NWO in music | Anti-Communism

you guys probably caught this before i did... thought i'd post it anyways...

From the 8 Mile soundtrack:
Lose Yourself by Eminem

The souls escaping, through this hole that its gaping
This world is mine for the taking
Make me king, as we move toward a, new world order
A normal life is borin, but superstardoms close to post mortar
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[Edited on 11-30-2002 by echelon]

It's not the NWO.

also... the illuminati promises people that they will have some sort of authority in the nwo, once it comes to power...

i think that's what he was referring to when he said 'Make me king'...

Yyeaa
Thats the one. You can see elites sending all kinds of nifty little phrases to the youghts, btw madonnas die another day is full of nazi like sublimental #.

Perhaps...but i thik eminem is just pure GAY

Originally posted by OrionSirius
Perhaps...but i thik eminem is just pure GAY

Can you explain please ? Thx.

I was listening to a Springsteen song the other day, it too mentions the NWO!!!

Men walkin' 'long the railroad tracks
Goin' someplace there's no goin' back
Highway patrol choppers comin' up over the ridge
Hot soup on a campfire under the bridge
Shelter line stretchin' round the corner
Welcome to the new world order

Originally posted by Bob88
I was listening to a Springsteen song the other day, it too mentions the NWO!!!

Men walkin' 'long the railroad tracks
Goin' someplace there's no goin' back
Highway patrol choppers comin' up over the ridge
Hot soup on a campfire under the bridge
Shelter line stretchin' round the corner
Welcome to the new world order

what's the name of that song?

The Ghost Of Tom Joad.

Great album btw!

Echelon, I don't like your new avatar.

It have the same meaning like the nazi svastika !!!! It's sucks !!!!!!!

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
Echelon, I don't like your new avatar.

It have the same meaning like the nazi svastika !!!! It's sucks !!!!!!!

but nazi's & communists hated eachother (and still do)...

and all the hammer & sickle represents is the laboring class of the soviet union.

[Edited on 8-11-2002 by echelon]

Yeah but when it is spinning like that it looks cooler than the swastika (Of course the spinning Compass and Square is by far cooler than all!!!)

Sincerely,
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[Edited on 9-11-2002 by FreeMason]

Originally posted by echelon

but nazi's & communists hated eachother (and still do)...

and all the hammer & sickle represents is the laboring class of the soviet union.

It's not important. Facts are facts. And these facts tell us that the communists did exactely the same bads things like the nazis did it.

It's not important. Facts are facts. And these facts tell us that the communists did exactely the same bads things like the nazis did it.

heh... the communists you speak of are false communists that received payments from under the table... this took place during and after Stalinist times... and is currently taking place in China...
You can say that a true communist was Vladimir I. Lenin... who started the whole thing in the Troika... and I don't think you'll be able to find much against him...
sure... he ordered the churches and mosques to be torn down... that's because the religious radicals used to plan attacks against the gov't and the people in them...


check out... Lenin's Leadership

and to prove communism wasn't made to destroy religion...
Karl Marx was Jewish

[Edited on 9-11-2002 by echelon]

Originally posted by Bob88
I was listening to a Springsteen song the other day, it too mentions the NWO!!!

woah... i just heard the song... heh...
it just faded out when he said 'order'...
guess he didn't want us to hear it...

I'm sick of you and all your communist/socialists BS ,Echelon.

Communism has killed more than 100 millions peoples in the world !!!

In comparison, the nazis and their 8/9 millions deads are looking like a morons bunch !!!

And what is it this stupid statement ?

" and to prove communism wasn't made to destroy religion... Karl Marx was Jewish "

Because he was jew, he was pro-religion ????????????????????????? Are u kidding ????? No, you are not kidding !!! It's just another BS propaganda !!!

Sure, Stalin didn't read Marx. He slaughtered so many jews !!!

Lenin, yeah....just a fuc%* butcher !!!

Everything have started with Lenine.He inaugurated the genocide of mass and instrumentalised the means to reach that point. In 1891, he told to his friend B�liakov the necessary eradication of the country class. "By destroying the delayed country economy, the famine objectively brings us closer from our final goal, socialism". In 1914, he provided the foundations of the civil war: "No revolution without blood bath. We do not make the war against the people in particular, we want to exterminate the middle-class like class. Do not seek what the defendant did against the Soviet authority. The first question that you must pose to him, it is with which class it belongs, which are its origins, its education, its profession ". All the Leninist thought turns around the negation of the individual, his physical elimination and a discriminatory culture. An ideology essentially undemocratic with the service of a deliberately terrorist and bloody dictatorship.

Do I have to speak about Trotsky, the founder of the Goulag system ?

Do you know what's happened in China, Cambodia, North-Korea ...etc.. ?

And finally, if you're allowed to use your communist avatar, I think that another ATS user would be allowed to use one of these avatars !! I don't see a difference with your avatar !!

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[Edited on 12-11-2002 by ultra_phoenix]

well... ultra_phoenix... you have the right to formulate your own opinion...

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
Do you know what's happened in China, Cambodia, North-Korea ...etc.. ?

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Originally posted by echelon
heh... the communists you speak of are false communists that received payments from under the table... this took place during and after Stalinist times... and is currently taking place in China...

i was never supporting china, cambodia, or north korea to start off with... (is cambodia even communist anymore? *shrugs*)

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
"By destroying the delayed country economy, the famine objectively brings us closer from our final goal, socialism". In 1914, he provided the foundations of the civil war: "No revolution without blood bath. We do not make the war against the people in particular, we want to exterminate the middle-class like class.

you took it out of context...
when he said 'middle-class'... he meant the bourgeois/capitalists of that time... or allies of the czar and the white army (the czar's army)
and he spoke of creating a society and gov't without classes...
now doesn't that contradict what you interpreted as "a discriminatory culture"
anywho... i'm not here to defend the soviet state or any other past or present communist nations for whatever crimes it should have been accounted for...
nor does any modern day communist agree with the tactics that was used before...

it seems apparent that you haven't observed marxism enough to understand its prime objectives...
marx, during the enlightenment period... like many others... was an utopian...
also... he did not believe religion should be eliminated... he just believed it's not necessary to keep a nation moving... and it shouldn't interfere with the gov't (the roman catholic church for example)...
he wanted to create a gov't that would in some sense... 'self-destruct'... so in time, it can evolve into a society without any centralized gov't...
that's what we all are... mere utopians...
i don't see why so many of you americans feel so threatened by this simple ideology...
but i must say... did reagan do a number on you or what? heh

here are some sites you should atleast glance at before you go into more arguments with fellow left-wing comrades...


www.newyouth.com... [Youth for International Socialism]
www.trotsky.net... [Leon D. Trortsky]
www.marxist.com... [In Defence of Marxism]
www.cpusa.org... [Communist Party, USA]
www.yclusa.org... [Young Communist League, USA]

[Edited on 12-11-2002 by echelon]

Originally posted by echelon

" i was never supporting china, cambodia, or north korea to start off with... (is cambodia even communist anymore? *shrugs*) "

When you are communist, you HAVE to support all communists regimes in the whole world !


Originally posted by echelon

" you took it out of context...
when he said 'middle-class'... he meant the bourgeois/capitalists of that time... or allies of the czar and the white army (the czar's army) and he spoke of creating a society and gov't without classes...
now doesn't that contradict what you interpreted as "a discriminatory culture"
anywho... "

I didn't take anything out of context.We know all that there is difference between theory and practice, and with the communists, the difference are really huges !!!

The middle-class ? But without the middle-class a society cannot move forward.This society will stagnate for ever or will collapse. And what do you mean by " removing " the middle-class ? Don't tell me, I know ! You mean " killing them " !
What a great utopy !!! Killing innocents peoples, it's a terrific utopy !!!

Originally posted by echelon

i'm not here to defend the soviet state or any other past or present communist nations for whatever crimes it should have been accounted for...

Of course, I just have to take a look in your avatar to know what you think.
"it should have been accounted for..."Oh no, you had to write : " They have been accounted for "...

Originally posted by echelon

"nor does any modern day communist agree with the tactics that was used before..."

Really ? Ok, so why do they have Lenin,Stalin, Marx, Mao posters on their walls ? It's not nostalgy ? Yes it is !

Originally posted by echelon

" it seems apparent that you haven't observed marxism enough to understand its prime objectives... "

Don't be so sure....If I hate communist & socialists, that's because I know them and what are their finals goals. And for

Marx, don't make me laugh ! This moron wrote this : " Personnal inheritance have to be erased from our way of life. All inheritances should be go to the nation and the state. BUT OF COURSE THIS STATEMENT DOESN'T APPLY TO MYSELF "

Yeah, I understand what he mean ! It's do what I say, but don't do what I do !!!

Originally posted by echelon

" marx, during the enlightenment period... like many others... was an utopian...
also... he did not believe religion should be eliminated... he just believed it's not necessary to keep a nation moving... and it shouldn't interfere with the gov't (the roman catholic church for example) "

Sure sure....Everybody on ATS knows this. In all communist nation, you have freedom of faith. Ask to to the tibethans, may be they have a different point of view on this matter, since they have " to live " under the Chicoms !

Originally posted by echelon

he wanted to create a gov't that would in some sense... 'self-destruct'... so in time, it can evolve into a society without any centralized gov't...

Hey, don't worry. He reached this point ! Look Gorbatchev and the former USSR, now called the CEI. Mafia everywhere, poor level life, lack of everything....The central power in Russia is almost NOTHING.

Originally posted by echelon

" that's what we all are... mere utopians... "

Hell is full of peoples like you, who had " try " to help us to live better !

I bet that these 100 millions deads do not have your opinion.

Originally posted by echelon

" i don't see why so many of you americans feel so threatened by this simple ideology..."

Well, first of all, I'm not American, but Belgian ( unfortunately ). And for your " simple ideology ", read above in my posts, you'll understand why I'm feeling threatened by your " simple ideology " !

Originally posted by echelon

" but i must say... did reagan do a number on you or what? heh "

GO RONNIE GO !!!

Originally posted by echelon

" here are some sites you should atleast glance at before you go into more arguments with fellow left-wing comrades... "

I don't need them. I already know what I have to know about your " simple ideology ". With your " simple ideology ", the best that we can do, it's not reading it, it's looking it. And when I look all the poors nations who had and still have to live under communists regimes, I'm still ready to stand up and fight against your "simple ideology " like I did it there is 17 years ago now !

Communism/Socialism = Nazism & Nazism= Communism/Socialism !

But I'm not worry. We won against the nazis, we putted the USSR on his knees, we will do the same with the rest of the communists nations who are still up.

And it's comming you know...When I read these reports from Viet-Nam, Laos or China, it's just a question of time. Communism/Socialism, like nazism, will collapse 4 ever !

ultra_phoenix
i don't know if u know but the communist idea itself it's not evil. The first communist ever to walk on the face of earth was Jesus Christ. It's the people it's self that make it an evil posseion cuz as human beings we have the need for power. Communist means for every one to have the same rights and property. Also if you know it's not only those countrys who have done this. I don't know if u know bu the US has done the same thing to many other small countries in South and Central America. They have gone in becouse the US didn't like the way that the countries were handeling their buissiness and that's one of the main reasons why many of the southern american countries are poor.
ok im done i just thought u had know
but i think u knew already bye