Is the Most Illuminated Person an Illuminati?

Originally posted by GreatTech
Originally posted by denythestatusquo
No not possible. Because Illuminism is the religion of self, serving self and this closes off access to truths and knowledge and experiences that lead to true enlightenment.
vements for elightenment is a sham: it can't take you where you want to go.

Is this your argument?: God is superior to man (personally, I cannot disagree). Humans are inferior to God (personally, I cannot disagree). Therefore, we must follow God only (I completely agree). Following groups is at best, following God indirectly, and not the best use of our time which should be directly devoted to God.

That is where you end up with the creator but I think that it 'may be possible' to create a society that does a better job of enlightenment than any we have already seen before.

Originally posted by masonite
What do you think that person has been exposed to? Do you think he has done it by himself?

What happens when you recive this much light? Do you absorbe or reflect? Can more light be positive?negative?or contradiction?

Does knowing the machine make you become a bigger part of the machine or is that blindness by the...

Masonite, probing questions.

Originally posted by masonite
What do you think that person has been exposed to?

I believe he has been exposed to a Christian sect that believes that anybody can become Jesus Christ. I personally believe that there was and will only be one Son of God and that person is Jesus Christ. Until he suffers on the cross for three hours, I have serious doubts.

For me, I consider myself a servant of God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by masonite
Do you think he has done it by himself?

I do not believe in human free will. I only believe in God's Infinite Will. I think God is teaching him about the wrong of delusions of grandeur. He will in the future find the truth of what is true and right.

Originally posted by masonite
What happens when you recive this much light? Do you absorbe or reflect? Can more light be positive?negative?or contradiction?

I admit, very powerful statements made by dAlen. Personally, I want to receive as much light as possible but if it is not completely light as I believe in this case, I mostly reject the statements. We are part of the never-ending learning process that God has set into motion for us. But the learning process is much kinder than a machine learning process.

I find that very true about person or persons believing anyone can do it. IE how do we interpret Hiram? This is a serious arguement. It is even bigger if you consider anything ever exposed on a public level. I am not stating masonic but by man. If you are to consider an antichrist true or any living person with evil intent or tester of faith what have you. Now consider if I knew the way to do things what would happen to most people atheists people who have been exposed to mysteries right. Levels of gnosis can be confusing to say the least. I imagine if you were to practice forms of gnosis orthodox or unorthodox it will come down to the person or group though f what is true. If I can levitate a cup than what is so special about Jesus or when moses tossed the staff? This is a serious problem for people that experience gnosis. Now take this to the one or few who have seen it all at the most extreme point without getting yanked from earth by self or who knows what. My arguement could not be more just than if it were to happen. Experience equals influence I suppose. If you see a person coming of such stature than I suppose what is said is true. So the evil fellow of highest illumination looks at its machine so close it becomes a greater part of will I suppose. As you said if we are part of the will already I imagine higher levels of exposure deepens or works. Take kabbalah for example it is said it is looking under God's veil. How god works. Considered a sin in Torah not mention much in the New Testement. Anyway I guess we all have a role big or small. As bad as the action maybe by this person the role is there to be had. I am not sure where to go with this from what I said. I guess a deeper look at what is to come or not...

Originally posted by GreatTech

Originally posted by masonite
What do you think that person has been exposed to? Do you think he has done it by himself?

What happens when you recive this much light? Do you absorbe or reflect? Can more light be positive?negative?or contradiction?

Does knowing the machine make you become a bigger part of the machine or is that blindness by the...

Masonite, probing questions.

Originally posted by masonite
What do you think that person has been exposed to?

I believe he has been exposed to a Christian sect that believes that anybody can become Jesus Christ. I personally believe that there was and will only be one Son of God and that person is Jesus Christ. Until he suffers on the cross for three hours, I have serious doubts.

For me, I consider myself a servant of God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by masonite
Do you think he has done it by himself?

I do not believe in human free will. I only believe in God's Infinite Will. I think God is teaching him about the wrong of delusions of grandeur. He will in the future find the truth of what is true and right.

Originally posted by masonite
What happens when you recive this much light? Do you absorbe or reflect? Can more light be positive?negative?or contradiction?

I admit, very powerful statements made by dAlen. Personally, I want to receive as much light as possible but if it is not completely light as I believe in this case, I mostly reject the statements. We are part of the never-ending learning process that God has set into motion for us. But the learning process is much kinder than a machine learning process.

masonite, are some, most, or all masons a gnostic or mystic? Both? Neither?