusuits of knowledge and to My wanting hands laid on Me, that's not what I am attempting here at all.

umwolves123, how exactly do you know I haven't been in combat, war, or conflict? HHHmmm...? You are showing your true colors here in that post. Isn't this site about about "Denying Ignorance"? Of course it is umwolves123, and that is what I am attempting to do right here in these posts, to learn more knowledge, so I can deny the ignorance.

How exactly also, do you know I know nothing of the Art of War? You don't know jack and you're "attitude" here in these posts shows it too. Maybe, I am not responding to your post the way you'd like Me to, because I don't see a very intelligent person who I think I should bother responding to any other way. You're showing a lack of respect to Me and My thread and I can choose to respond however I wish, as I am the one who started the thread and I am the one who's seeking knowledge.

You can't force someone to say something your way, nor answer your way. If you expect that, then you are nothing more than a bully.

I am looking for personal betterment, personal enlightenment, and knowledge both in general and to a higher degree.

Nevermind

[edit on 8-10-2006 by mrwupy]