America going to war with Iran

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Way to go for denying ignorance.

"Imagine today what it must sound like to Iranians to hear American leaders tell them – ‘We want you to have a democracy in Iran, we disapprove of your present government, we wish to help you bring democracy to your country.' Naturally, they roll their eyes and say -- "We had a democracy once, but you crushed it,'" he said. "This shows how differently other people perceive us from the way we perceive ourselves. We think of ourselves as paladins of democracy. But actually, in Iran, we destroyed the last democratic regime the country ever had and set them on a road to what has been half a century of dictatorship."

That's how it is. Unfortunatly it seems the average person has a very short memory as to Americas' history in the region.

Bearing all this in mind, Bushs' "democracy" policy must just seem like plain poppycock. How sad this world we live in.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
And I agree with you ,you do have to look at the bigger picture but history as shown us that their are many strange bed felows out there and anything is possible. Im sure Russia/China arent as pally with Iran below the surface but sometimes people use others to do their fighting for them.

The way I see it, everyone in the "cool club" can play chess with each other by using pawns to do their "playing." Will the chess players kill each other? No, it is just a game for their mutual benefit. Each side sells a lot of weaponry and everyone profits. A win/win situation unless you are one of the so-called pawns.

Iran is a pawn and they are unaware of this. So I guess in essence, we are in agreement and only the choice of words is different.

I am afraid that many lives will be lost and those in the "cool club" will make lots of money and gain control of the middle east again. Regardless of who "wins" the same people will be in control again.

I am reminded of that movie "Trading Places" where Eddie Murphy and Dan Ackroyd were just pawns of the Mortimer brothers. the pawns' lives were turned upside down over a dollar bet.

The "cool club" wants to bring back a new serfdom so thay can make dollar bets at our expense.

To those who are jingoistic about this upcoming war, you may feel differently when people you know start dying. The closer it gets to your home, the more you may understand what is really going on. If people you don't know die, apathy is easy, but it is a different story when those you know and love make the ultimate sacrifice.

We are all together in this one. The US military is made up of human beings, just like the European military, the Israeli military, the Lebanese military, the Syrian military, the Iraqi military, the Iranian military, the Russian military and the Chinese military, the Korean military, etc. Each and every one of them only wants a better life for themselves and their families.

I know Russians, Chinese, Israelis, Lebanese, Pakastanis, Saudis, Western Europeans, Eastern Europeans, Iranians, Japanese, Filipinos, Mexicans, Panamanians, Costa Ricans, Cubans, Indians, Australians, and more in no particular order of importance. Each of these people I know have the same needs and wants as I. They all have a capacity to love, laugh and make friends regardless of their governments policies toward other countries.

We are all the same race of people. The Human race. We should all live together with respect and tolerance.

To those who are jingoistic about this upcoming war, you may feel differently when people you know start dying. The closer it gets to your home, the more you may understand what is really going on. If people you don't know die, apathy is easy, but it is a different story when those you know and love make the ultimate sacrifice.

Very well said! Sometimes it's difficult to think about the other people on the planet when we are so busy thinking about bills and work and what to eat etc. By being apathetic and telling the other fellow " what the hell can I do about it anyhow?" seems to be the 'in' thing to say to someone who cares.

But in less than a mere 3 years time, much of those people who feel apathetic will have much more to be concerned about than just merely what's on T.V tonight, or bills. War with Iran (over there) is often a mask for some deep loss of freedom and economical trouble we are now facing (over here) being, in the Western world and in Europe.

What upcoming war LOL? Is Chicken Little running around again?

Originally posted by princeofpeace
What upcoming war LOL? Is Chicken Little running around again?

We are already in it now but it will escalate. They are not increasing the military presenece along the borders in the Middle East - using mercenaries also and speaking about "universal service" just for laughs - well actually they do enjoy fear mongering but they are still planning to escalate the conflict into full blown war. Yes they are that crazy and do not care about the fact that most Americans will lose between 50-100% of everything they have ever owned in the next few years. I'm not trying to send up your blood pressure here but the truth can be painful and whatever ideas we have about them needing the oil - they do not! They merely want control over it, so they can SHUT IT DOWN and charge outragous prices with no competition. So much for free enterprise and being right-wing, when we have a bunch of lunatics calling themselves "Republicans" and who are more leftist than Karl Marx! These so-called right wingers are nothing less than Fabian-socialists and a war is needed to allow them to remain in control.

[edit on 24-9-2006 by Cinosamitna]

Originally posted by princeofpeace
What upcoming war LOL? Is Chicken Little running around again?

Perhaps I am wrong. Let me see. Upcoming war? Hmmm. I suppose the wars could stop tonight. We could all collectively wake up and think that war is a bad idea. Sounds like you are indeed a very hopefull person. When I graduated high school in 1986, I was hopeful that we would never have another war and that it was a thing of the past. Since then we have gone to war in Central America, Kuwait, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

Let me do the math for you. That is 7 conflicts in 20 years. This means that during this time we have ventured into a conflict on the average of every 2.857 years. I am noticing a trend here. I am also noticing that we still have bad guys out there no matter how many of them we kill, and we have killed a lot.

I honestly hope I am wrong and you are right, but the odds are against you. Something tells me that there will ALWAYS be an upcoming war unless we change for the better.

Originally posted by Cinosamitna
Yes they are that crazy and do not care about the fact that most Americans will lose between 50-100% of everything they have ever owned in the next few years.

I see you babbling about how Americans are doomed a lot. How do you know this? And please don't talk about how 2 countries want to switch to Euros for trading oil... that is getting old.

By the way, do you live in the US?

[edit on 25-9-2006 by RetinoidReceptor]

I see you babbling about how Americans are doomed a lot. How do you know this? And please don't talk about how 2 countries want to switch to Euros for trading oil... that is getting old. By the way, do you live in the US?

Well that's up to the American people if they choose to be Americans, or choose to be slaves. Now you can accept what I say as babbling, if you so choose to. Or if you accept an opinion of some truth (as I have presented it) as possible, and may be something soon to come as being so gloomy, than you also must be noticing all the doom and gloom and hype on the American media, right? And I'm not sure what you're getting at by mentioning two countries switching to the Euro; do you mean Iran and Russia?

For what we speak of now, it does not matter where anyone lives today - it matters what's is in our heart and mind.

Well that's up to the American people if they choose to be Americans, or choose to be slaves. Now you can accept what I say as babbling, if you so choose to. Or if you accept an opinion of some truth (as I have presented it) as possible, and may be something soon to come as being so gloomy, than you also must be noticing all the doom and gloom and hype on the American media, right? And I'm not sure what you're getting at by mentioning two countries switching to the Euro; do you mean Iran and Russia?

Yeah...see you obviously must not live in the US. And probably get your information from the New World Order part of the site. So I will compare your ramblings to my dog's barking.

And no, Russia is switching to Rubles. I meant Iran and Venezuela.

Yeah...see you obviously must not live in the US. And probably get your information from the New World Order part of the site. So I will compare your ramblings to my dog's barking. And no, Russia is switching to Rubles. I meant Iran and Venezuela.

I think you'll find that Rubles are going to be next strongest currency of all. After all, Euro's are mostly fiat anyhow and Russia has all the Gold and Silver. May be your dog should bark to you " buy some Gold and Silver and stop buying beer"? Then you will understand that the NWO has been printing your fiat from nothing and eventually something might soon happen like say, "pushing on string" being the end of inflation? I may know something more about it - but who can say for sure?

I think you'll find that Rubles are going to be next strongest currency of all. After all, Euro's are mostly fiat anyhow and Russia has all the Gold and Silver. May be your dog should bark to you " buy some Gold and Silver and stop buying beer"? Then you will understand that the NWO has been printing your fiat from nothing and eventually something might soon happen like say, "pushing on string" being the end of inflation? I may know something more about it - but who can say for sure?

No you really don't know much about it. And why would Russia's currency be the next strongest currency? Because of gold and silver alone? Obviously you don't know how currencies get valued. And inflation has always happened throughout history, it does not mean we will all live on the street then forced to live in FEMA camps

Thanks for the vote Kojac, much appreciated :

Your right kojac what a sad world we do live and its getting worse by the day.

Well said xman in blackx.

We are all the same race of people. The Human race. We should all live together with respect and tolerance.

Someone try telling that to our leaders who are only motivated by power and greed.

The trouble with humans is that we are to easily brainwashed by our corrupt leaders and until people wake up and start thinking for themselves, then nothing will change.

No you really don't know much about it. And why would Russia's currency be the next strongest currency? Because of gold and silver alone? Obviously you don't know how currencies get valued. And inflation has always happened throughout history, it does not mean we will all live on the street then forced to live in FEMA camps

I am not here to frighten anyone – I came to help. The FED and US government stopped printing 'M3' in April to prevent the American people from knowing how much money and credit the bankers were printing. On the news and in the mainstream papers we see them talking about anything but "money and credit". The average household savings per American family is now (-$10,500) and unlike in the 1980's, the bankers cannot stop the decline of the dollar by merely raising interest rates, Now this is not 1980's and the bankers cannot afford to increase the interest rates (in Real Estate too high) to stabilize the inflation, so if they increase it too high - the market will pop and the dollar will collapse too fast. If they do not increase interest rates and continue printing fiat currency, they will eventually have to stop printing and then after a period of 1.5 years (for the money to stop circulation) deflation will set in. At that point the game is near over. They are coming into the markets daily (I watch them every day - the same criminals) and they are shorting the Gold and Silver markets. But you do not mess with fundamentals! Gold is like a spring and they push it down in value - it will eventually spring out with great force when they lose control - due to many factors including physical purchasing and taking the gold home and buying it etc. Those who do not know how to protect their purchasing power, are going to lose much and the American people have been set to pick up the entire bill.

So why doesn't China stop buying US Treasury Notes and just invest in Gold and Silver, since they know the US dollar will collapse? Well, because they KNOW that if the US economy collapses then the American people cannot really afford to buy all their cheap crap (from free trade) right? So China keeps their lips sealed for now! You need to know that the only way to do well, is to know the game - I do know it very well and those of you who are unaware are playing a rigged market. It's a ponzi scheme!

Devaluation of the dollar (via inflation) is not at 2-4%, but in reality it at 9% or higher. I am one of the few people who know the "M3" today and I will tell you that America will soon become a washed in dollars. As you know, inflation cannot occur when currency is 100% backed by Gold and thus Russia who not only produces gold but owns much of it, the middle-eastern nations and others will have a strong currency. America's dollar is only the world's reserve currency because the world invests highly in its treasury notes. These other nations are now slowly moving away from US Treasury notes and into Gold and Silver. In America we also have a crew in Command who lies to us about everything from unemployment, to God. These people actually consider flipping hamburgers as 'manufacturing', did you know that? Russia is now mimicking the US during the late 1880's, for they have no debt left - Russia went from being in the bottomless pit, to now doing things in just the opposite.

China, US, Britain, Japan will be hit the hardest and the reason I tend to speak to the American people more directly has to do with the regimes in power and also that America has been targeted for destruction. You asked me where I live - well last week I was in Toronto and I read the Toronto Star's article regarding the IMF very concerned over the coming economic crash etc. Several people came to the conclusion that the IMF was not sure what to do! I thought this was funny because although the IMF cannot locate their butt from a hole in the ground, they are part of the clan! In reality, what they are saying is (hint, nudge) "are we going to allow the dollar to collapse slowly, or do we allow it to collapse swiftly and basically we look toward a Depression either way".

So we are in some very dangerous times - I would prefer that all Americans protect themselves by making sure they are in Gold and Silver related assets. If you wish to do well in the upcoming few years, I will help you and anyone else who will listen - I do not want to see people having to suffer.

Originally posted by Cinosamitna
The FED and US government stopped printing 'M3' in April to prevent the American people from knowing how much money and credit the bankers were printing. On the news and in the mainstream papers we see them talking about anything but "money and credit".

Well stated... and very true. Maybe we should throw money out of helicopters like they suggested to improve the economy

Way off topic, but I cannot resist:

Funny how the last guy who wanted to get the US away from the federal reserve was killed in Dallas in 1963. Hmmm. Another funny coincidence is that banker and wanker rhyme.

OK, back to the topic of war with Iran.

Well stated... and very true. Maybe we should throw money out of helicopters like they suggested to improve the economy

Way off topic, but I cannot resist:
Funny how the last guy who wanted to get the US away from the federal reserve was killed in Dallas in 1963. Hmmm. Another funny coincidence is that banker and wanker rhyme. OK, back to the topic of war with Iran.

America has already gone into a recession, as of the other week. The media are not telling the American people the truth. We can calculate this recession - with very small exception - that the 2 year Treasury note has a greater value/yield than the 10 year Treasury note. This we call 'inversion' and if we see inversion for 12 weeks or longer, than 98% of the time it is a Recession.

Sorry for keeping us off topic. But I think you are open-spirited and might be interested to know about this.
Cino

Ay up Giant Panda I completely agree, we got to stop the behaviour as they are a danger to the English Speaking Alliance economy. The ONLY answer is re colonisation of the ME. Like it or not the Yanks and Ruskies put pressure on us during Suez to relinqiush our assets in the ME, and now look, the mad mullahs are dominant and in control. The only way is to RE EDUCATE the locals. That means colonisation, re education and closing down the MAD MADRASSAS that train this jihadi filth. A generation ago the Germans were the biggest threat to world peace, BUT WE RE EDUCATED THEM, and now look at them today, they are as peaceful as a tortoise chewing on a piece of cucumber. It worked before, let it work again.

[Mod Edit: Offensive comment removed. Let's see if we can put our point across without recall to blanket insults - Jak]

[edit on 28/9/06 by JAK]

Dear Everybody:

Of course the U.S. is about to go to war with Iran. A convenient pretext would be the sinking of the USS Enterprise — done by us and blamed on Iran. It’s an old rust bucket (commissioned ca. 1960) and “needs to go anyway”. This could happen as soon as the USS Eisenhower reaches the area around October 21.

Our involvement in the Middle East has always been about — surprise, surprise – OIL! And Iran’s got loads of it and we need it badly. Irak, our latest no-flow-gauge gas station just isn’t enough to offset (peak-oil) production drops everywhere else in the world.

And since the events of 9/11 are directly related to all this (our whatever-it-takes quest for oil) please keep the following in mind:

1. “Al Quada” never existed. It’s an invention of our U.S. government.
2 WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 were brought down by hydrogen bombs (augmented with thermate cutting charges)
3. The damage at the Pentagon was done strictly with bombs.
4. A passenger plane was shot down over Shanksville, PA but not at the “official site”.

Understand these things and you will be able to predict future political events with ease.

Godspeed! We have indeed entered “interesting times”.

If the US tries to invade or attack Iran it will be the biggest fiasco in this nations history. Iran is not Iraq, a an already weakened, fractured country just waiting for the heavy hand of Saddam Hussien to be removed to explode into Balkan style civil strife. Iran is a strong, unified country with a culture that goes back 3,000 years. The people may hate the mullahs but rest assured they will they will protect their country. To attack now, when by all accounts Iran is years off from even attempting a nuclear weapon is foolishness. It would destroy any credibility this nation has left after 6 years of Bush (and thats not very much since we just eliminated Habus Corpus, and don't think for a minute that this new bill will never be used against your average citizen, just you wait.) in the world and could very easily fracture an already over stretched military. We have never had a military revolt in this country, but it gets more and more possible every day.

hey wizard what you been smoking? WTC brought down by hydrogen bombs ? that is absurd. New York would be uninhabitable now if that was done even with a itty bitty tiny weenie yellow pokeadot hydrogen bomb....just doesn't have the same ring as bikini does it?

Dear “Grover”:

It’s Maui Wowie I’ve been smoking. Premo stuff. Yup, you got me there. Naw…just kidding of course!

Unfortunately, when it comes to hydrogen bombs things aren’t the way the used to be. Back in the good ol’ days (ca. 15 years ago) we still needed a conventional atom bomb to trigger the fusion reaction of a hydrogen bomb. Therefore hydrogen bomb explosions always had to be HUGE! Well, sadly, things have changed. We can now activate the nuclear fusion of hydrogen through various other means, e. g. high energy lasers. Which means we can make hydrogen bombs as small or as large as we like. The Russians know this. The Chinese know this. Which is why neither of them will interfere militarily with whatever we do. We’ve got an entirely new set of weapons in our quiver.

Again, our war motives against Iran are only indirectly related to their strive towards acquiring nuclear weapons. Yes, our favorite ally in that region, also sometimes called our “air-craft carrier in the Mid-East” wants us to pummel Iran. But we’re only going to do this because Persia happens to also have something that we want — Texas Tea. You see, as you are certainly already aware, anything we do is morally and godly justified as long as it’s in America’s “strategic interest”.

And oh, by the way, good comment about the “habeas corpus”. Glad to see someone is still paying attention to important matters.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods.