John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

loofo,

Y shape top is heavily edited. layers of all white or all black have been wrapped around or on several features. then new scenes have been added to the mask areas and the entire thing finished off so that it looks like old
rock formations. it isn't old rock formations.

Originally posted by zorgon
Do me a favor Zarni send me a clip with that circled on the Image where you found it... I have too many I am working on...

Yes it looks very familiar... I will add it to the others and post it right after Christmas... gonna be a little busy next couple days. I know the Borg is waiting too.

The Hive is indeed anxiously awaiting clarification on this. As soon as we come to some conclusion, we're going to act, probably by assimiliating them first, and asking questions later.

Ok, all joking aside, I find this very fascinating. If this turns out to be what I think it could be, we may very well have a smoking gun on either the existence of alien technology, and/or continuous human exploration and exploitation of the moon and stars. Whichever way it comes out, this is turning out to be a learning experience for all. I'm truly glad to be involved in the revealing of this information.

TheBorg

Borg, is this the post you are referring to?

Originally posted by Zarniwoop Found this little guy with a circle of 'lights'... maybe a vehicle/saucer of some sort?

It is located in the upper right area of the latest pic from John.

That may be Peekaboo. I know Peekaboo was in a shot over the Apollo lander and in one other place on the surface, but I don't know offhand where these shots are located. I have a shiny penny Zorgon knows

It resembles it, but I can't be sure because the image is so small. Blowing it up will only make the image more blurry too. I just find it strange that the same unnatural shape keeps popping up in such rapid succession. That doesn't happen without intelligence guiding it. Now, whether it's alien or terrestrial is what remains to be seen. As far as I'm concerned, it's something intelligent.

I still await more info.

TheBorg

[Edited for spelling glitch]

[edit on 26-12-2006 by TheBorg]

Well Borg, that is a lot of work. This is what has to be done as far as I can see.

1. Find all instances of the object's appearance. Record error margin in this and following steps where applicable.

2. Verify absence of object in earlier or later photos as much as possible.

3. Date and time appearances and determine location.

4. With the Lunar lander triangulate location based upon size, elevation, and direction.

5. Using the new data, build map and attempt to find a pattern based upon variables such as mineral deposits, gravational anomalies, and other hidden variables. Average the margin of error, then review data again.

6. Submit for peer review.

A 51% probability will pull in favor of intelligence and likely be undisputed.

That is one way to find out. I just don't accept the possibility that these are all coincidences.

It's no coincidence that that very shape comes up in all of these images, and it seems to be following, or at least viewing, the astronauts there. Once it's in the air, the other 2 times I've seen it, it's been on the ground. That, in and of itself, is enough evidence for me. True, it's not analyzed to death like it probably should be, but I don't have enough time at the moment to devote to the necessary process.

TheBorg

Originally posted by Springer
I have awarded you 10,000 ATS points for having a very cool and very funny avatar.

woohoo... Thanks Springer. Zarniwoop's a goin shoppin'

Originally posted by Matyas
I know Peekaboo was in a shot over the Apollo lander and in one other place on the surface, but I don't know offhand where these shots are located. I have a shiny penny Zorgon knows

Here's a link to the photo I mentioned previously of the anomaly suspended in the background of the Apollo 16 lander.

www.hq.nasa.gov...

I thought that anomoly was the lunar orbiter doing a flyover? I know there are more pics of that online since I asked the same question before.

In other news, I don't know if you all new, but there is a full size mock up of the "Orion" moon base module at the Neutral Buoyancy Lab for astronauts to triain on. www.af.mil... mid way down the page

You don't put something in that pool unless you planned on using it for a real mission. If this moon base is supposed to be fully staffed by 2024, but our manned return trip to the moon no later then 2020, why do we have a mock-up in 2006? How soon are we going to be going back to the moon with this Orion concept if they already have a mock-up ready?
news.nationalgeographic.com...

Isn't that a little early if 2020 is the deadline outlined by President Bush? Or is there something else going on that we aren't supposed to know about yet. Maybe we will be going back sooner then we think or already have gone back. If that is the case, why keep it secret?

Is this mock-up for R&D purposes? This is a training pool afterall, not a testing facility. They can easily test this out at another facility, so why isn't there any more info on this anywhere?

BTW, it takes over a month to fill the pool up with water since they don't want to affect the local water pressure to fill it up faster. 19 hours to filter 100% of the 6.2 million gallons of water.
dx12.jsc.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by NJ Mooch
I thought that anomoly was the lunar orbiter doing a flyover? I know there are more pics of that online since I asked the same question before.

Ah... I do see that the same pic was posted by Zorgon on page 12 of this thread. I don't recall ever hearing that it was the orbiter though... Not that I've researched it a whole bunch or anything. The NASA link I posted is pretty good about writing comments that go along with each of the pictures and they never said on that one "that thingie that looks like a saucer is actually the lunar orbiter"

Although, if it was something suspicious, I don't know why they would leave it in the archive either.

Anyone have any links on the subject?

EDIT: To point out that TheBorg posted the same darned image link just a few posts back and I have been asleep at the wheel. Still looks similar to the other saucer-looking thingies in other pics, though.





[edit on 27-12-2006 by Zarniwoop]

Here's another one from John's "Valley of Secrets" pic.

Looks like a building at the end of a seemingly level road, similar to the "parking garage" in the Copernicus pics.

hmmm...





[edit on 27-12-2006 by Zarniwoop]

If you want straight lines, here's a stunner!

www.astro-nut.com...

Happy Holidays All... took a couple days off to mingle with the eggnog

A few days back we posted a few clips from AS8-12-2209...

Here is another piece of it.... we call this one..

"Industrial Complex"

This is from the same NASA book, just took a new scan at 300 ppi...



"Farside Industrial Complex"

When you look at this from a distance, and compare it to shots taken of Earth you get a feeling that you are looking at a small town tucked into the mountains. The "industrial complex consists of many structures of variuos shape and size, but the are all aligned in a block. The area the buildings are in is a flat and VERY rectangular section, seen diamond shaped due to the viewing angle.

On the right is a visible section of a transit tube. On the left is a roadway that we have traced across the image of 2209. I will clip that latter with a tracing. From he higher level on the right with the odd constructs, you can see a string of spheres, or street lights, move down the hill to the complex and curve up.

Some of the landscaping looks very similar to vegetation on Earth. Below I have added two clips from a satellite image of Earth, one a dirt road thru vegetation, that has two groups of spheres, and one is a cross shaped pattern of street lights for comparison.

There are many more details in this area, but I have just pointed out the easiest to spot ones for now.






Below is a dirt road through trees, and two clusters of lights. The one below that is two crossing roads with street lamps. Both these clips are from Cape Kennedy Spaceport taken by satellite and reduced to approximate the scale.






COLLECTION PAGE IS HERE

Originally posted by SteveR
If you told me this was an alien world.. I'd beleive it.

I see you are finding the tubes now too There is a really nice collection of stuff in that Aristarchus image that Loofo provided. Once you get comfortable with the scale you are looking at you find a lot...

Haven't had time to catch up on Valley of Secrets yet...

Originally posted by papajake
Anybody remember the bus image that someone found? Take a look at this:

files.abovetopsecret.com...

Where is that one, Papa? Got map coordinates? and which picture

Originally posted by NJ Mooch
I thought that anomoly was the lunar orbiter doing a flyover? I know there are more pics of that online since I asked the same question before.

"Lunar Orbiters had long since crashed when Apollo got to the moon. If you are talking about the Apollo Command Module, they orbited at 60 miles and THAT object is one heck of lot lower than 60 miles.”

That little data was from John....

Okay Okay I will do it right now.... sheesh can't a guy get a little R&R

A long long time ago... well near the start of this thread... there came a little picture of an anomaly that Valhal called "Peek-a-boo" Most likely the name came about because it looked like the object was "peeking" over the rim... so now we are forever stuck with that name...

or those who haven't seen it... I will repost it. I have managed to improve the view as well. This was one of the better objects in the JL picture... a round sphere with a connecting tube, and a hint of more behind the ridge. Even a little "window" that gives it an "eye"...



Now at this point I did not think it was a ship, more likely a habitat.. Here it is in colorization...



This was a clear enough image that I went looking for it in C#5 [this one is on C#2 below the "Box" on the top of the dump hill] By this time I had already familiarized myself with the orientation of C#5 [90 degrees right and about 50% smaller] in relation to C#1-C#4...

On the top of the dump from C#5 I found the following "artifact"



I had already been looking for spheres and tubes, but this one showed obvious connecting lines and an odd "C" shaped thing. Below I have highlighted the object in green...



I found several more of them in various patterns, even one hovering [evident by the shadow below it, though that one is a different configuration]

Here are some more from C#5... harder to see but they are similar..







This is the same only closer...



Most of these I found later...

Now after finding the "Peekaboo" from the top... a few days later Zarniwoop posted that Apollo 16 Photo on another thread... It was when I saw that image that I suddenly started taking this seriously...

Here is the image Zarni linked to earlier...with an outline of the ship...
Yes ship, because on the JL picture it is sitting on the ground in 1965... and here it is in the sky above Apollo 16 in 1972.



Here are two closeups up the object...
One taken from the photo as is , the other rotated to compare to "Peekaboo" in the C#5 from John





So there is the same collection of Spheres and connecting lines... and a "C" shape. This does not resemble the Lunar Orbiter even if it was still up there, nor does it look even close to the command module...

For future reference this can all be seen in the

COLLECTION at PEGASUS

Don't go away yet folkes... it gets better...

TO BE CONTINUED NEXT POST...

Need COFFEE


[edit on 27-12-2006 by zorgon]

Okay now the next piece of info is the "smoking gun" that The Borg was talking about...

Seems some gremlin got into my computer and sent a few sneak previews out...

One of the questions we have been postulating in the two threads is whether or not NASA is aware of any of this... and has decided that the general public really doesn't need to know. I won't use the word lying, more like just not telling you everything... They may have very good reasons to keep a lid on stuff, time will tell...

The fact is that NASA does know about this little item... this item was sent to me by a friend who remains incognito...[Its really amazing how many little tidbits have been stuffed in my mailbox since this search began]

Here is a screen capture taken from a short video clip from Apollo 17, over Tsiolkovski Crater - Farside



In the video the camera man is focusing on the object as they are passing over head.I have not seen this video around the web circuit (though it may be there are so many sites out there) It is a 4 minute clip... the astronaut talking is giving a narration... but no mention of the object is made... you can hear bits of a second conversation in the background, most likely talking on the other secured channel. Half way through the background speaker make some exclamations of surprise.

So NASA not only knows about these things, but the astronauts filmed them!!

Here is another screen shot...close and personal. It is obvious that it's above the ground because once they focus on it, the crater behind it is out of focus. We have found the same object in a few of the photos in the old Apollo book...[Just bought 4 copies from old book dealers ] I will post those clips in a few days.



The updates and collection are available and a link to the video is on my web page.

Smoking Phaser Cannon

Now then how is that for kicking off the new year?

PAWN TAKES KING CHECKMATE!!!

Rematch anyone?

I dunno if this is exactly on topic or not, but has anyone wondered how the Lunar Lander was filmed leaving the Lunar surface when the mission was complete? From the film that I've seen, the camera actually panned up as the lander lifted off the surface. Now, if I'm not mistaken, that would require someONE to be actually ON the surface to move it. If that's not true, then please inform me. I've been bothered by this for a long time now, and just need some clarity. I figured this would be the best time to ask.

After having looked for over an hour and a half, I am unable to find a single copy of the video showing the Lunar Lander ascending to the Command Module, at least from a verifiably accurate source, that is.

While I was looking for that, I stumbled across something startling. Check out the clip, starting at the 2 minute mark, and tell me if that craft resembles anything that we've seen before:

Apollo 11 Lunar Liftoff

Oh, just to give ya something to look at: Also found this on youtube:

Apollo 11 Anomalies

Both of these got me thinking. Dunno if they might be of any help or not, but I did wanna mention them.

TheBorg

Originally posted by zorgon
Here is another screen shot...close and personal. It is obvious that it's above the ground because once they focus on it, the crater behind it is out of focus. We have found the same object in a few of the photos in the old Apollo book...[Just bought 4 copies from old book dealers

] I will post those clips in a few days.



The updates and collection are available and a link to the video is on my web page.

Smoking Phaser Cannon

Now then how is that for kicking off the new year?

PAWN TAKES KING CHECKMATE!!!

Rematch anyone?

I dunno about this one here. This pic looks completely blurry on first glance. Even the central white area does. It's abnormally shaped, which gave me immediate pause, but then I just thought it coulda been a building of some kind. Honestly, I dunno what the heck to make of this one. I don't believe it's a craft of any kind. I just think it's some structure, if anything, on the peak in the middle of that crater.

TheBorg

The Borg is right. It's been changed. The ship shape is actually a huge cloud of smoke rising from the crater floor.

I checked for masking and yeppers, that is definitely masking an underlying object of much larger size.

Here's my list of deconstructed T-crater pics, with most of their masking removed so you can see the underlying structures that were hidden underneath. most these are blotchy and hard to determine what you're seeing. Suffice it to say, you aren't looking a mountain range.



thestargates.com...

thestargates.com...

thestargates.com...

thestargates.com...




[edit on 27-12-2006 by undo]

Originally posted by Zarniwoop Here's a link to the photo I mentioned previously of the anomaly suspended in the background of the Apollo 16 lander.

www.hq.nasa.gov...

Yup, that's it! And Zorgon is in hot pursuit!

Was it posted previously? It gets tiring looking through 63 or so pages...

I think NASA left it up just to see if there is any "intelligent life" out here on the green planet of the clocks.

Well, the intelligent thing to do would be to determine the location is my bet. If we know the exact time that the lander's crew EVAed to snap this photo, then by comparing the shadow of the Sun we would know the orientation of the lander. A size estimate from other photos of the object could determine its distance and from then on it is all trig.

Hrm, now who has built a huge building in the T-crater? Isn't that farside?




[edit on 27-12-2006 by undo]