Draft ?

I was listening to my radio and I heard an idea that i think could work:

What if we put all names of men and women,within the ages of 18-32,and draw a lottory of people that go into the military,and of those that are not chosen for military duty could be put into a lottory for other non military services (i.e health care,county clerk,police enforcement ect,).However if yuo are chosen you get full education,then after the education you go to wor,for at least 2 years.

Some may be chosen others might not be.

Remember that in other nations like Isreal it is a duty to serve your nation,and even a privilege to die for it.

Please post with an open mind.




TRw

Yay communism!

I'm sorry, but I can't keep an open mind to a draft. I'm a pacifist, and I do not believe in what we are fighting for... although, if it were to be done, what you stated would be the best way to go about doing it.

A lot of countries have compulsory military service. Personally, I think everyone ought to serve if they want to have the rights of a citizen and or have the right to vote. If they don't serve in a combat-type position they can serve in many other types of positions where they'd never need to touch a weapon (if they're out of shape, religious reservations, etc.) There are many obvious advantages countries that have such programs enjoy.

Originally posted by The_Result_was
Remember that in other nations like Isreal it is a duty to serve your nation,and even a privilege to die for it.
TRw

That kind of thinking, just like party politicals, always reminds me of Fascism and Communism. "Do good for the party and the country and die for it"

Draft ?

Nope it,s just my A/C

I,d love to see someone draft half of the scumbags I see in my hometown.
Maybe some kind of prison rehabilitation scheme?

Where guys who were genuinely out on their luck.. no job etc.. could get a full reprieve for serving... maybe?

Maybe a new psycopath squad where you get a company of serial murderers etc.give them some weapons and point them towards the enemy?

i like the psychopath enlistment, put them in the front line of iran, they should try this, it might rehabilitate them.

Originally posted by AlphaHumana
A lot of countries have compulsory military service. Personally, I think everyone ought to serve if they want to have the rights of a citizen and or have the right to vote. If they don't serve in a combat-type position they can serve in many other types of positions where they'd never need to touch a weapon (if they're out of shape, religious reservations, etc.) There are many obvious advantages countries that have such programs enjoy.

Thats fine....right after EVERY Senator's son, Presidents son, and all of them have done their service as well. President and Senators themselves included.

ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS SHOULD HAVE MANDATORY MILITARY SERVICE OF DOUBLE THE REQUIREMENT OF CITIZENS. THE SERVE US!!!!!

Well Seeing as how the Navy still is looking to cut down about 30,000 plus people, and the Coast guard arent even accepting recruits... I dont think a draft is anywhere on the agenda right now, or even in the close future. Sure the Marines could use some more able bodies but there not that desperate...

Also the military is cracking down on misbehavior if you do get into trouble your most likley to either get thrown out, or sent to CCU (brig). So drafting a lot of knuckle heads and wasting money on them is nothing but trouble volunteer is good for now...

TRW its a great idea, if I may just change slighlty, what you do is get all the people who want war, that would be politicians, the rich and powerful, all the despots, Religeous fanatics and anybody else who thinks war is good. You take all of them to unhabited island and let the all kill each other. That way the rest of us can live in peace.

Getting back to the thread you will probaly see the draft being reintroduced soon especially as Russia and China want to be on top of the pile.

I agree in theory to the idea of doing compulsory military service however, when you live in the United States and you have the Military-Industrial Complex in full-swing it's an extremely dangerous idea.

As for the draft, do you not think the government learnt its lessons in Vietnam? By that I mean putting together the various social groups and classes -- it caused a big problem. Isn't it better to let the poor and lower class who have no other choice for a better life volunteer? And I do say that tongue in cheek.

I think the idea is a very bad one, and undermines a persons
rights.

I believe in two years of military training, but not mandatory
military service.


Forcing people to serve in a war is one of the most dispicable things
that a country can do, and I dislike that so many countries have
mandatary military service.

Draft is a terrible thing. US hasn't even deployed 30% of there forces. Also how is it a privilege to die for ones country?

i was in the servive for 4 years and served my country with an honorable discharge, and i hate the draft. the draft , no matter how you look at it, the gov't will find some way for you to be drafted if they really want you. i like the idea that we should use our jail inmates for rehabilitation thou. a special squad or something. nice one agent-t, id like to see the scum off the streets too.

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you guys have some good ideas alright!!

ok, but.....

if we use the locked up prisoners............
they will arrest more and more people, just to send more to war!
you will see alot of PEACEFUL pot smokers arrested and off to war, so they cannot vote to legalize it,
thats why they are arrested anyways (felons cannot vote!)

if we make all those who wish to go to war.........
half will fight and die for their country,
while the political/ business type will tuck their tails and run!!!!!
or, pay someone to go for them so they can continue to scam us all at our expense

lets see now.....

bush's daddy got him out of vietnam.
karl rove weaseled his way out of it too......
any body know how cheney got out of going???

its amazing that the people who DID GOTO WAR,,, such as,
john kerry, and the other guy that was tortured, (cant remember senator name)
theese people would have done things differently......

but now that bush passed those 2 bills,,,
he gets to say what is and isnt torture,
and detainees do not get a fair trial (innocents in wrong place and time)
in a kangaroo court, (please look up definition).........

with those 2 bills, now the terrorists (family members with murdered relatives)
have no reason to be caught ALIVE...

and will spawn even more suicide bombings (rather than be tortured)
with the military tribune and NO JURY to decide,
they are gonna DIE ANYWAYS

and especially with the "torture the detainees bill".......,,
if any of your friends/family members in the service, happen to get caught,
by theese terrorists, i'm sure they shall pay dearly (skinned alive ...etc....)

he just f;d us all in the military!!

anybody remember the journalists being killed over there??
why would the terrorists kill them??
terrorists GAIN from reporters reporting american atrocities (white phosphour, d.u.,
u.s. guys raping and killing innocents.....)

but americans on the other hand have this whole war, and the whole WORLD ,
against them if theese things get reported!!!!

i can see the top brass telling troops to SILENCE THOSE F'ING REPORTERS

how many have died now???

The Australian government is already talking about getting parents to 'persuade'
their school leaver offspring to go into the military for 12 months instead of travelling around and having fun until they decide to goto uni or get a job.

They are thinking about waivering university fees as an incentive (think dangling carrot and stick theory). I reckon this is the beginning of the return to National Service in Australia.

National Service was no more after the ALP Government under PM Gough Whitlam
came to power in 1970 something (my bad).

Maybe this is a sign that it may be on the agenda in the US too?

Dubya and Johnny are a little close these days

Peace for All
resi

The experiences that I had while serving in Iraq it that war is by no means a good thing and that combat is by no means something that everyone can handle. I've seen soldiers in the military for 15 years playing soldier but when it comes to face to face trouble they dont have what it takes, and that's ok. So the idea of a draft in wartime is stupid. I only want quality soldiers next to me someone who I can trust my life with, not my next door neighbor. though manditory service for a year or two in somtype of homeland security force/job wold be good. SOmething non deployable or for national uses like Katrina.. I know that this is what the National Guard and reserves is supposed to be but I think for manditory service they should stick to Natioanl security so that people know what they are fighting for, their own families and communities.

Originally posted by resistancia
The Australian government is already talking about getting parents to 'persuade'
their school leaver offspring to go into the military for 12 months instead of travelling around and having fun until they decide to goto uni or get a job.

They are thinking about waivering university fees as an incentive (think dangling carrot and stick theory). I reckon this is the beginning of the return to National Service in Australia.

Hi resi,
do you have some links on this for me ? The only thing I could find on this was something on the Young Labour party trying to establish this in NSW but not just for military drafting but for all sorts of community work.

I am an Aussie married to an American and we're both looking forward to moving back to my hometown in Vic, Australia once he retires the US armed forces. We're both opposed to this anywhere and should it come to be back home I need to know so I don't have any lil ones lol (jokes aside I'd seriously reconsider it ... or move to NZ hehe)

Cheers.

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Originally posted by The_Result_was
I was listening to my radio and I heard an idea that i think could work:

Remember that in other nations like Isreal it is a duty to serve your nation,and even a privilege to die for it.

A policy must have a motive. Ok, so we have this little lottery to build a big military and a big economy, etc. Why do we want those? What good is a great economy if you hate your life?

The privilege of serving your country is not in that you are rendering unto others but in that you have the good fortune of belonging to a nation where service to the nation is one in the same with service to yourself or your children.

Why is it a privilege for an Israeli to serve Israel, but not for an American? Because the American's children have no stake in Israel. Indeed it is a great privilege to belong to a nation which exists not for the glory of the elite but for the common good of the citizenry.

If we interpret the good of our nation in such a way that the ability of our citizens to pursue what they personally consider a meaningful life is secondary to the GDP or the outcome of wargames, then it will be no privilege at all.

I believe it was Heinlin who said, "If a government can't get its own citizens to protect it, I say let the damn thing die". Thus, I oppose the draft.

Wow draft I keep hearing these posts and wondering... How do you sing the national anthem of canada? Seriously. I didnt join the service when the recruters begged me to join in high school and I am not getting shot now Ill stay at home and protect my son from here.

Horrible idea. Placing poeple on a job they dislike. It'll both hurt the economy and the military.

Service for a few years in noncombat would be a benefit to most though.