9-11 VS. 7-7

I'm making this thread to demonstrate that when comparing 9/11 and 7/7 the
similarities between the two are quite unreal. When you think about
the two together (and also events like the OC bombing) a pattern,
a seemingly devious method of operations, and conspiritorial
framwork emerges quite clearly my fiends.

I am going to attempt to not get into specific technicalities as much as I can
and just briefly compare the actions and reactions of the UK and US governments, and their
agencies regarding both attacks.

It would be good if people could add more info on this top into the thread. There
must be more similarities out there.

For those who do not believe crazed paranoid wackos like myself, I can only
suggest taking a step back, ignore details of molten metal, UFO's
and explosive rigging techniques, take a deep breath and.. look at
the freekin'bigger picture godamit.

Anyway, lets get things rolling. Remember this is not even half of the information out
Look for yourselfs! Please!



Prior Intelligence - the 'attackers' followed before attacks / warnings

In both instances we have seen unusual occurances in the Isreali
department, and in both instances it appears that insiders had
warnings preceeding the attacks. We all know about the text messages
and the
dancing Israelis right?


U.K was warned

The biggest question of the day is
British Authorities knew and protected
Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu(from the bombings), then
why not common British citizens in London?

www.indiadaily.com...

Remind you of 9/11 at all?

U.S was warned

"This is a question that's been asked by many Americans, but especially by the
widows of September 11th. How were we so asleep at the switch? How did a war targeting
civilians arrive on our homeland with seemingly no warning?"

Rumsfeld is apparently shaken by this young reporter's forthrightness.

First, he admits what few else dare:

"There were lots of warnings."

www.thememoryhole.org...

U.S. intelligence agencies provided "a modest, but relatively steady stream" of
intelligence information that terrorist attacks inside the country were a
possibility, a congressional investigator told lawmakers Wednesday

www.pbs.org...

U.K Tracked suspects before attack

The four men who brought carnage to streets of the capital on July 7 were
watched by intelligence officers a year before they killed 52 people on Tube trains
and a bus.

But security chiefs called off the operation after it was decided the gang posed no
threat. Last week the Mirror revealed how 30-year-old ringleader Mohammed Sidique Khan
was filmed with a terror suspect last year and spotted chatting to an al-Qaeda fixer.
No action was taken against him

www.mirror.co.uk...=16325181%26method=full%26siteid=94762-name_page.html


U.S tracked suspects before attack

I feel at this point that I have to put my concerns in writing concerning
the important topic of the FBI's response to evidence of terrorist activity
in the United States prior to September 11th. The issues are fundamentally
ones of INTEGRITY and go to the heart of the FBI's law enforcement mission
and mandate......

During the early aftermath of September 11th, when I happened
to be recounting the pre-September 11th events concerning the Moussaoui investigation
to other FBI personnel in other divisions or in FBIHQ, almost everyone's first question
was "Why?--Why would an FBI agent(s) deliberately sabotage a case? (I know I shouldn't
be flippant about this, but jokes were actually made that the key FBIHQ personnel had
to be spies or moles, like Robert Hansen, who were actually working for Osama Bin Laden
to have so undercut Minneapolis' effort.

www.time.com...




In both cases higher ups stopped the tracking of thos envolved in the attacks.





The attacks - unbelievable drills

Stepping aside from reports in both attacks of different goings on and detailed analysis,
look at one of the most unbelievable and undeiable aspect of the attacks on both 9/11 and 7/7..

In both attacks the government was carrying out a "terror drill " of the exact same
scenario of what was actually happening, AT THE SAME TIME!

Now apparently the chances of a "terror excercise" happening at the precise time
as an actually "terror attack" are somewhere in the region of

PROBABILITY OF DRILL AND TERROR ATTACK COINCIDING BY CHANCE (10yr mean):
One chance in 3,715,592,613,265,750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

www.infowars.com...

U.K

On 7/7, the supposed "drill" was not only at the same time, but on the same trains and
stations

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for
a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off
precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the
hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would
cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a
company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening
and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd
met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real
one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures
to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.

(BBC Radio Interview, 7 July 2005)

www.globalresearch.ca...
Interview MP: julyseventh.co.uk...

What in God's hell?

Of course this links up with 7/7 eyewhitnesses claiming that bombs exploded from under
the train, the strange fact that the Bus that exploded was directed off its normal
route by police before it exploded and the fact that For short while after the attacks
happened (I whitnessed this first hand as I waited for my train and none arrived. "power surge"
was the reason given over the station loud speaker).

U.S

1. CIA Sponsored Exercise on the Morning of 9/11

On the morning of September 11 2001, within minutes of the attack on the World Trade
Center and the Pentagon, the CIA had been running
"a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be
created if a plane were to strike a building". The simulation was held at the CIA
Chantilly Virginia Reconnaissance Office.

The Bush administration described the event as "a bizarre coincidence".
The matter was not mentioned by the media.(AP, 22 August 2002)

www.globalresearch.ca...



The Attackers - known associates and agents

U.K

On FOX News Channel's Day Side, Terrorism Expert
John Loftus revealed that Haroon Rashid Aswat, the
suspect wanted by British Police for "masterminding"
the July 7th London bombings and July 21st attempted
bombings is in fact an asset of MI6, the British Secret
Service. According to Loftus, Aswat
has been under the protection of MI6 for many years.

www.theinsider.org...

U.S

The person who the government claimed masterminded the attacks also happens to be an old
asset of the CIA and a relative of a family the Bushes have had dealings with for years.

Linked back to the 80's and the CIA support of terrorists.

The program, reported the Independent, was part of a Washington-approved plan
called "Operation Cyclone".

In Pakistan, recruits, money and equipment were distributed to the mujaheddin
factions by an organisation known as Maktab al Khidamar (Office of Services - MAK).

MAK was a front for Pakistan's CIA, the Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate. The
ISI was the first recipient of the vast bulk of CIA and Saudi Arabian covert assistance for the Afghan contras. Bin Laden was one of three people who ran MAK.
In 1989, he took overall charge of MAK..............

The Independent also suggested that Shiekh Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian religious leader also
jailed for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, was also part of Operation Cyclone. He entered the
US in 1990 with the CIA's approval. A confidential CIA report concluded that the agency
was "partly culpable" for the 1993 World Trade Center blast, the Independent
reported.

100777.com...

While he was hospitalised, bin Laden received visits from many members of his
family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. During the hospital stay, the
local CIA agent,
known to many in Dubai, was seen taking the main elevator of the hospital to
go to bin Laden's hospital room.

A few days later, the CIA man bragged to a few friends about having visited bin
Laden. Authorised sources say that on July 15th, the day after bin Laden returned
to Quetta, the CIA agent was called back to headquarters.

www.globalresearch.ca...



continued.......

[edit on 13/9/2006 by earthtone]

Response - release suspects

Again, in the aftermath, the responses of each Government is
very similar. Quickly the governments name the attackers.

U.K
Tony Blair announces the attackers are an 'unkown group claiming
the attack in the name of Al-Qaida.
theg-thang.tripod.com...
U.S
George Bush announces shortly after the attacks that it committed
by Al-Quaida, and masterminded by nutorious figure Osama bin Laden.


So what does each government subsequently do after these comments?

U.K

where British citizens should be demanding of Prime Minister Blair why
SIS/MI6 was using Haroon Aswat as an agent, and why, as John Loftus claims,
was Aswat – who was on the British security services ‘Watch List’, allowed to
leave the UK, when the British Police were desperately searching for him?

newsmine.org...

THe U.K goverment does not even detain one of the main suspects Aswat, the man named also
as an MI6 asset. He is let go.


U.S

After naming Bin Laden as the key suspect, the whole Bin Laden family is allowed
to fly out of the U.S even though there is a strict no-fly policy in operation.

(CBS) Two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's family were urgently evacuated
from the United States in the first days following the terrorist attacks on
New York and Washington, according to the Saudi ambassador to Washington.

www.cbsnews.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">[www.cbsnews.com...



What they do is let key people just slip away.



Identification - mysteriously convenient findings

U.S

ccording to ABC News and the Associated Press, the passport of hijacker
Satam Al Suqami was found a few blocks from the WTC. 1 2 The Guardian was
skeptical: "the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged
[tests] the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI's crackdown on
terrorism." 3 Note the passport did not belong to Atta, as is commonly
claimed.

911research.wtc7.net...

CNN is reporting that 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah's visa was found
in the remains of Flight 93 which went down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania

www.prisonplanet.com...

U.K

# Mohammad Sidique Khan: Aged 30, from Beeston, Leeds,
recently moved to Dewsbury, married with baby. ID found at Edgware
Road blast site.
# Hasib Mir Hussain (confirmed): Aged 18, lived Holbeck, Leeds.
two years ago. ID found in No 30 bus.

en.wikinews.org...'mastermind'_of_London_bombings_captured_in_Egypt

Manipulation - scare the people more

U.K

Blair also reiterated that another attempted attack in London
is 'likely', but added that 'it doesn't mean it's certain.
It doesn't mean it will inevitably succeed', he said.

What the flying flase flag is this supposed mean tony?
Likely, but not certain, expected, but not inevitable,
constant terror, yet state provided safety..........
at the expense of the [B]FREEDOM TO LIVE OUR LIVES[/B].
Double speak!

And of course in his speach to the commons after the attacks Blair
digs into what we all know is coming....

There is then the issue of further anti-terrorist legislation.
During the passage of the Prevention of Terrorism Act earlier this year we pledged
to introduce a further counter-terrorism Bill later in this session.

More legislation which allows the goverment more access to peoples lives,
less oppurtunity to protest, blanket bills eroding the human rights of 'terrorists'
in the custody of the government or police.

U.S

“a war against terrorism’s attack on our way of life” —
an attack coming from foes “committed to denying free people the
opportunity to live as they choose”

- rumsfeld

The terrorists' directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews,
to kill all Americans and make no distinctions among military and civilians,
including women and children. This group and its leader, a person named Osama
bin Laden, are linked to many other organizations in different countries, including
the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.

- George Bush

The outcome disappearing freedoms and unjustified war

In an statement given to his newly appointed lawyer, Mohammed has given an
account of how he was tortured for more than two years after being questioned by US
and British officials who he believes were from the FBI and MI6. As well as being beaten
and subjected to loud music for long periods, he claims his genitals were sliced with
scalpels.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Guantánamo Bay is a "shocking affront to the principles of democracy" and
a violation of the rule of law, the lord chancellor, Lord Falconer, said today.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Our freedoms are dissapearing, wars are being waged. This is the outcome of these events.
Funnily enough this is exactely what the governments have wanted to do for years, more
power, more resources to keep the machine on its feet. More money on weapons and defence,
less opposition, more fear.

conclusion

"In this difficult hour, the people of Great Britain can know
the American people stand with you."

- George Bush after 7/7

Well, in the authors opinion, certainly Bush and Blairs administrations
were 'standing together' in the instances of these horrible
crimes which both have clearly furthered the shared agenda of the
neo-nazi swine who rule over us and our planet.




[edit on 13/9/2006 by earthtone]

Very nicely done man. I was wondering if a thread with a compilation of articles suggesting evidence of foreknowledge like this existed. You and Jack Tripper both get 2 of my votes for WTS this month. Good job!

You have voted earthtone for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.

great thread, thx for getting all this info together.

*bookmarks"

Originally posted by BrokenVisage
I was wondering if a thread with a compilation of articles suggesting evidence of foreknowledge like this existed.

You have voted earthtone for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.

Thanks. This is only a quick look into it all, just a point of showing the similiarities surrounding both events....they both stink.

I just hope people who have their heads stuck in the 9/11 quagmire can lift it out and see the bigger picture, the bigger issues of who stood to gain and who could have pulled it off, who made the money, why and how people knew it was going to happen before it did, why did london go down the same as 9/11. . Look at both events and see the manipulation that is happening.

For example, the government dealing with the pentagon crash. They release one grainy, unhelpfull video which people argue about for years. Then after a while they release a new one, to "put the conspiricy theories to rest." and its basically the same wretched video which proves nothing much other than "something hit the pentagon."

They add fuel to the disinformation choked fire, keep people arguing, devide and freekin' conquer.

so for years people argue over missile theories and global hawks, and remote control planes, whilst not actually focusing on the people....the people who are quite happily carrying on their business and profit making in the form of war, fear and violence.

As apposed to 'what' hit the pentagon, a more productive stance might be 'how' did 'whatever it was' manage to hit the center of the most advanced military force in the world. How?

im all for the truth movement and the science side as well, but it leads us round in circles because of the great magnitude of the task.

Unless we have access to information and evidence which we can't get its hard to prove government involvment that way. Besides both events were first of a kind things, you can always say that "you dont know that wouldn't have happened, this has never happened before".

What you can't deny are the actions of the government. All the whitewashing, lies, and denial.....and , after all this horror, their profit on what has happened and how well it has all worked out in terms of plans made long before 9/11.

I slipped, and bumped into this thread.... Doesn't anyone else have any other instances of similarities between the two attacks? Don't any patriots want to disagree? gosh darn it.

These two 'terror operations' fit the same conspiratorial famework do they not?

Great thread mate. It's a shame more people don't start researching the real world side of the whole 911/77 debacle, rather than wasting their time and energy with all the crackpot Alex Jones-esque hologram bombs in buildings rubbish.

The drills at attack locations alone is more evidence of something dodgy than any amount of supposed squibs or 'freefall' collapses.

You have my vote this month, keep up the good work.

You forgot to add that Rudy Giuliani was at both attacks also.

Thought you should know that. I find that highly suspicious.

www.globalresearch.ca...
Rudolph Giuliani, who was mayor of New York City at the time of the 9/11 attacks, was staying at the Great Eastern hotel on the 7th of July, where TASE was hosting its economic conference, with Israel's Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as keynote speaker.

Giuliani was having a business breakfast meeting in his room at the Great Eastern Hotel, close to Liverpool Street station when the bombs went off:

"I didn't hear the Liverpool Street bomb go off," he explains. "One of my security people came into the room and informed me that there had been an explosion. We went outside and they pointed in the direction of where they thought the incident had happened. There was no panic. I went back in to my breakfast. At that stage, the information coming in to us was very ambiguous." (quoted in the Evening Standard, 11 July 2005.)

[edit on 9/19/2006 by ThichHeaded]

waytogo, hunter s. earthtone. i gave you one of them twat votes, too.

ex-police chief, julian fantino is the toronto illuminati guy. he was (most probably) in on it, too. he is pretty high up on the chain of the 'emergency management' for ontario, which is directly affiliated with the company running the terror drills on 7/7.

practically the day after 911, toronto hosted a GLOBAL police convention. fantino was chief at that time.

see you in 1984.

Originally posted by billybob


ex-police chief, julian fantino is the toronto illuminati guy. he was (most probably) in on it, too. he is pretty high up on the chain of the 'emergency management' for ontario, which is directly affiliated with the company running the terror drills on 7/7.

practically the day after 911, toronto hosted a GLOBAL police convention. fantino was chief at that time.

see you in 1984.

I have been searching....do you know any way of confirming the link bewteen this guy and the 7/7 drills? What company does it go through ? This is certainly good information, the kind I am looking for, thank you!

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
You forgot to add that Rudy Giuliani was at both attacks also.

Thought you should know that. I find that highly suspicious.

Thanks TH, I didn't know this. Very suspicious, at both crime scenes! Great info

I love this though

There was no panic. I went back in to my breakfast. At that stage, the information coming in to us was very ambiguous." (quoted in the Evening Standard, 11 July 2005.)

Would you go 'back to breakfast' after hearing explosions? After being the mayor of NYC during 9/11 you would have thought the guy might be a little more, how do I say, bothered about such things happening...

Yes the information was ambiguous indeed. Why we were told (i was there) that it was a power surge for like nearly an hour or something is strange considering that the terror drill would have ment that they were closely monitering what was happening. perhaps this is somehow part of the operation?

Good review of information

This isn't exactly PROOF, but, it's interesting nevertheless..Freemasonry.

If you're not aware of what freemasonry, look it up. It's basically a secretive group. They're fascinated with numbers. Spicific numbers. 1, 3, 7, 9, 11, 13, 32, 33..those are the ones I know of. But, take a look at it again..

7 9 11

7/7 | 9/11

Just coincidence? I think not

Originally posted by DickBinBush


7/7 | 9/11

Just coincidence? I think not

I have always had a feeling in my guts that the actual dates of both attacks are significant, although I have never really pinned it down to anything. The '11' in '9/11' looks like the twin towers!

Thanks for the info

Originally posted by earthtone

Originally posted by DickBinBush


7/7 | 9/11

Just coincidence? I think not

I have always had a feeling in my guts that the actual dates of both attacks are significant, although I have never really pinned it down to anything. The '11' in '9/11' looks like the twin towers!

Thanks for the info

I've never really put too much stock into the 11 looking like the twin towers thing because, what tower doesn't look like that? I've more focused on the dates and the significance of those numbers. 11 is considered the "master number" in freemasonry. Also notice, 9/11: 9+1+1=11. G.W.'s dad held a "Towards New World Order" speech at the U.N. September 11, 1990, which is exactly 11 years before the attacks. Construction on the Pentagon started September 11, 1941. Even the flight numbers on that day, Flight 11, Flight 175 (1+7+5=13), Flight 77 (as I mentioned 7 is a masonic number, but, could also have been a sign maybe? 7/7..?), and Flight 93 (9 and 3 being masonic numbers but could resemble the year the first attack on the world trade center occured, 1993). Lot's of strange "coincidences" in numbers, if we can even still call them that.

Interesting stuff I never knew that the infamous 'new world order' speech was given on the 11th of september, nice catch! Especially seeing as it was eleven years before the attacks!

Yhe I was kinda joking about the '11' looking like the towers busines...I bet if you looked in depth at all the numbers around the events you could find many 'coincidences'. Of the top of my head I can think that the number of the bus in the the London attacks was no. 30 : 3 + 0 = 3. You said that 3 was an important masonic number. Although, ya know, 7 + 7 = 14 .....

Originally posted by earthtone
Interesting stuff

I never knew that the infamous 'new world order' speech was given on the 11th of september, nice catch! Especially seeing as it was eleven years before the attacks!

Yhe I was kinda joking about the '11' looking like the towers busines...I bet if you looked in depth at all the numbers around the events you could find many 'coincidences'. Of the top of my head I can think that the number of the bus in the the London attacks was no. 30 : 3 + 0 = 3. You said that 3 was an important masonic number. Although, ya know, 7 + 7 = 14 .....

Yeah 7+7=14..they're not always going to add up. Point is 7 is a number and 77 was one of the flights. I think we all get the point though..there's alot of weird "coincidences" with numbers

wiki fantino .....this tidbit is 'cute'...

In March 2005, the CBC announced that they had obtained documents via the Access to Information Act showing that between 1998 and 2005 Toronto had spent $30,633,303.63 settling lawsuits against police.

CBC reports charges of corruption there are two other links worth following on that page.this one, and this one, and best for last, this one.

first day on the new job

Julian Fantino is marking his first day as Ontario's new emergency management commissioner today with a junket to Israel to study security and anti-terrorism measures.

a letter of protest

'kay, i'm hitting 'post reply', though i've more to find....
that's a pretty fair bit of reading and breadcrumbs, though.

Just come across this thread. More 'coincidences' occur to me:

Both events involved four incidents:

US : 4 planes

UK : 3 trains + 1 bus


Both events occurred at (almost) exactly the same time of day:

US [The 9/11 Commission Report, Executive Summary]:

At 8:46 on the morning of September 11, 2001, the Unites States became a nation transformed.

UK julyseventh.co.uk... :

8:46am First report of a "huge bang" at Aldgate East and passengers fleeing from Liverpool Street Station [Source: Evening Standard]

The reports of the exact timings of the London Bombs vary by a few minutes, but all are around 8:50 am
julyseventh.co.uk...


In both cases the government (initially) resisted demands for an enquiry :

US :
I believe I have read that the 9/11 Commission was instigated only after pressure on GWB from various sources (?)

UK julyseventh.co.uk... :

Sir Ian Blair labelled the investigation into July 7th, 'the biggest criminal inquiry in English history', yet, days after July 7th, British Prime Minister Tony Blair had already refused the British people a Public Inquiry.

On December 15th 2005 Charles Clarke once again refused the British people a public inquiry, offering instead a 'narrative' - nothing more than a story - about how so many were killed and injured on London transport in the events that led to 'the largest criminal inquiry in English history'.

To date, not one piece of evidence has been released that could be used to convict someone in a court of law for what happened on July 7th and the government still has no plans to organise an Independent Public Inquiry into events that day.

We believe this will not suffice to stand as judge, jury and executioner for the accused, the victims, nor is it sufficient explanation for the injured and their families, nor London's commuters, or the wider British public who also have a right to know what happened and how it happened.

In order to address this, we have one simple demand, that the government RELEASE THE EVIDENCE which conclusively proves, beyond reasonable doubt, the official Home Office narrative.

On the day, both national leaders were away from the capital at events with national (international) media present:

US :
Bush was at the Elementary School event

UK :
Blair was at the G8 summit in Scotland


Again, some may be 'pure' coincidences, but the similarities are too similar to be all coincidences.

(I haven't read much about the Madrid bombings. Are they suspected false-flag ops? Are there any similarities there?)

Thank you Fjtruth! Excellent observations.

The timing of 7/7 in terms of the G8 was perfect for Bush, Blair and co. Shifting any attention away from the protests and issues with the summit whilst the leaders 'stood firm together against terrorism' with, as you said, the worlds media watching. Great timing for them if you ask me.

Another similarity I don't think I've mentioned is the finding of identification of the attackers so conveniently. After 9/11 a passport was famously 'found in the rubble' and on 7/7 ID cards of the bombers were found also. I don't think I need to stress how improbable it is that a passport would be found in the twin towers rubble.

It's all extremely convenient. There were reports (I think I heard this first on the alex jones london doc) that the same ID card was found at two of the london bomb sites but Im not sure if this is true.

I havn't yet looked into any similarities with the madrid bombings yet. Good idea.

Awesome thread dude

One thing i think is interesting, and worth touching upon, is the "ritual" side to both 9/11 and 7/7. This is the one aspect of both events that is almost never talked about, but is SO important to the story.. and will most likely be the last bit of truth to come out, when it does.. if it does.