U.S. Army Practices Urban War Inside U.S.A.

The Pentagon has begun a series of joint service training excersizes designed to improve urban warfare tactics. These wargames are being held in several major U.S. cities. This will be the first time in American history that U.S. troops have practiced city fighting on their own turf.



I'm not at all surprised to see this. In 2004, I predicted that the Federal government would soon begin to train American forces for city fighting inside our own major population centers.

The official story seems to be that these maneuvers will prepare our troops for battle overseas. If that's true, why not use a joint services training center like those which have recently opened?

I'm not the only author to write about this sneaky move by the Feds, and I'm sure I won't be the last. They may be doing this with the best of intentions, but I have no doubts about who that training can be used on in the near future. We need to watch programs like this one very carefully.

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With the suspension of the Habeas Corpus, it doesn't surprise me. They are definitly gearing for martial law and strong dissent. I just hope when the time come that the army will rebel against the government, which won't be anymore a democratic one, if it's still one now. Hard times are coming. We're just in the eye of the tornado.

Well, this doesn't surprise me in the least. In fact I have told some members that this is exactly what they have been doing, even though they haven't announced military drills until I saw this. We have a lot of aircraft that's been flying low over the city and circling. Jet's doing formations and whatnot over the city as well. I will say this isn't the first time this has happened. A few years back they were doing drills here, right before Iraq.

Possibly this time Iran?

It looks more like they are practicing to quell insurgencies that arise when our current economic house of cards capitulates.

Can add these new tools in the US freedom robber's trade:
House passes warrantless domestic spying measure Reuters
Senate OKs Detainee Interrogation Bill ABC News

Ways of exploiting people's ignorance and fear in the US is growing,
and it has effected our status and ranking.
US Falls to 6th Place in Competitiveness Index Los Angeles Times
Engineers give US infrastructure a 'D' MSNBC

When they come for our guns, that should be a clear sign to all.





[edit on 29-9-2006 by Regenmacher]

Originally posted by Regenmacher
...our current economic house of cards capitulates...

As I recall, you're a market analyst, right?

Hope you are wrong, Regenmacher.

I hope you are very wrong.

Ioam, he's right about the economic system, the only thing that could save it is another terrorist attack then every country in the world pay the gap... like on 911.

Regenmacher, I think they will even try to get the guns, after another terrorist attack.

Originally posted by loam
Hope you are wrong, Regenmacher.

I wish I could say the bull market would go on forever, but I would be lying. The question left is whether we repeat the 1970s or the 1930s and how will this gadget crazed generation cope.

Here's a free ebook that explains the situation and offers solutions:

Getting Ready for Hard Times debtism.com

excerpt: The USA is leading the “Global Economy” toward the biggest economic catastrophe ever recorded. Depreciating fiat dollars and legal and accounting defects in US tax and welfare laws are the root cause of the inevitable calamity. There appears to be a growing public awareness that the American Dream is slowly evolving into an American Nightmare. Voices that sound alarms of the impending peril are woefully muted or publicly ignored.

The federal government is confiscating Social Security nest eggs and dispensing it like toilet paper, leaving Trillions of Dollars in unredeemable debt for baby-boomers and their progeny to wrestle with in coming years.

US war games in urban control can be seen as a precursor to all of this.






[edit on 29-9-2006 by Regenmacher]

Those of you who know me could be aware of my published work. If not, drop me a note and I will fill you in.

The thing to be looking at here is the fine print. Much like the new detainee legislation passed by both houses of Congress, the parts we should be worried about are found in the finer details. Generally speaking, we are just one pen-stroke away from having these things turned on us. That's what bothers me most.

The military had built dedicated urban warfare training facilities. Example 1

Example 2

These are just two examples of many that I'm sure we are all familiar with. The military does need to have facilities for urban combat training. That's true. How-ever, we are seeing a trend in government today that is sneakin' up on us with hostile intent.

ATS Thread

The counter-measures outlined in my published work may give you something to think about, but for now...the growing evidence should be worth discussing. The definitions that the Federal lawyers are putting forward today which place limiters on government authority need only be changed by one word to allow those powers to be used on...us.

so what ???

The official story seems to be that these maneuvers will prepare our troops for battle overseas. If that's true, why not use a joint services training center like those which have recently opened?

ok , to turn it round , if they wish to train trooops to fight in US cities -- why not use the joint services training center like those which have recently opened?

what is the capacity and through put of this facility , is it upto speed - and fully functional ? any teething problems ?

i am not being sarcastic [ honest ] - but unless you have tetermined that the new training facilities you cite have the capacity and environments to amply handle all current required training programs -- and are not being used

then the presence of troops justing off base training areas is IMHO not an issue

SOCCOM has trained men in " public areas " for many year -- without any sinister overtones .

why should this news be viewed in any strange way ?

So far as I know, the various urban warfare school train at the batallion level. The real issue is the law which allows U.S. troops to train for action against Americans, which seems more and more likely with the passing of each year.

I'd like to bring this to your attention:


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[edit on 29-9-2006 by Justin Oldham]

Justin, remember Seattle.

Quebec Summit of the Americas, the LA riots and the WTO riots are prime examples of 'civil disobedience' virtually requiring or actually requiring army aid. Again, look at Oka and Caledonia- they required military action (of course, caledonia sitll hasn't gotten any, which is why there's still the lingering threat of the blockade resuming).

Sooner or later, we're going to encounter real civil unrest, maybe with more of these people being armed with more than rocks and molotovs. I mean, fifty thousand protesters with rocks and stuff is an army in and of itself, correct? Police riot teams have only been able to maintain the protection of delgates, taking days to clear the streets with millions in damages at these riots.

Just something to consider.

DE

Does anyone else remember what happened the last time the Pentagon had big simulations and war games running? Ohh thats right.. the WTC towers fell... yeah.. what's next? Signs of things to come?

Originally posted by DeusEx
Sooner or later, we're going to encounter real civil unrest, maybe with more of these people being armed with more than rocks and molotovs. I mean, fifty thousand protesters with rocks and stuff is an army in and of itself, correct? Police riot teams have only been able to maintain the protection of delgates, taking days to clear the streets with millions in damages at these riots.

It's true that the government would need serious muscle to disburse determined protestors. However, it's also worth noting that most people don't protest unless they feel like they have something to protest. That has been a central point in all of my published work.

I take no issue with civilian police moving in to break up a protest that has clearly gone bad. Trouble is, you start getting in to some serious deep stuff when you allow Federal troops to do the disbursing. When we loosen the law just enough to allow this to happened, we will pave the way for warrantless house-to-house sweeps. We will also be setting the stage for much worse.

that why I started publishing back in 2004, and that's why I'm here now. We don't want to believe that this is coming. Trouble is, what we want, and what they want, are two different things.

well gee, cant say i recall being trained to 'take on the american public' in the 12 years i spent in the service...but hey, thats just me.

us troops are required to follow LAWFUL orders...so in the event of a revolt, yes, they would stand. however soldiers are also directed to disobey UNLAWFUL orders...so give our boys and girls a little credit for having more brains than a box of hammers.

also lets remember, times like this its imperative we keep in office those who support the 2nd amendment.

without the 2nd we need to fear the govt.

with the 2nd the govt needs to fear us...

Justin, take my word on it. My country has had some serious stuff happen here too.

The Oka Crisis, for the Uninformed

The recent Caledonia protest, which NEEDED military force but didn't have it.

While the neutrality of those articles sway towards native claims, the basic facts are true. Seattle really DID need National Guard or something to break up the damage, as did the Quebec Summit.

Does anyone have any stats on the number of injured or property damage from the aforementioned riots?

DE

I don't doubt you at all. Americans have relied on the Posse Comitatus Act for more than a century to prevent Federal troops from being placed in that situation. We should feel fortunate that we don't have to go through what you have and are still working through.

Posse Comitatus

After our first civil war, we had any number of incidents involving Federal troops in which they fired on civilians to break up riots. This, added to the historical aco#s of British troops doing the same thing during our Colonial period...have left us with a bad taste, if you know what I mean.

The fact that we are so close to a repeat of those bad old days makes many of us worry. As popular as my work is, I will never do enugh radio spots to convince enough people to watch out for this threat. I know it, and that's why I talk about it.

What else can you tell us about your own perspective? I thnk it would be worth hearing.

Well, firstly, my position is HARDLY the position of most Canadians, as far as I know.

Secondly, my background does present a little bit of bias towards those I see as violators of the law, as well as the lax Canadian justice system. I am a college graduate of a program in Law and Private Security. I have worked security for the better part of those two years, seeing how the industry works. I am due to head to Canadian Forces Basic Military Qualification on the 30th of October.

That said, I continue. My cousins (both reserve force) have been trained in riot control. I have not. However, I have seen my fair share of protests. I have watched Hamilton PD officers watch with arms folded as protesters sat and smoked marijuana for the cause of it's decriminalization. There was zero arrests, zero injuries. This is what constitutes a peaceful protest to me. Similarly, the loud and generally protests of the supporters of both Israel and Palestine/Lebannon during the recent conflict were peaceful, save a few assault charges. No police injuries, only a few minor scuffles. Again, peaceful protesting.

The WTO, Summit of Americas, and native protests are not what I consider to be either peaceful nor suitable for police control. It took the better part of a day for police in Seattle to clear a route -not the city, a route- for the delegates through blockades of people and debris. All the while, the city was burning. After that, the ACLU came after the department with a pointy stick, despite the fact that they were facing very violent protests and were severely undermanned.

Contrast that to the Quebec Summit, and the SQ and local police forces just barely held a perimeter. The reserves -if not the Van Doos- should have been called out to aid police. Multiple times the security fences were breached.

To me, a riot that last more than about four hours is unacceptable, due to potential loss of life and property damage. If the riots cannot be controlled after four hours, it's time to call in the calvary before someone gets seriously hurt. My assumption from your comments is that while the National Guard is sort of equipped for these situations, they're not trained for it. They're soldiers with doweling, riot shields and helmets. Not much good, but much better than nothing. Our soldiers are, at least, partially trained to detain, deploy teargas, etc.

Another item of note, and I'm not sure how much of this is common knowledge, but there is a culture of protest, for lack of better expression. It has existed at least since the sixties, and borders on the militant. Lately, I have noted that it is indeed growing more militant. The introduction of regular black bloc groups, street medics, and growing organization among 'moblization groups' makes a case that indeed, militancy on certain issues, especially regarding globalization and the Iraq war. the dissemination of anti-police tactics on the net is happening to unbelievable degree.

Not all protesters are violence, but there are groups of them that are both violent and destructively criminal. These groups often attack or injure police, as well as fellow protesters either directly or indirectly. That said, I do believe that if current trends continue, either the police will have to become more militant, or the military will ahve to be called down to help quell riots as they did (albeit far too late) in the Rodney King riots. That was tradgic enough in itself, but police either haven't learned, or have learned and can't do much about it. There are only so many boots they can put on the street, and they will ALWAYS be outnumbered by protesters.

While I envy the rights offered by your constitution -especially the second ammendment- it's also good to know that should I end up in policing (or lord forbid, private security) that the army is available to help contain the violence.

Well, most of the time.

DE

Damocles, go see the Milgram Experiment for more details about how normal people can even torture if they get ordered to. And from someone trained to obey order, it's even more worse. The SS in nazi Germany were humans, weren't possessed by the devil, and they anyhow did the holocaust.

And DeusEx, it will be hard to keep a protest peaceful when the people will be claiming his liberties back and when the martial law will be impose.

Also, the polices forces have a history of infiltrating peaceful protester with agents provocateurs.

[edit on 29-9-2006 by Vitchilo]

Damocles,

I whole heartedly agree with your statement about the Second Amendment. Veteran's like us number in the ten's of million's, and gun's number in the hundred's of million's in this country. For the government to turn on the citizen's of this country would be the height of foolishness. The civil war that would follow would make the Middle East look like a tea party.

This is why I doubt they are contemplating such a thing. Pandemic's, yes. Depression's, maybe. For no good reason, I don't think so.

Although, if Socialist's were to gain power in the US, they would probably be arrogant enough to try it. After all, they know better what the people need than the people themselve's. Hence, the very reason for the Second Amendment!

That's another issue- almost all the protesting is done by leftist or anarchist groups. Groups that are openly anti-capitalist, openly leftist or socialist or neoliberal. Looking at the manifestos and beliefs as postulated on the Altar of Wikipedia, a lot of them seem to believe that their rhetoric - mostly socialist or anarchist- justifies firebombing a Starbuck's or trashing a GAP.

DE