Whats in a name? (more than we think!)

I'm not sure I even know where to begin...

The astronauts were Masons, so they thought it would be neat to have some mementos they could bring back that had been to the Moon. A Masonic flag (which looked to be the size of a man's handkerchief) was one of those items. I don't find this unusual. If I belonged to an organization that meant that much to me, I'd have likely done the same thing. Ritual? Even the video said "allegedly" but didn't say alleged by whom or what that allegation was based upon. I'm sure the hankie was approved as not affecting the fuel consumption.

The portrayal I was referring to was the one in the video. Not yours. Yet.

Separation of religion/govt? I don't know what you're referring to there.

The Eagle was the name of the lunar module. Hence "the Eagle has landed" when it landed. There was some tension about the landing and I'm sure any number of observers were holding their breath. I was. There was some speculation at the time that the lander could sink who knows how many feet into lunar dust when it landed. Not to mention the thousands of other potential problems that could have occurred. So yes about to turn blue from a collective holding of breath over the anticipation of the landing.

As for some other comments in the video (and I'm not going to go back and watch it again) it referred to a Masonic God, Masons worshipping Lucifer as in Satan (there's so much wrong with that, I can't even take the time to go there), Albert Pike being a Klansman, the Jehovah's Witness guy predicting the beginning of the end corresponding with Jack Parsons's birthday... nonsense in general.

I agree, be critical but not blind. And be aware of making leaps in logic or connecting dots that don't exist.

Yes I've seen "What the Bleep" and it's another good example of taking a basic foundation of fact and speculative theory and creating something...else. >cough*Ramtha*cough<

Haven't seen "The Secret" yet, but it's been recommended to me before. I've also been told that there's nothing new there that isn't available in a number of other sources. I'm sure I'll get around to it eventually, and thanks for the recommendation.

First of all, my first name is Hebrew, my middle name is Greek, my maiden name is Aramic and my married name is English.

Names only define a person, place, or thing. I watched the Apollo Missions when I was younger, and didn't really take much notice of the name.

When you hear the name of Apollo, even as a young child, the one word that did come to mind was 'bold'. I never associated the missions with a Greek god.

Then again, we have names for just about everything totally unrelated to what they actually are for example, 'Hamburger', it is made from beef. However, it got it's name if I recall correctly because the dish originated in Hamburg, Germany.

We have many things labelled that don't reflect the true meaning of what they actually are in reality.

Some names though do make us think and feel a certain way. I think Discovery is a good name for a spacecraft, as it is in fact seeking to discover new things. However, if it was called Farthing (old english currency) would it really make any difference-it still obtains the same objective.

A rose is a rose...

However, naming craft after G-d or any of His known names that would upset many people and would be considered offensive.

Demi-gods, or mythological gods from ancient times have done their part in our development. So to put their names on an instrument of travel doesn't bother me. I don't see it as blaspemous, as they are just names of mythological beings.

yeah right
Thank you for your excellent and timely reply.
I think perhaps you are mischaracterizing these findings. I have only presented evidence of strong occult influence in our publicly funded space program. I agree the video is dramatic, but do you remember falling asleep in some of your high school class films? I do. Sometimes presentation is overused simply to draw and keep attention. Here's some more


focus on the dark blue

self explanatory

Osiri...I mean Orion

I think, you think, I dislike masonry. I find it fascinating, and I was also asked by a brother awhile ago if I would like to be included. Why did he ask me, you ask? Because of my interest in the occult. His words not mine.

Yes 'the Secret' is nothing new, yet the explanations and delivery method of the involved "crew" are very engaging and entertaining. If you have a previous knowledge of such things at worst this will refresh your thinking, at best elevate it

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rachel07
Interesting combo of names you have

"Then again, we have names for just about everything totally unrelated to what they actually are for example, 'Hamburger', it is made from beef. However, it got it's name if I recall correctly because the dish originated in Hamburg, Germany."

So, your saying that things that seem to be frivolously named, do indeed have meaning to the name. I agree. A person could live their whole life eating hamburgers, and never understand the meaning of the name if they scoffed at what they assumed to be 'American HAMburgers' being named for the specific locality of its origin.

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I hope you don't think I'm beating up on you. I just don't see what you see. As we know, "evidence" is not proof. And evidence can be very subjective. Very. Interpretation is everything. Any object longer than it is wide isn't necessarily phallic. Every triangle isn't a pyramid. All pyramids and stars aren't indicative of occult influence. Like Freud said, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

Originally posted by Fifth Horseman
focus on the dark blue

I did. What? A triangle? There are only so many geometric shapes to use in a logo. I still think you're reading too much into this.

Originally posted by Fifth Horseman
self explanatory

Not self explanatory to me. Because it's a star? Like in space? On a space patch?

Originally posted by Fifth Horseman
Osiri...I mean Orion

Lost me there. More space stuff which I'm not seeing as inappropriate.

Originally posted by Fifth Horseman
I think, you think, I dislike masonry. I find it fascinating, and I was also asked by a brother awhile ago if I would like to be included. Why did he ask me, you ask? Because of my interest in the occult. His words not mine.

You may or may not "like" Freemasonry. That's irrelevant to me. I'm just not seeing the same things you are, or at least not coming to the same conclusions. Interesting a brother would have recruited you. I thought that was forbidden. But then if it's your brother, that's not too surprising I guess. And of course Masonry is very esoteric (I think) and he probably believes you'd get some benefit. I've had Masons in my family my entire life and have never even been hinted to about joining. Guess they all know me too well.

Originally posted by Fifth Horseman
Yes 'the Secret' is nothing new, yet the explanations and delivery method of the involved "crew" are very engaging and entertaining. If you have a previous knowledge of such things at worst this will refresh your thinking, at best elevate it

I'll get there at some point. Are you familiar with Haanel's Master Key System? I believe "The Secret" is a derivitave of that with some heavy Christian overtones, but since I haven't seen it yet, I'm not sure.

Hang in there. it's all good. Keep plugging. In the end we can only convince ourselves, but the interaction is helpful, at least for me.

You also can't name these things after christian religious figures because lots of non-christians helped to bring the space programme about. It would be needlessly demeaning to them.

Also, Titan is a hell of a lot cooler than Nefilim or the "Pauline Rocket", etc etc.

yeahright

(humbly) I'm new at posting. How are you able to quote me line by line?

In my opinion: the the dark blue is the compass represented by negative space (no pun) in the illustration.
the second could be recognized as a pentagram. Do stars look like this really? (I didn't know they were so pointy!!)
the third is an image depicting orion the hunter, at times he is transferable as Osiris, a figure of the Isis/Osiris tale, key to some of the esoteric teachings.
I love things that hide in plain sight. They're easy for me to see.

Not my kin brother, a member of the local lodge who I was good friends with until we drifted apart through relocation.

Here you go-
handbook.abovetopsecret.com...

The dark blue... that's a big stretch IMHO.

The star is the same shape as the star on the American flag. An American space mission. That's the connection I see.

Orion/Osiris/Isis again maybe a connection, but I don't see an effort to "hide" occult influences. (Of course "occult" means "hidden", so I'd guess you would want to hide it, but I'd think the best way to hide it would be to not put it there in the first place). This reminds me of the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon". Random connection.

as far as naming shuttles goes (scroll to bottom)
library.thinkquest.org...
who is Captain James Cook you ask?
www.freemasonry.bcy.ca...
The problem with connecting dots is that even though you may not make a coherent picture at first, you do create a web of interest. Where is Charolette when I need her?

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So "Discovery" was named for two ships one of which was piloted by James Cook, and the second link states he was never a Mason. And even if he was...

All that's ever been "proven" to me is that there are many famous men who have been members of Masonry. You could view that as evidence of some grand conspiracy, I guess -OR- attribute it to Masonry able to attract some very competent, prominent, and yes great, people.

Does Masonry "create" greatness, or does it attract it? Or both? Wouldn't it be nice to associate with men of accomplishment and virtue?

You know, the more I learn about Freemasonry, the more I sometimes wish I'd joined 25 years ago.

Well, naahh. Not a joiner, then or now. Probably to my eternal detriment.

the Endeavor is another of the ships he steered. Reread the reason that he did (!?!) Wonder why he is often referred to as a Freemason if the info about the lodge is correct? Maybe a different lodge? So here is a topic with plenty of info about it and it doesn't grab you just yet huh? I get the feeling that no matter how much you read or are exposed to you continue to "see what you believe" instead of believing what you see. A teacher can only teach a student who wishes to learn I guess.
I would like some input from some of our illustrious Brotherhood as to current Masonic involvement in NASA. Don't worry guys this is all light-hearted, no hatin' here!!

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Well so many Masonic terms are now part of the english language that it's sometimes not even clearly evident until someone points it out.

It's not so hard to believe that if the Astonaut was a Mason he would bring something with him up there just as easy to believe if he was a baseball player to bring his glove (first example I could think of as I watch the Yankees).

The patches looked like there were using more of a space theme than a masonic theme.

Definitly a good post though since you thought it out and explained yourself instread of just throwing out there with no explaination.

Good work.