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For someone who is trying to spread freedom and democracy it seems like all that is being spread is more terror. This is blatant disregard for human rights, human life and international laws. This coming from people who over threw Saddam Hussein to stop his horrible ways, only to surpass the horror on to futher extremes and worse levels of terror.
jsobecky said:
And I doubt it's worse now than under Saddam. How much worse can it be than having your tongue pulled out?
Now, more prevalent, maybe. But worse? How is that possible?
Oh, I forgot. They can always be made to wear underwear on their head.
The UN said civilian deaths in Iraq reached an unprecedented level in the last two months, as local Iraqi forces took control of a southern province from withdrawing Italian troops on Thursday, Reuters news agency reported.
More than 6,599 Iraqi civilians had been killed in violent attacks in July and August, higher than the death toll reported in the previous two months, according to a report by the UN Assistance Mission in Iraq.
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Originally posted by Valhall
jsobecky said:
And I doubt it's worse now than under Saddam. How much worse can it be than having your tongue pulled out?
Now, more prevalent, maybe. But worse? How is that possible?
Oh, I forgot. They can always be made to wear underwear on their head.
Congratulations...that post is officially within the top five stupidest posts I've ever read.
"The situation is so bad many people say it is worse than it has been in the times of Saddam Hussein."
You have terrorist groups, you have the military, you have police, you have these militias. There are so many people who are actually abducted, seriously tortured and finally killed," Nowak told reporters at the U.N.'s European headquarters.
"It's not just torture by the government. There are much more brutal methods of torture you'll find by private militias," he said.
A report by the U.N. Assistance Mission in Iraq's Human Rights office cited worrying evidence of torture, unlawful detentions, growth of sectarian militias and death squads, and a rise in "honor killings" of women.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Hold on a second, I read the report, and nowhere does it say "experts now say that is is worse than at the time of Saddam"...
the title of the article is "U.N. expert: Iraq torture might be worse.
One expert says it might be worse. Lets see what else says in there.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Ok, so the more brutal methods are being used by private militias. It could be insurgents trying to take control of the area, and it appears that it is insurgents doing most of the brutal torture, the military doesn't do "honor killings" nor do they do "death squads"....
Iraq: Death Squads And Diplomacy
Countless atrocities, too, have been perpetrated by Sunni gangs and by terrorists associated with Abu Musab Al Zarqawi. But the killings by the Shiite militias are far more chilling because they have an entirely different quality: They are carried out by gunmen tied to the U.S.-supported regime in Baghdad. They don’t draw criticism from U.S. officials, and most American media reports continue to portray the Shiites as victims and the Sunnis as aggressors.
CIA-Trained Iraqi Death Squads Interrogated U.S. Detainees
A group of Iraqi paramilitaries trained by the Central Intelligence Agency to aid US-led invasion forces in 2003 later acted as secret interrogators in US-run prisons set up after the fall of Baghdad, the Washington Post reports.
Anyways, during Saddam's reign people's hands were cut off, their tongues were cut off, and other brutal methods were used. I doubt the coalition is using any of those methods, but if the Iraqi military is using them then there should be some changes and some people going to jail.
I don't buy this article, it is exagerated.
I see people that are so willing, and they want to believe anything and everything bad being said about Iraq just to bash and blame the coalition, for things which for the most part are being done by militants/insurgents/terrorists, that it is really
Sunnis Accuse Iraqi Military of Kidnappings and Slayings
As the American military pushes the largely Shiite Iraqi security services into a larger role in combating the insurgency, evidence has begun to mount suggesting that the Iraqi forces are carrying out executions in predominantly Sunni neighborhoods.
Hundreds of accounts of killings and abductions have emerged in recent weeks, most of them brought forward by Sunni civilians, who claim that their relatives have been taken away by Iraqi men in uniform without warrant or explanation.
Some Sunni men have been found dead in ditches and fields, with bullet holes in their temples, acid burns on their skin, and holes in their bodies apparently made by electric drills. Many have simply vanished.
Originally posted by Valhall
jsobecky said:
And I doubt it's worse now than under Saddam. How much worse can it be than having your tongue pulled out?
Now, more prevalent, maybe. But worse? How is that possible?
Oh, I forgot. They can always be made to wear underwear on their head.
Congratulations...that post is officially within the top five stupidest posts I've ever read.
Two days before, a secret CIA-sponsored group of Iraqi paramilitaries, working with Army interrogators, had beaten Mowhoush nearly senseless, using fists, a club and a rubber hose, according to classified documents.
Originally posted by Ox
I think the point that people are missing that torture is torture.. Its wrong, it's illegal, immoral and just plain wrong..
Originally posted by Ox
It wouldnt surprise me that it's worse than Saddam, Saddam is a barbarian simple.. the CIA are EXPERTS..
Originally posted by Ox
they would use new methods.. probably invent new methods.. and think of the worst possible ways to make these people suffer... for no reason other than to make them suffer..
Originally posted by Ox
These people who are being detained have NOT been proven to be terrorists.. Most of them.. if not all of them are civillians... and they are being made to suffer just to cause more terrorism... PERIOD!..