Russia theatens to cut gas to US suppliers

Ah...ready for your heating bills to spike?

Apparently, Russia is again playing petropolitics, this time with the U.S.A, threatening to turn off the gas spigot to ConocoPhillips and Chevron. I wonder what concession Putin is seeking from Bush, or if he is just continuing to fancy himself Napoleon.....

Russia's Threat

Seems Moscow still has a few teeth left, eh?

More and more oil exporters seem to be turing off their spiggots to the US in the fact of draconian trade policies and insistance on world ecconomic control.

I wonder what would happen if Canada followed suit?

That might become a problem if Canada started shipping kalashnikovs to Iran.

Anger is mounting over continuing American resistance to Russia’s accession to the World Trade Organisation and a decision by the US State Department in August to impose sanctions on two Russian arms companies, Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi, for their alleged supply of arms to Iran.

I for one would be willing to accept the backlash for protesting against there selling of dirt cheap arms to every terrorist in the ME and stirring up trouble between us and Iran.

Originally posted by Hal9000
That might become a problem if Canada started shipping kalashnikovs to Iran.

Anger is mounting over continuing American resistance to Russia’s accession to the World Trade Organisation and a decision by the US State Department in August to impose sanctions on two Russian arms companies, Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi, for their alleged supply of arms to Iran.

I for one would be willing to accept the backlash for protesting against there selling of dirt cheap arms to every terrorist in the ME and stirring up trouble between us and Iran.

russia doesn't supply arms to every terrorist in the ME. every country in the world has the right to trade with anybody it wants, including iran. all that other countries can do is protest. btw all this is part of the russian national security. if the US gets a western alligned government in Iran, there can be major setbacks for russia, same as in afghanistan and the -stans, or in eastern europe. the US is trying to move into Ex-soviet territory, russia is trying to consolidate and protect itself.

Originally posted by behindthescenes
Ah...ready for your heating bills to spike?

Apparently, Russia is again playing petropolitics, this time with the U.S.A, threatening to turn off the gas spigot to ConocoPhillips and Chevron. I wonder what concession Putin is seeking from Bush, or if he is just continuing to fancy himself Napoleon.....

Russia's Threat

that's scary. begs ww3. i think it has to do with ww3 .. oh why oh why??..

so what are the teams going to be?

u.s.a., britain, israel, ?, ?, ? vs iran, russia, china, ?, ?, ?

please world governments, avoid this at all cost.

OOPS! Mistake.

[edit on 27/9/06 by Keyhole]

Originally posted by behindthescenes

Ah...ready for your heating bills to spike?

Well, you shouldn't have to worry abou the heating bills going up because of this for 6 or 7 years yet.

They were talking about the Shtokman field in the Barents Sea which hasn't been developed yet. They don't expect to start pumping from there until 2012 to 2014.

Aiming for Shtokman

Shtokman is a huge gas field located in the north of the Barents Sea. It is at least three times the size of Troll, with estimated reserves of at least 2.500 billion m3 gas.

‘As I see it, it is not realistic to expect Shtokman to be producing at least until sometime between 2012 and 2014. Counting back the years it take to develop such a field, about 6-7 years, we might still have a couple of years to wait,’ Ruud says patiently.

Originally posted by INc2006

Originally posted by Hal9000
That might become a problem if Canada started shipping kalashnikovs to Iran.

Anger is mounting over continuing American resistance to Russia’s accession to the World Trade Organisation and a decision by the US State Department in August to impose sanctions on two Russian arms companies, Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi, for their alleged supply of arms to Iran.

I for one would be willing to accept the backlash for protesting against there selling of dirt cheap arms to every terrorist in the ME and stirring up trouble between us and Iran.

russia doesn't supply arms to every terrorist in the ME. every country in the world has the right to trade with anybody it wants, including iran. all that other countries can do is protest. btw all this is part of the russian national security. if the US gets a western alligned government in Iran, there can be major setbacks for russia, same as in afghanistan and the -stans, or in eastern europe. the US is trying to move into Ex-soviet territory, russia is trying to consolidate and protect itself.

Resisiting a new American-backed Asian/Middle Eastern Allegience, I agree with. For national security? No way. Russia is playing a very skillful game of chess with the U.S. -- they see us as a wanning superpower, with a terribly bungled and dangerous mideast policy. Putin knows we can't get the 2x4 out against Iran in terms of economic sanctions, so they're playing against us here.

I think there is widespread belief that it is only a matter of time until key middle eastern countries are ruled by a calphate of some sort in key oil countries; Iran is already ruled by religion, Iraq is probably going to fall that way in the next few years. And then of course there's Saudi Arabia -- which would be a golden prize to fall into clerical rulership.

Either way, Russia is looking to get on these groups good side, with the understanding that the countries with the access to oil will rule the world.

America is fighting this reality, albeit unsuccessfully.

Originally posted by behindthescenes

Originally posted by INc2006

Originally posted by Hal9000
That might become a problem if Canada started shipping kalashnikovs to Iran.

Anger is mounting over continuing American resistance to Russia’s accession to the World Trade Organisation and a decision by the US State Department in August to impose sanctions on two Russian arms companies, Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi, for their alleged supply of arms to Iran.

I for one would be willing to accept the backlash for protesting against there selling of dirt cheap arms to every terrorist in the ME and stirring up trouble between us and Iran.

russia doesn't supply arms to every terrorist in the ME. every country in the world has the right to trade with anybody it wants, including iran. all that other countries can do is protest. btw all this is part of the russian national security. if the US gets a western alligned government in Iran, there can be major setbacks for russia, same as in afghanistan and the -stans, or in eastern europe. the US is trying to move into Ex-soviet territory, russia is trying to consolidate and protect itself.

Resisiting a new American-backed Asian/Middle Eastern Allegience, I agree with. For national security? No way. Russia is playing a very skillful game of chess with the U.S. -- they see us as a wanning superpower, with a terribly bungled and dangerous mideast policy. Putin knows we can't get the 2x4 out against Iran in terms of economic sanctions, so they're playing against us here.

I think there is widespread belief that it is only a matter of time until key middle eastern countries are ruled by a calphate of some sort in key oil countries; Iran is already ruled by religion, Iraq is probably going to fall that way in the next few years. And then of course there's Saudi Arabia -- which would be a golden prize to fall into clerical rulership.

Either way, Russia is looking to get on these groups good side, with the understanding that the countries with the access to oil will rule the world.

America is fighting this reality, albeit unsuccessfully.

well i guess you could be right, but Saudi arabia i don't think would follow as long as there's a US, the US has around 10k troops inside saudi arabia, and has 100's of thousands in neighbouring iraq, kuwait, UAE, and Jordan. but russian national security has been violated multiple times by the US since the 1990's especially with the color revolutions, if you've ever heard of them.

Russia is getting fed up with bold American tactics, moving into territory that was once theres, such as Romania and Bulgaria and Poland joining the EU, and America taking over Afgahnistan (where they failed) and Iraq, maybe even Iran. Georgia has also, along with the Ukrain become close to America, read this

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Russia is not doing as well as they should be, their former satilite states are joining the EU with economic benifits, places like Kazahkistan are getting wealthy for their size, China has become an economic powerhoue and their old enemy is on a crusade to crush the terrorist that they never would have been doing in the cold war. Oil and gas are the comodities that run Russia, if Russia nationalizes the resources and can extract it effectivly they to could become 1. A socialistic dicatorship and 2. Rich. Very rich. and powerful.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Russia is getting fed up with bold American tactics, moving into territory that was once theres, such as Romania and Bulgaria and Poland joining the EU, and America taking over Afgahnistan (where they failed) and Iraq, maybe even Iran. Georgia has also, along with the Ukrain become close to America, read this

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Russia is not doing as well as they should be, their former satilite states are joining the EU with economic benifits, places like Kazahkistan are getting wealthy for their size, China has become an economic powerhoue and their old enemy is on a crusade to crush the terrorist that they never would have been doing in the cold war. Oil and gas are the comodities that run Russia, if Russia nationalizes the resources and can extract it effectivly they to could become 1. A socialistic dicatorship and 2. Rich. Very rich. and powerful.

russia isn't doing all too bad actually, it had taken back Uzbekistan, and Ukraine would'nt dare jon NATO, they can't pay for gas and oil at market price it's too expensive for Ukraine. Afghanistan is so far a near failure, although it might be getting better, China is on Russia's good side, China has money, Russia has tech. if russia nationalizes it's resources, probably a socialist country, which if it's a real socialist country would'nt be bad, but if it turns to a communist country like the former soviet union, then the US got a big problem. i read an article somewhere about russian foreign policy and national security, and it seems America is really trying desperatly to move into former Soviet territory, but russia is also making some pretty good comebacks.

Either way, Russia is looking to get on these groups good side, with the understanding that the countries with the access to oil will rule the world.

A delusionary hope, similar to those held by Americans at one time.

e..g. "greet us with flowers"

No, the Mideast Islamic Caliphate will see Russia as much as an enemy as Israel and the USA.

No good deed done or acquiescence or alliance will be repaid with anything other than emnity and terrorism. Has NATO gotten anything out of standing up for Muslims in Kosovo-entirely without a strong ulterior motive? No.

USA should have learned from Afghanistan. Frankly the USSR was better for Afghanistan than its successors. And that is very depressing.

Radical Political Islamism can't be allied with. It doesn't prosper without uncompromising fundamentalist zeal. And that means, always, death to the infidel.

Russia is getting fed up with bold American tactics, moving into territory that was once theres, such as Romania and Bulgaria and Poland joining the EU

This reminds me of something once said about the Bourbons after the French Revolution:

"They forgot nothing, and learned nothing."

America isn't moving in to Romania and Bulgaria and Poland in the slightest.

The intrinsic desire by Romania, Bulgaria and Poland to join the EU and NATO has everything to do with Russia.

After the American-funded coups in Georgia, Ukraine and other "colored revolutions" (is that what coups are called these days?), these actions are very much expected. Ukraine and Georgia did not have a "popular democratic revolution". They were democratic before arrival of both American puppets- Saakashvili and Yushenko on the scene. In both instances, the elected president got overthrown, and these two puppets installed. And the brilliant US made it seem like it is a popular revolution. IT IS A FARCE AND A FAKE.

Then US went further to alienate Russia, when it build the Caspian pipeline through Azerbaijan and Georgia. Awsome tactic. Now when there is another coup in either of these countries- guess who's soldiers are going to be sent to "liberate Georgia" or Azerbaijan? If you thought Iraq was a tough cookie, wait till you go to Georgia.

Now Russia is almost completely surrounded by these new US puppets. The Baltics are practically members of NATO now, just waiting to host American legions. Poland cound't be happier with their new friends. Geogia is acting like its a damn superpower with all of its American support- looking to start a new war with Russia. Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan are also on America's plate now (after their governments got overthrown by US after allowing US to base their Afganistan operations from there). And now Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan are in the crosshairs. Good job America!!!- now wait for a few decades untill all these people hate your guts for exploiting them.


And now the US and some of its European allies have the decency to accuse Russia of aggressive politics. No wonder Russia is turning their attention to developing relations with China and India. It has been alienated by US and the West. And now that it is the largets energy exporter in the world, it has a major card on its hands. And playing this card can deal a severe blow to the economy of both Europe and the US. So maybe instead of toppling regimes in every CIS country, why not develop better ties with Russia instead. It seems the US is too full of itself.

Originally posted by mbkennel


Either way, Russia is looking to get on these groups good side, with the understanding that the countries with the access to oil will rule the world.

A delusionary hope, similar to those held by Americans at one time.

e..g. "greet us with flowers"

No, the Mideast Islamic Caliphate will see Russia as much as an enemy as Israel and the USA.

No good deed done or acquiescence or alliance will be repaid with anything other than emnity and terrorism. Has NATO gotten anything out of standing up for Muslims in Kosovo-entirely without a strong ulterior motive? No.

USA should have learned from Afghanistan. Frankly the USSR was better for Afghanistan than its successors. And that is very depressing.

Radical Political Islamism can't be allied with. It doesn't prosper without uncompromising fundamentalist zeal. And that means, always, death to the infidel.

radical political islam is a tragedy, and i emphasize "radical political islam" not islam as a whole. thank you.

Well, let's hope this awakes some American minds, eh? Let people get angry, but hopefully see that they are getting angry, and realize the global market at play, and how it can be used as an economic tool by other countries. I just got my bill, it was huge, I was fine with it though. Angered me? Yes. Makes sense? Of course.

Why wouldn't my bill be extremely high with a gigantic increase with the lovely leaders patting our heads saying it's all gonna be ok, while they are piggybacking with these companies and using them against each other?

I paid my bill, went without some things, and let it remind me of the ramifications of my country's actions. Bills go up more, maybe more people will get angry and do something. Until then, fine, I'll pay up.

In some refuelling stations here (Europe) the prices were as high as 135 cent per litre. Inflation is expected to go up by 5%. I guess Russia is rising at the expense of other nations...

well europe is really expensive, hell my cousins went to spain, they wanted to buy a tie and it cost a 100 euros!!! at least it's only 20-30 dollars here in the US...

as for gas i don't know why they're using liters instead of gallons...

Originally posted by INc2006
as for gas i don't know why they're using liters instead of gallons...

Metric is more popular here

Originally posted by maloy
The Baltics are practically members of NATO now, just waiting to host American legions.

The Baltics are members of NATO and, frankly, they couldn't be happier.

As for waiting to host "American Legions".....well, at least that's a decision that Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians can make for themselves. In the past, the Russians -- I'm dropping the Soviet label -- simply did without asking anyone.

Let's not forget that the Russians actually were "friends" of the Nazi's during WWII. Stalin made a pact with Hitler and part of that pact saw the Baltic Nations fall into the Russian sphere of influence . Wait that statement was too decently worded......the Baltics became SLAVES of the Russians. Millions of citizens from the Baltic nations were shipped off to Siberia to work in concentration camps while Russians entered and occupied these tiny nations. Russians wreaked huge environmental havoc on these countries and literally raided the meager resources in the region to feed the insatiable appetite of an inefficient government.

Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have every right to be happy about being a part of NATO since it would mean that Russia would have to think long and hard about ever enslaving an unwilling nation again. Lithuania gladly welcomes American troops as it is a guarantor against Russian domination. And if the Americans are, as you imply, evil, then it is certainly the perogative of the Lithuanians and the other Baltic nations to choose between the "lesser of the evils".