Doubt the security of the TASER

Chinese have begun to doubt the security of the TASER, There is six points doubt to the TASER:

1.Reload in less than 2 seconds。
CHALLENGE TO TASER: Excuse me, what concept is this? where is the bullet put in, in cartridge belt or muzzle, if put in cartridge belt, it is impossible that is smaller than 2 seconds, if it is put in the place of muzzle, it may reach the target.
2. Clothing Penetration: Up to 5 cm (2 inches)，A hit anywhere on the body can be effective with the TASER, making it easier to use and more reliable under stress. EMD technology debilitates the toughest targets, without causing injury or lasting after-effects.
CHALLENGE TO TASER: Excuse me, which material is the clothing? the clothing is leather or ordinary cotton thread .it is well-known that the hardness of muscle is lower than leather and cotton thread, if attacking the face or bare body, who can guarantee no flesh wound?
3. You can safely stop a threat from up to 15-feet or 4.5 meters.
CHALLENGE TO TASER: If the distance from a target to a police is 1 meter, then the Air Cartridge hit the exposed skin, who can guarantee no injury?
4. 6 Air Cartridges,
CHALLENGE TO TASER: If the opposite side is 7 persons ，what will you are going to do?
5. Reload in less than 2 seconds。The TASER can be used more effectively and safely with less training than other self-defense technologies.
CHALLENGE TO TASER: If it took 2 seconds to change a bullet, so it will take 12 seconds at least to finish changing 6 bullets, who can guarantee these 6 persons wait for to be electrical shock without any resisting there? The word of “safely” will become the empty talk.


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So what does the Chinese alternative look like?

I really don't understand a word of that ramble other than the one that appears to say "another foreign nation has taken an American invention and improved it" which seems to be the best that anyone else is capable of these days.

As for Taser - it is in service in tens of thousands of police holsters and it works well, otherwise it would have disappeared years ago.

Still not sure what the point is here.

Originally posted by Wembley

So what does the Chinese alternative look like?

it likes a bit , but it is wireless and hits several bad guy in the same time.

[edit on 9-9-2006 by huws]

Can you give us some details or links? or is this just something you've heard?

It hits several bad guys at the same time? What is it like a machine gun taser or a cluster taser or what?

Anyway this crazy shat is taking lives (+250) every year in the US, so no need to improve it, they just need to NOT USE IT.

Dude man don't do any thing to deserve getting taserd would of stopped those 250 deaths...

lie down, be compliant, and just sort it out at the station.

Yeah, and i have seen the air taser they are trialing, and if that sucker comes into use...well running would be a good idea. Its a crowd control job, and it is NOT nice at all!

I'll see if theres a link to it.

Originally posted by Wembley

Can you give us some details or links? or is this just something you've heard?

Compared with “TASER” developed by American,The unique new function has seven respects mainly.
2．Electric shock function The close anti-riot device launches electric particle and after It hits the goal, The goal will get into shock under the electric particle for a while, lose ability of resisting. In the fight of saving hostage , appear wounded 、die 、cripple no longer , make hostages saved, the criminal gets the due punishment, has reflected the current thought that people first everywhere of society.
3．Regulating function of fire power According to the actual conditions of the scene , regulate the size of the fire power , strengthen the dynamics attacked
4．Single shot and running fire function It may be shot a bullet, and also may be shot many bullets. strengthen the result of attacking . to a single goal only need shooting a bullet.to many goals must have adopted by running fire function, could attack effectively only in this way, play a frightening role.
5．The attacking distance is adjustable Regulate attacking the distance according to the needs of reality, economize the ammunition ( energy )
6．Environmental protection function Start the new direction of arms development , will not cause any pollution to the environment while using.
7．Many goals attacking: Because this arms can launch many bunch " mark arrow " , can attack to numerous goal. It is unfresh that electricity rifle can hit people to be faint, but all kinds of different commercial types electricity hit rifle can only aim at a person so far, must also near and use . In U.S.A. more than 4000 policemen departments are using a kind of electricity rifle which has been called "ＴＡＳＥＲ" .in Britain some police department try out this kind of electric shock rifle too. "ＴＡＳＥＲ" through launching the electric arrow to make people unable to move but it tows wire behind the electric arrow. this make the shocking distance 7 meters furthermost. Because two arrows is launched. and can only direct against the individual goal each time, "ＴＡＳＥＲ" is almost not useful while controlling the riot crowd.

That sounds interesting - similar to some systems under development in the US (eg StunStrike from XADS).

What's the range of the Chinese system? What is is called?

Originally posted by Wembley

That sounds interesting - similar to some systems under development in the US (eg StunStrike from XADS).

What's the range of the Chinese system? What is is called?

the product XADS has not appeared for many years from his statement moment.
It is called Close-in wireless electric shock Anti-riot Gun (CIWESARG),it's range is 6 -----15 meters

I guess that's about plausible - the Rheinmetall wireless taser works out to about 10 metres - is this under development or are you saying they have a workign version? (And why can't I find any references to it?)

I thought I saw on the discovery channel or something similar a new military developed tazer which uses an IR laser to ionize an airpath creating a channel for the electricity to flow down. It was rifle sized but was effective up to 100 meters. Anyone else heard of this device?

In those 250+ deaths, there is childrens and old people in their 70s. So yes, they should ban this crap, because policemens aren't bright enough to not use it on kids or old people.

Originally posted by Wembley

I guess that's about plausible - the Rheinmetall wireless taser works out to about 10 metres - is this under development or are you saying they have a workign version? (And why can't I find any references to it?)

the Close-in wireless electric shock Anti-riot Gun (CIWESARG) will be alternative of the TSAER IN THE FUTURE.----------------THE future weapon design expert Lee Yintao from China.

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
I thought I saw on the discovery channel or something similar a new military developed tazer which uses an IR laser to ionize an airpath creating a channel for the electricity to flow down. It was rifle sized but was effective up to 100 meters. Anyone else heard of this device?

That could be either the XADS device (Stunstrike) or Ionatron's, or HSVs 'tetanizing beam weapon'.

Google any of thiose and you'll get heaps. Nothing operational yet though.

Originally posted by huws
the Close-in wireless electric shock Anti-riot Gun (CIWESARG) will be alternative of the TSAER IN THE FUTURE.----------------THE future weapon design expert Lee Yintao from China.

This sounds like it is something you have just invented, and is not likely to be in production soon.

is it reality? it may be reality.

Would you like to provide some evidence? Anyone can make claims.