Evidence for God

Originally posted by LancerJ1

Originally posted by 2stepsfromtop
Except he died on the cross, and was buried. There is no proof of the resurrection.

Except many eyewitness accounts.

Where are these many eyewitness accounts? Maybe in the vatican archives eh?

There are many people named Jesus, a few of them work in the landscaping profession, or take jobs away from Union workers, or are sitting in jail right now.
I would like to see irrefutable proof, excluding the bible, of these "anti-christian and non-christian" writers that support the myth of christ.

What do you call irrefutable proof? I gave some links to non-christian sources. Here's one more. www.law.umkc.edu... ianaccounts.html

There is NO real evidence from the links you offered. Tacitus mentions only Christus - not real evidence for the existence a biblical christ only that the leader was known as christus. The Josephus account is not really viable as it might have been doctored by early christian leaders - as Josephus was a pro roman jew writing for the romans why would he have mentioned jesus as the messiah and all the wonderful things that jesus did?


UbiquitousInfiniteReality - Who said that before the big bang there was nothing? I certainly dont agree with that statement and I'm a proponent of the big bang.

Originally posted by UbiquitousInfiniteReality
Like I said, when you, when anyone presents me with NOTHING I will accept that we live in a bubble with NOTHING outside of it and that existence came into existence out of NOTHING from a faulty big bang.

The big bang is a phase the universe went through, not it's apparition out of nothing.

Listen up little billy Bob. A shapeless, boundless, infinite universe CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT go through a phase of shrinking and expanding. There is no outside of this universe. It is infinite and eternal in EVERY DIRECTION. It never ends and is already there! Got it? Get it? Good.... BANG... the big bang just died.

Enjoy your day and may you be guided in the right direction to understand simple logic and love. You are in the Eternal Kingdom my friend.

Infinite love and eternal peace.

personally I always like to say the following.

Watch the movie stargate, its much more to reality then many are willing to accept.
the gods of the past are not more and not less that ebi / et / aliens or what ever you like to call or name them .

if there is evidence of a god we will also have proof that there is life out side our own planet.
the gods were alien life forms and if they are and we excist there will be more lifeforms .

Originally posted by MarkLuitzen
personally I always like to say the following.

Watch the movie stargate, its much more to reality then many are willing to accept.
the gods of the past are not more and not less that ebi / et / aliens or what ever you like to call or name them .

if there is evidence of a god we will also have proof that there is life out side our own planet.
the gods were alien life forms and if they are and we excist there will be more lifeforms .

No, the God of the past has always been the same God. You are speaking of the messengers, the Angels, the Elohim, etc. those advanced races that were misinterpreted as God... but are not God. MESSENGERS of the definition of God and love to the planet Earth.

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Originally posted by UbiquitousInfiniteReality
Listen up little billy Bob. A shapeless, boundless, infinite universe CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT go through a phase of shrinking and expanding. There is no outside of this universe. It is infinite and eternal in EVERY DIRECTION. It never ends and is already there! Got it? Get it? Good.... BANG... the big bang just died.

What, because YOU say so? A wee bit more evidence than 'This is the way it is -just because'
What do you base this theory on?

Originally posted by UbiquitousInfiniteReality

No, the God of the past has always been the same God. You are speaking of the messengers, the Angels, the Elohim, etc. those advanced races that were misinterpreted as God... but are not God. MESSENGERS of the definition of God and love to the planet Earth.

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Yet again what do you base this theory on?
Does your world revolve around what you believe?



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It's not theory. It's fact. First of all, so let's set that straight.

Now... this is simple logic and if there is someone who cannot understand it then they have a problem.

Now look. Nothing does not exist therefore we don't exist in a bubble with nothing outside of it. We live in an infinite reality. A universe that is infinite and never ending, it never started and it will never end. NOTHING DOES NOT EXIST, THAT IS WHAT NOTHING IS... NOTHING. The universe doesn't shrink and it doesn't expand because it is limitless... NO BOUNDRIES from which to expand out of or shrink into. Can you grasp this? Take your time... infinite in every direction... never ending... eternal, because nothing does not exist.

I t won't end and it never began, it has no outside and it does not shrink or expand... it already exists infinitely everywhere... infinitely existing. God 2, Godless scientists... 0.

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Originally posted by UbiquitousInfiniteReality
It's not theory. It's fact. First of all, so let's set that straight.

Now... this is simple logic and if there is someone who cannot understand it then they have a problem.

Now look. Nothing does not exist therefore we don't exist in a bubble with nothing outside of it. We live in an infinite reality. A universe that is infinite and never ending, it never started and it will never end. NOTHING DOES NOT EXIST, THAT IS WHAT NOTHING IS... NOTHING. The universe doesn't shrink and it doesn't expand because it is limitless... NO BOUNDRIES from which to expand out of or shrink into. Can you grasp this? Take your time... infinite in every direction... never ending... eternal, because nothing does not exist.

I t won't end and it never began, it has no outside and it does not shrink or expand... it already exists infinitely everywhere... infinitely existing. God 2, Godless scientists... 0.

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Typical religious black and white logic ' Its either or'.

What about multiverses? or maybe there is something outside our universe that we are not able to traverse, a kind of force field if you will, I could think of other possibilities if you want?
You say nothing does not exist (I agree) but infinite does not exist either. Using your religious logic if infinite existed then there would be an infinite possibility that nothing COULD exist somewhere in the infinite.

Black and white eh? Falls flat on its face at the first hurdle - Shades of grey, well thats a different story.


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Sir, I'm sorry, but your logic is warped. If nothing does not exist then by default existence is infinite and eternal. End of story. This isn't a matter of colors it's a matter of existence; the only reason you can even use the anaology of gray, black, and white is because you exist.

There is nothing outside of our existence. Any multi/verse parallel/verse theory would mean that those universe(s) existences would also have to be infinite and eternal in order to run parallel to our own. Infinite and eternal IS existence.

Typical "Godless", '"I'm lost, guide me!" response. Joking... =) But I am your guide as you are mine. I hope you understand and appreciate what I am sharing with you for free. It brings me joy to see someone who is willing to lend me their time in getting to know the truth about the nature of their reality.

It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with intelligence and existence.

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Originally posted by UbiquitousInfiniteReality
Sir, I'm sorry, but your logic is warped. If nothing does not exist then by default existence is infinite and eternal. End of story. This isn't a matter of colors it's a matter of existence; the only reason you can even use the anaology of gray, black, and white is because you exist.

It might not be a matter of colors but it sure as hell ain't 'either or' either. You seem to think because thats what you believe then its true - I dont agree as you have NO evidence to back up your claims.

There is nothing outside of our existence. Any multi/verse parallel/verse theory would mean that those universe(s) existences would also have to be infinite and eternal in order to run parallel to our own. Infinite and eternal IS existence.

As before, you make assumptions and are convinced that these are the correct assumptions therefore all else is wrong.

Typical "Godless", '"I'm lost, guide me!" response.

Joking... =) But I am your guide as you are mine. I hope you understand and appreciate what I am sharing with you for free. It brings me joy to see someone who is willing to lend me their time in getting to know the truth about the nature of their reality.

It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with intelligence and existence.

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There's having a DEBATE on the nature of reality/whatever and there's being told 'YOUR WRONG, I'M RIGHT'. Debates I can handle, Being told I'm wrong on a subject that has NO evidence either way or is based on suppositions and assumptions then I take it personally.



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It's up to you to provide the evidence. You're debating yourself here. I told you that nothing doesn't exist. Present nothing before me and I will submit to your idealogy. Until then I am and always will be right with the infinite and eternal by my side. Yes, it is either or. Choose. Do you believe in nothing or do you believe in everything? Apparently you believe in NOTHING... and many do as they hold onto the big bang and question what's "outside". Do you all not understand that existence is EXISTENCE and that NOTHING is NON-EXISTENCE that DOES NOT EXIST? HELLO? I believe in you all, I know you can come back around.

Infinite love and eternal peace.

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Originally posted by UbiquitousInfiniteReality
It's up to you to provide the evidence. You're debating yourself here. I told you that nothing doesn't exist.

I will harken you back to my earlier post where I stated

You say nothing does not exist (I agree) but infinite does not exist either

. Its you who is wrong in your religious views of the universe.

Present nothing before me and I will submit to your idealogy. Until then I am and always will be right with the infinite and eternal by my side. Yes, it is either or. Choose. Do you believe in nothing or do you believe in everything? Apparently you believe in NOTHING...

I dont believe in many things which does include your assertion the the universe is infinite.

and many do as they hold onto the big bang and question what's "outside". Do you all not understand that existence is EXISTENCE and that NOTHING is NON-EXISTENCE that DOES NOT EXIST? HELLO? I believe in you all, I know you can come back around.

I understand perfectly what your trying to get at, I just dont have the same opinion as you do. I dont know whats outside our universe (haven't been there and there isn't a bus service), but just to assume that the universe is infinite (when there is evidence to suggest otherwise) is beyond me but then again so does the assumption that the universe was created by some omnigod.
What you want is everyone to agree with your notion on the universe - well sorry it ain't gonna happen without evidence.


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I've presented you the evidence. This conversation was over long ago. The existence of the eternal and the infinite has been proven and no one can nor ever will prove it wrong. Our God stands forevermore. This is not about religion, it is about existence. Enjoy your day sir. When you can seem to fathom that infinity and eternity (or "everything forever", to steal a coined term from Giorban's wonderful web site) are the opposite of nothing then may you join me in my glee of Heaven on Earth.

Infinite Love and Eternal Peace.
I'll send you off with a hug *HUG*. Blessed be.

p.s. NOTHING is outside of our universe and I have very clearly explained to you a countless number of times what nothing is.

(The true opposite of nothing is nothing because nothing doesn't even exist! But you catch my drift, right?)

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In the subtle breeze of a cool fall evening a waterfall lept gently to its death on the surface of many nameless pebbles that were always waiting to catch it in the humbled land below, and a new lake of peace was born in this brief second of its chaotic demise; Human transfiguration.

So Humanity and ATS, enjoy what has been revealed, what always had been known and always had been within, but was lost in the dark nights of our souls. In this moment we coalesced to be one in our search for the omnisentient as it seeked our lost souls as well. Peace and love be with you all. A new mission arises on Earth; world wide enlightenment and infinite love.

Infinite love and eternal peace,
_______.

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Oh man am I confused. The universe is infinant because of god or has it always just been infinant just because. Nothing can't exist. Nothing is something an adjective. Something is nothing? Is this nothing the nothing before the theoretical big bang which all matter sprung out of, or the concept of nothing it's self can't exist? So if there is no nothing and god created everything from nothing, oh damn I got lost again. There is no nothing because there is god? What did god come from? Nothing or another god.

What about upper dimensional space could everything that we concider nothing be very solid up there? We may precieve nothing but there could be something in a higher dimensional plane we have no way of observing and hence we see nothing, much like air up close appears as nothing. Is higher dimensional space god?

What about the latest theories of astrophysics. THe holographic universe concept, how if the universe is infinant can people be observing phenomina in the smallest details of the observable universe that we can only compare to a holograph which would imply a finite size for the universe. The energy has to be rebounding from some finite distance. Is god standing above the universe playing ping pong with the energy so that is rebounds collides with it's own reflection to manifest it's self holographicly in this space before the particles venture out lost forever in the void of infinant space and time? which would then manifest it's self as nothing but the potential energy it could be concidered as is that god? Or nothing with the potential to be something is god?

Is energy the microwave background that implies a finite size for the universe god, or a vestige of a potential big bang. Are we worshiping background radiation as a diety or is god deeper somewhere in the nothing.

Nothing can't exist. niether can something be infinant. Niether can an immovable object be struck by an unstopable force. THere is always a limit. Is the limit that, nothing can't exist, and so there must be a god. If it's infinant than it looses its value and becomes a nothing. So infinant nor nothing can exist. everything is something and the univers is finite. Or the universe is infinite but not, cause then it would be nothing again which doesn't exist and that nothing is god? damn I need clarification I'm so confused.

I like infinant love and peace, but wheres my infinant peace and love, it appears to have stopped at the moment it appears finite right now. Please tell me this is not so.

There are no limits. Limitation is in the thought of limit. Set yourself free. This reality has no limits. Drop 'nothing' from your vocabulary because it doesn't exist. Infinity does exist. Existence was never created. It always has been, it is infinite and eternal. No beginning and no ending. Do not fear, be calm =)

Infinite love and peace are only a thought away, only a manifestation of our actions and our thoughts. We must believe that we can be a part of this... and then it will be a whole =)

p.s. The immovable object IS the unstoppable force. This immovable and unstoppable force is your love. Exude it brilliantly to all that you encounter.

God is the everything that always has been.

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well I like the infinant love thing, but wheres all the love for me?
But aren't there limits though? I'm familiar with reality being only what we focus on, but if I jump off a building and focus real hard will I fly and zoom away? I'm gunna go try that right now. Lifes depressing anyways It'll be a fun experiment. Might work, should I try? I need your opinion on this. Should I jump and attemp to fly, or should i sit in my cubicle for the rest of my forseeable future.

I wouldn't try that just yet until we explore the realms of our reality a bit more =) We are infants at this stage, we must walk before we run. Why are you depressed, what is bothering you? You can Send me a U2U or catch me on AIM if you'd like to talk. Do not ever give up hope, love is always around the corner. I was once where you are, trust me... and I made it through it with the help of many great hearts, but most importantly don't ever give up on yourself =) I'll be here for ya if you need someone to vent to.

And the love for you is within you. Give and you shall receive =) We are the creators of our reality. To give love, honesty, peace, and laughter is to create it and receive it.

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Not bad advice I will hold out longer for love. Also, I'm not going to see if I can fly. I think you are right that we are only infants with our understanding of reality.