Why are The Freemasons Recruiting on radio and TV?

This is the problem EB - it isn't a fact. Not a proven one anyway. It's opinion.

And you're the one linking the 'Illuminati' and the freemasons, not ML or me.

It's a well know fact that the freemasons have nothing to do with the Illuminati. Everyone knows that... (sheesh!)

Well then....no one has proven that there ISN'T a link between the Illuminati and the Freemasons either. So, therefore, that too is an opinion and not fact. And EVERYONE doesn't KNOW that....many MANY people believe there is a connection. So maybe you should follow your own advice and not claim something as fact if it IS NOT!

And what I just talked to ML about had NOTHING to do with the link between the Illuminati and the Freemasons...so if you're going to stick your nose in, maybe keep up with what's going on! We were discussing the Illuminati only and I asked him to get back on topic.

It's quite obvious who the Illuminati are.....DENY IGNORANCE!

Now about those Masons........It seems the Masons on here keep trying to turn the focus off themselves and onto the Illuminati as a ploy to not discuss FreeMasonry...quite intriguing. I wonder if you guys realize you are even doing this?

Hello E_B,

Would you care to tell us what it is you find so frightening about the illuminati? I think it will help clear up a few things.


Thanks in advance

Would you care to tell us what it is you find so frightening about the illuminati? I think it will help clear up a few things.

See..again, another one of you turning the focus on the Illuminati and away from the Masons.....why are you doing this? and do you even realize you are doing it?

But if you want an answer...they don't FRIGHTEN me. They repulse me. The level of their greed sickens me. They are sociopaths and traitors. They control most of the world and most of the world's money...isn't that something every human being on the planet should be concerned about? Shouldn't every human being be concerned with a small group of people having this much power over our planet? The ability to kill presidents and Popes, start wars, commit genocides against various peoples throughout the world, playing both sides in wars such as WWII where they sold weapons to the US and to Germany, etc. etc. etc......keeping us in Vietnam when our young boys were coming back in body bags sometimes 500 per week so they could make ridiculous sums of money off the war...this shouldn't bother every citizen of the world?

Every human being on the planet shouldn't be bothered by this? We shouldn't be bothered that these international bankers control the FED and make $1 trillion in profit off it each year (tax free)? WE shouldn't be concerned that they also control the TC, CFR and other political organizations throughout the world? We shouldn't be concerned that they have most politicians and all of Congress in their pockets? We shouldn't be concerned that every country they have given loans to has gone bankrupt (including the US) as a result, which was their plan when they loaned money to all these countries in the first place...this stuff shouldn't concern every human being on the planet? We shouldn't be concerned that the Constitution has been reduced to nothing better than toilet paper in the US??

Want me to continue?

We shouldn't be bothered by the fact that thousands of human beings starve to death every day while these scum bags make more and more money. So much money that it no longer even has any meaning...except to give them complete power over the world and lead us to a NWO. We shouldn't be concerned that in Asia people are basically treated like slaves in sweat shops to manufacture goods for the world so that people like the Illuminati can make tons of money while people are chained to their work stations, make barely enough money to eat one meal a day, can't afford to buy toothbrushes and toothpaste so they have to use ashes and sand to attempt to clean their teeth.....etc.....Slavery isn't dead for a lot of people in Asia...it's alive and well thanks to the greed of the Illuminati and the Illuminati wannabees.

The world wasn't supposed to be set up where a few hold 90% of the money and the rest hold 10% of it. The world wasn't supposed to be set up where a few live like kings while most barely survive and a large sum cannot survive. These Illuminati don't care about anyone on this planet but themselves. They are destroying this planet. They destroyed Democracy in the US a long time ago and most people are completely blind to it. This country hasn't been a Democracy since most of the money got in the hands of a few (read some of the writings of Brandeis). Maybe the US isn't a dictatorship yet...but we are getting there aren't we? We've beome a fascist/socialist country. This shouldn't bother anyone?

Give me a break.........

Get on topic.....FREEMASONS! Quit changing the subject!!

You want to debate me on the Illuminati..start a new thread!! Quit changing the subject to take the attention off the true subject of this thread: WHY ARE THE FREEMASONS ADVERTISING ON TV AND RADIO FOR MEMBERS??


[edit on 29-9-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

if i recall this government is a republic. and to the republic for which it stands. the only democratic part is where it becomes a representative republic. where you are represented by a vote. furthermore the constitution runs the government. the president is sworn to uphold the constitution. thus making our governments correct label, a constitutional representative republic. not democracy. mob rule can be a problem when the majority are retards. back to the point, persuaing something like this terrible idea for a thread, and all your other anti masonic endeavours seem a little biased, kinda like the books you read. I visited that page and it was an advert to educate. If you wanna know about baseball ask a baseball coach. IF you want to know how to place concrete, ask a concrete finisher. If you want to know about free masonry ask one. i think that u might need to listen to the answers though. check

Hello Excitable_Boy,


Thanks for your very thoughtful reply. It does serve to show those areas you are most concerned with. I suppose all I can offer you is the sincere admonition that things aren't always as they appear. So try not to spend to much time worrying. God knows what he's doing



Kindest regards

if i recall this government is a republic.

Yes.....very good job. Our government is supposed to be a "Republic." It is not. It is a fascist/socialist regime at this point and getting worse by the day. Your point is what? Democracy....Republic.....arguing semantics now aren't you? The point I made was that we are truly neither. I don't think fascism or socialism fits the definition of a Republic does it?

And your words about concrete finishers and Masons were very good. I'm just waiting for some of these Masonic experts to talk about it. They keep wanting to change the subject to the Illuminati so they don't have to talk about Masonry....and now YOU join them by wanting to debate the difference between a Republic and a Democracy instead of talking about Masonry.

Let's hear from the Masons....what's it all about? Why the TV and radio ads?? Tell us about your faternity. "Enlighten" us!!

[edit on 30-9-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

telling you about the fraternity is changing the subject as well. Maybe you should start a new thread called...Masons, give us your secrets! That is what you want and that is why u came up with a subject that had and end long ago. This is not about illuminati, and yet you bring it up. You are truly an excitable boy and this you named yourself. Sad and lonely and truly blind.

Oh the reason again for the web advert was to show some poeple a little. You see thier is a bunch of scared poeple like you hiding behind your masks of fear that you want to tear everything apart. The FREEmasons are trying to show you a little about themselves becuase the last thing they want is fear from them. Be not afraid EB and leave the emotional outbreaks for women.

You are in the phase most of these internet masons were when they were children. One day you will see and laugh at your excitable boyish nature.

telling you about the fraternity is changing the subject as well. Maybe you should start a new thread called...Masons, give us your secrets! That is what you want and that is why u came up with a subject that had and end long ago. This is not about illuminati, and yet you bring it up. You are truly an excitable boy and this you named yourself. Sad and lonely and truly blind.

Just as I thought..another Mason dodging the issue. I don't want your "secrets" I'd just like to know about your organization and what merits it has. I'd like to hear it from you FreeMasons and not from various websites out to bash your organization. But none of you want to discuss it all. You are the ones dodging the issue and trying to focus on my Illuminati comments instead of just talking about your fraternity. This shows me that you all indeed have something to hide.

I'm sad and lonely and truly blind? You don't know me friend and have no idea what you are talking about! Maybe we are all blind to your organization because you continue to keep it all secret.....so there is certainly something fishy about the whole thing.

Oh the reason again for the web advert was to show some poeple a little. You see thier is a bunch of scared poeple like you hiding behind your masks of fear that you want to tear everything apart. The FREEmasons are trying to show you a little about themselves becuase the last thing they want is fear from them. Be not afraid EB and leave the emotional outbreaks for women.

Scared people like me? What am I scared of? I just want you all to open up and explain to us what is so wonderful about your fraternity. Instead you dodge everything and focus on what I've said about the Illuminati. Leave the emotional outbreaks for women? That is offensive and shows a lack of respect for women on your part and I'm not sure what it has to do with anything....but you call me a child? The FreeMasons haven't tried to show me anything. They continuously offer no information and dodge questions and attempt to put the focus on the Illuminati instead of themselves......makes it appear that the Illuminati/Mason connection really does exist. Which it truly does anyway as many members of the Illuminati are also Masons.

You are in the phase most of these internet masons were when they were children. One day you will see and laugh at your excitable boyish nature.

NO...I am in the phase where I am starting to realize that there is a lot of truth behind the questionable nature of your organization because of all the secrecy, refusal to anwer questions and dodging questions by talking about the Illuminati instead of the Masons. I am starting to learn a great deal.

One day I won't see and laugh about any of this. It's not funny. It's pretty pathetic!


[edit on 30-9-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy

This is the problem EB - it isn't a fact. Not a proven one anyway. It's opinion.

And you're the one linking the 'Illuminati' and the freemasons, not ML or me.

It's a well know fact that the freemasons have nothing to do with the Illuminati. Everyone knows that... (sheesh!)

Well then....no one has proven that there ISN'T a link between the Illuminati and the Freemasons either. So, therefore, that too is an opinion and not fact. And EVERYONE doesn't KNOW that....many MANY people believe there is a connection. So maybe you should follow your own advice and not claim something as fact if it IS NOT!

And what I just talked to ML about had NOTHING to do with the link between the Illuminati and the Freemasons...so if you're going to stick your nose in, maybe keep up with what's going on! We were discussing the Illuminati only and I asked him to get back on topic.

It's quite obvious who the Illuminati are.....DENY IGNORANCE!

Now about those Masons........It seems the Masons on here keep trying to turn the focus off themselves and onto the Illuminati as a ploy to not discuss FreeMasonry...quite intriguing. I wonder if you guys realize you are even doing this?

A. You can't prove a negative - as everyone knows (sheesh!)

B. You started talking about the Illuminati. All I've done is talk mostly about freemasonry for two years and get criticized for it and now someone comes along and demands I talk about freemasonry (sheesh!)

C. As for the rest of your post, you need to (a) learn some manners and (b) learn what emoticons are and what a grinning one means... (sheesh!)

One doesn't "stick one's nose in" in a public discussion forum - I can see you have no desire to learn anything about freemasonry but just wish to bolster your existing preconceptions.

Have fun...

well said and better than I could have.

Maybe my comment was offensive to you if you were a girl and to the women I apologize, its not my fault.

This topic was about the advertising. not the secrets of masonry.

You will never get it, i see u cant see only talk. you cant speak truth hiding from behind the masks of fear. Anger, jealousy, rage, are all masks fear wears. You walk on what you seek, but cant see. I am not a mason and would love to accept you except i expect you to not accept but like i said, one day you will see what you look like when you bully and yell claims and ask for information about something you despise. Who would give you ammunition to use back at them.

Maybe you should start a thread saying, "You masons are bad and tell me your secrets."

It's amazing....post after post after post by these people and no one is willing to discuss FreeMasonry....very strange indeed. I don't want to know any secrets....I would just like to know why I should believe the Masons are good guys out to do good deeds instead of believing they are in bed with the Illuminati and their ultimate goal is NOT a good one for the planet.

That's all I want. I don't think that is a lot to ask...but continue to dodge questions, divert everyone's attention from what is being asked by talking about the Illuminati and anything else but the true topic of this thread.....Masons. Tell me I have bad manners and am childish, etc.....make me out to be some bad guy so you don't have to answer any questions and just let us know why the Masons are so great. I don't want secrets......just tell me why the Masons are so wonderful instead of telling me why I am not so wonderful.

Stay on topic.....focus. Why are you wonderful bunch of human beings advertising for members on the radio and TV? And why would one want to become a Mason? What is in it for someone to join? How would it benefit one's life?

Now......think of something else to focus on instead of answering these simple questions that have NOTHING to do with wanting to know any damn secrets of the Masons. I could care less about the secrets. If there are secrets, that would be a topic for another thread.

First of all have you heard of the shriners? Are they bad people? Well you have to be a mason to be a shriner.
Based on that, It is a big charity. You are poor as a mason and the money you give is for helping poeple, like children and vaccinations. And then thier are poeple telling you your the devil and illuminati and that your being ripped off.
It would excite almost anyone except at the same time you are develpoing other important moral lessons that all men agree upon.
If you were a masonic brother you would look at someone ridiculing you as someone who doesnt even know. But they keep teaching good morals and positve thinking and giving thier own money to help others.
My father and both grandfathers and 1 uncle are also masons and high at that. I can assure you that my father is enlightened and is powerful in his morals only. But he has only given his money to help. And i hear someone who doesnt know the first thing talk like he read it all on the internet go into wild tangents based on a biased book reading expedition and insult my father. who has taken care of many of my freinds who acted childish. Everyone knows he is a mason and they could not ponder him being after power. He probably has taught over 30 kids that they could win if they tried.
I got one chance for you to twist him into illuminati. He did run for city council and win based on his good nature. He later never ran for re election because he said being in politics is a place where every decision pisses off half the poeple.
I want to know you brother and accept you for who you are, but first so do you.

If you were a masonic brother you would look at someone ridiculing you as someone who doesnt even know. But they keep teaching good morals and positve thinking and giving thier own money to help others.
My father and both grandfathers and 1 uncle are also masons and high at that. I can assure you that my father is enlightened and is powerful in his morals only. But he has only given his money to help. And i hear someone who doesnt know the first thing talk like he read it all on the internet go into wild tangents based on a biased book reading expedition and insult my father. who has taken care of many of my freinds who acted childish. Everyone knows he is a mason and they could not ponder him being after power. He probably has taught over 30 kids that they could win if they tried.
I got one chance for you to twist him into illuminati. He did run for city council and win based on his good nature. He later never ran for re election because he said being in politics is a place where every decision pisses off half the poeple.
I want to know you brother and accept you for who you are, but first so do you.

It's nice to finally hear a positive story about the Masons. It only took 14 pages. This is all I was asking for. It sounds like your father is a very good man. My father was also a very good man...he passed away some years ago...but he was a good, honest, decent man and it's good to hear that yours is the same. There aren't enough good, honest, decent people in the world.....

BTW....I haven't ridiculed anyone. Not one person on this thread, except yourself, has given me a chance to see any side of this organization other than what I have read.....so I thank you for giving me a reality check.....a chance to hear a true story about someone who is a member of the Masons and a good person. Thank you very much.

[edit on 30-9-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

well i called my father and spoke to him for a bit. He said that the masons had what you might call a population boom right after world war 1 and 2 because alot of the men coming out of the war were used to brotherhood and needed something. hence all the frats with the old guys, mooses whatevere. Sice then their has been a systematic decline of members in all fraternities because obviously these guys are passing away. So, my father is in the iowa grand lodge as a senior deacon at the grand lodge and has been past master for 18 years. he became master at 28. He said that a young mason who also is a gifted scholar in Iowa did a presentation on how other companies web pages have changed over the last 10 years and the masonic web pages really didnt seem to inform or change with the times. U have to understand that most of these men dont even really know about the internet nor do they recruit.. So a campaign with the younger masons will defintiely be showing the update of their fashions. To try to inform a lil better with the times. THis is what he said is probably happening based on what is happening in iowa. and yes all lodges have a universal set up but each act indepedently. hope this helps.

But you didn't answer my question. What personal experience do YOU have with Freemasons and why do you dislike us?

APPAK.....I now have a personal experience because 14 pages into my post someone was actually willing to share a story about FreeMasonry. I'm not sure why you FreeMasons made this all so difficult. It appears you want to make your fraternity mysterious and not share any information with the world....thus you are all guilty of making people not understand your group and also guilty of causing people to believe the supposed lies being spread about the organization.

And....I never said I disliked any of you......

If I were a Mason, I would be concerned about members of the Illuminati also being members of the Masons (i.e. the Rothschilds)...but otherwise, it appears to be a pretty decent organization!! Except, of course, for the fact that some members of the fraternity have a chip on their shoulders.

I think to learn more I need to become one!!

i really agree with you E_B, they are trying to sabotage every post you can make around masons and illuminati and this is too bad.

the funniest is to ask them who are the legitimate masons?

if the actor from seinfield Kramer is 33th degree it is a very good sign we are going to laugh a lot in the future but i am not sure this is going to be for good reasons.

speak with you soon around the post blockers-polluters...LOL

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
APPAK.....I now have a personal experience because 14 pages into my post someone was actually willing to share a story about FreeMasonry. I'm not sure why you FreeMasons made this all so difficult. It appears you want to make your fraternity mysterious and not share any information with the world....thus you are all guilty of making people not understand your group and also guilty of causing people to believe the supposed lies being spread about the organization.

EB,

You asked why Masons are advertising on TV/Radio and it's been answered SEVERAL times (at least twice by myself)

You DIDN'T ask "what are the Freemasons about" "Will someone share with me why they are Freemasons?" You made ridiculous claims about Freemasonry's alledged connection with the (I guess "modern-day") Illuminati.

There is TONS of information being shared with the world on the internet and in bookstores all over. All you have to do is look. Masons don't have to point it out to you. I'll give you a hint, though. If you want legitimate information, use sources from actual Masons, Grand Lodges, etc. Anti-Masonic sites and publications tend to spread something other than "light" (if you know what I mean)

This site:

www.masonicinfo.com...

is FULL of very good Masonic information. It also has PAGES AND PAGES refuting (with documentation, I might add) garbage spread by Anti-Masons and hate-mongers.

A Google search for "Grand Lodge" will turn up numerous Grand Lodges from various jurisdictions that are FULL of good info on Masonry. A Google search for "Freemasonry" or "Masonry" will turn up a lot, too, but you'll have to put your boots on and wade through some of the "non-light" that is being spread by those "non-light" spreaders.

As far as hearing from Masons about what we do, why we're Masons, etc. that simply doesn't fit into the purposes of this forum. This is for conspiracy-related topics and there's no conspiracy involved in why I am a Mason or what Masonry does.

If the ATS owners would set up a Freemasonry forum, it would be fine, but extolling the puposes of Masonry simply isn't appropriate for this thread or this forum.

Send me a U2U and I'll GLADLY tell you anything you want to know about Freemasonry (as would, I'm sure, ANY Mason on this forum) We have nothing to hide.

...and in case you missed the answer to the only real question of this thread.

Masons advertise on TV & Radio to let others know who we are and what we do. Like any organization, we MUST have new members joining to stay in existance. Older members die or lose interest, new members must take their place. If we do not bring new members into the fraternity, some day there will be no fraternity.

And apparently it's working. I see and hear of a LOT of younger guys (20's - 30's) joining our fraternity.

And....I never said I disliked any of you......

I'm glad that you don't dislike us. It's not very sensible to dislike someone you don't even know, ya' know?

If I were a Mason, I would be concerned about members of the Illuminati also being members of the Masons (i.e. the Rothschilds).

I won't respond to that except to say that every time Illumanti gets mentioned you get bent out of shape and claim the subject is being changed...and yet, you keep turning to the Illuminati (an organization who's existence isn't proven...and with good reason)

..but otherwise, it appears to be a pretty decent organization!! Except, of course, for the fact that some members of the fraternity have a chip on their shoulders.

Seems to be going around, huh?

I think to learn more I need to become one!!

You would learn a LOT if you did. But if you are an HONEST man and truthful you had better keep this in mind. You will be asked a number of questions before being initiated; two of which are:

Do you solemnly declare, upon your honor, that, unbiased by friends and uninfluenced by mercenary motives, you freely and voluntarily offer yourself a candidate for the mysteries of Freemasonry?

Do you solemnly declare upon your honor, that you are prompted to solicit the privileges of Freemasonry by a favorable opinion conceived of the Institutaion and an honest desire for knowledge?

If you cannot HONESTLY answer these questions "Yes" then you may be initiated, and hold a membership in a Lodge, but you'll NEVER really be a Mason.

I don't know how to explain it any better than that.


Peace.

You would learn a LOT if you did. But if you are an HONEST man and truthful you had better keep this in mind. You will be asked a number of questions before being initiated; two of which are:

That's cool APPAk....thanks for the info. And...peace to you also friend!!

is FULL of very good Masonic information. It also has PAGES AND PAGES refuting (with documentation, I might add) garbage spread by Anti-Masons and hate-mongers.

No offense here, but it works both ways. Each side's sites have info saying negative stuff about the other side or refuting the negative stuff said by other sites.

[edit on 1-10-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
No offense here, but it works both ways. Each side's sites have info saying negative stuff about the other side or refuting the negative stuff said by other sites.

To some extent you're right. However, this particular site is really good about noting the claims of anti-Masons, etc. and refuting the claims with actual documentation.

Too many of the "anti" sites take the general attitude of "This is what I say, so BELIEVE IT!" No substance to back up the claims, just wild speculation and bold assumptions.

Oh, and here's another excellent resource:

web.mit.edu...

[edit on 1-10-2006 by Appak]

no one is going to ask you to bend down and this is normal you are defending your steak. you know i used to be a totally convinced, probably illuminated in the wrong sense catholic.

i jsut believed everything said in church was the correct way, the only way and i couldn t see other maybe also didn t want to because there is a feeling of confort when you are at the church to consent with others.

religion is just philosophy, it should help you do better deeds, learn and to a certain extend develop yourself. Any religion should call for tolerance, non violence and should prevail respect.

one fact is that radio and TV in general are screwing our kids mind with violent stuff. no mentionning the disney crap...

of course the key of our world is communication. i f you control the message you control everything as people are thinking in consensus most of the time.

simply the problem is that we are facing intelligent people that knows how to hedge with both sides...