Why UFOs CAN Exist

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I am posting this thread in reply to Shamanator's because, I believe that the subject must be viewed objectively, scientifically and INTELLIGENTLY.

This is what Shamanator posted:

Why UFO's cant exist

I know a lot of people here believe in UFO's and Aliens like a religion which really is a pity in this day and age. The truth is there are no such things of course why are the people who see UFO's always mentally unstable if there were "REAL" aliens don't you think they would contact smart people like Stephen hawking and George Bush.

Here are the reasons why UFO's are not real

1:: They are always seen by people who are drunk and or drugs and never by intelligent people

2:: All Aliens that are seen look the same proving a mass delusion (or more likely baby memorys of seeing their mother before their eyesight is developed) please see this link www.badastronomy.com... for unrefuteable proof

3:: The distance between stars is light years and if any aliens developed travel fast enough theyd end up going faster than light and end up back in time.

4:: Why are there so many hoaxes like the famous roswell hoax.

5:: In the bible God tells us he made man only

This is why I think UFOs CAN EXIST

1:: The statement UFOs are ONLY seen by drunk or drugged people is a COMPLETE lot of BS!!! There have been hundreds of thousands, possibly MILLIONS of people who have witnessed UFOs, from garbage men to government officials to military officers - DO YOUR RESEARCH!

2:: The fact that 'all' aliens look so similar is that nature ALWAYS finds the most efficient way to evolve into it's environment. Two arms and two legs is the best design for a sentient being; legs for walking upright to allow better view of the surroundings, arms and opposable thumbs to allow manipulation of the environment to suit the being, two eyes to allow depth perception, ears to hear, nose to smell, all kept near the brain to reduce lag time, a mouth to ingest nutrients, and of course subsequent oraphuses to allow waste disposal.

3:: The distance between stars can be overcome without the need to go hurtling through space at the speed of light (Einstein says this is impossible anyway as mass increases with speed - meaning at the maximum speed possible, you would 'weigh' an infinite amount, requiring infinite energy to propell you). Steven Hawking and Einstein both said that WARPING space IS POSSIBLE. Get a piece of paper an draw two dots at either end. In order to get from dot A to B you would THINK you would have go across the paper BUT, if you BEND (or warp) the paper (or space) and JOIN the points, the distance you travel relatively becomes almost nothing!

4:: Hoaxes are usually created by very sad people who either want attention, a bit of fun or some money. It is up to all of you to look at the evidence OBJECTIVELY, and SCIENTIFICALLY and distinguish the hoax from the genuine footage.

5:: The Bible was created by the Roman Emperor Constantine and his aides in the 2nd century AD from a large collection of Gospels written during or after Christ's life by MEN, NOT BY GOD. Constantine realised that the rise of Christianity would cause a civil war within the Roman Empire, so he officially declared Christianity as the Empires national religion. Not ALL the Gospels that were originally written are included in the Bible we read today, they were specifically chosen to create a religion that was suitable for all and that would cause the least trouble. Constantine put together a council of philosiphers and religious men to decide whether or not Christ was a divine being, it wasn't that he really was, THEY DECIDED HE WAS.

Personally I do believe in God, but not as He is depicted in most religions today. Hes not a bearded white guy floating on a cloud in the sky. God IS Nature, God IS the Universe, Evolution, everything we see feel and ARE IS GOD, we are ALL part of Him

I agree. Plus if the univers is infinite and life on earth exists. That means there is a % chance for life to form again or before. Now multiple this % by the univers being infinite = infinite life regardless of the super small % chance of life forming. Thus I conclude that there is infinite aliens. About them haveing the tech to travel to earth, that I don't know but, I know there out there.

Nice idea Hippycracker, well done incorperating all of Shamanator's posts into your's.

I agree totally with you halfmask

A hundred years ago we were the only people in the universe, fact.

Thirty years ago scientists said there MIGHT be a tiny chance of extra-terrestrial life, most likely bacteria.

Twenty years ago they said there was a LARGE CHANCE that there was some intelligent life in the infinity of space.

Nowadays most scientists are willing to admit that the chances of alien life is DEFINATE.

The question is not: Are we alone in the universe?
The question is: Will we make contact with extra-terrestrials in my lifetime?

Larks

Good post HippyCracker - succinct and to the point. I'm in your boat with just about everything you wrote - hell, I'll grab and oar.

Especially am in tune with your point #5. Its all about control/fear babay....

On your point #2 I think that it is a very common sense approach to what would be "typical" evolution no matter where it occurs. Might be some odd variations due to environmental differences.

Originally posted by Hippycracker
3:: The distance between stars can be overcome without the need to go hurtling through space at the speed of light (Einstein says this is impossible anyway as mass increases with speed - meaning at the maximum speed possible, you would 'weigh' an infinite amount, requiring infinite energy to propell you). Steven Hawking and Einstein both said that WARPING space IS POSSIBLE. Get a piece of paper an draw two dots at either end. In order to get from dot A to B you would THINK you would have go across the paper BUT, if you BEND (or warp) the paper (or space) and JOIN the points, the distance you travel relatively becomes almost nothing!

And don't forget that we can even speed up light and slow it down and even get it to go in reverse. Einstein was smart but I don't think EVERY thing he said will be "valid" in the future.

And yeah, great post.
I think it's actually very realistic for aliens to exist, and even that some of them have found earth.

The reason that all extra-terrestrials evolve the same is because we are created in God's image. God is the infinite universe and infinite existence. We evolve so that God can know itself. We evolve so that we can know God. We are of God. They are of God. We are the universe observing itself. Mass, matter, and energy that has become conscious and aware of what it is. Hope that clears up the whole bit about religions. Also hope that clears up what it means to be human. Have a good day all.
Peace and love,
A Human Being.

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"The reason that all extra-terrestrials evolve the same is because we are created in God's image." = dgoodpasture


This I consider basically the exact type of thinking that led Shamanator to say " 5:: In the bible God tells us he made man only ".

Both are IMO are attempts to fit a reality into a set of predetermined beliefs based on faith.

The problem is that the debate centers around Physical phenomena and as such the answers will in the end be provided by the Physical Sciences and Faith and beliefs are irrelevant to the issue of UFOs here on Earth and or the possibility of life on other Planets in other Solar Systems.

Please don't start talking about god in this thread, haha. God even created the earth in 6 days? Yeah...

You don't even know God... I'm not talking about that God. God is the infinite universe and infinite existence. It speaks through me and can speak through you too. Have you ever heard of a galactic day? Study... maybe it will begin to make sense then. Human minds have so much potential... yet are so small and are bound to Earth philosophy and ideology. Earth day? No... Exta-terrestrials don't measure in Earth days... and "God", the universe... created the solar system... not in six Earth days... in 6 galactic days.

"Many people would sooner die than think; in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell.

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Originally posted by lost_shaman
"The reason that all extra-terrestrials evolve the same is because we are created in God's image." = dgoodpasture


This I consider basically the exact type of thinking that led Shamanator to say " 5:: In the bible God tells us he made man only ".

Both are IMO are attempts to fit a reality into a set of predetermined beliefs based on faith.

The problem is that the debate centers around Physical phenomena and as such the answers will in the end be provided by the Physical Sciences and Faith and beliefs are irrelevant to the issue of UFOs here on Earth and or the possibility of life on other Planets in other Solar Systems.

NO! This is the truth! You don't know God either! How can you tell me that I am wrong? Do you understand anything that I understand? Why don't you try and comprehend what I am saying instead of comparing me to someone or something else. Do you know how God works? Do you know WHAT God is? No, because you're scared to accept... you let fear drive you just like the rest of the human beings on this planet. I'm sick of it. You bow down to the grace of a non-existent "God"... when it is all around and in you. It's an infinite question... there is no static God... it's the infinity of the universe and the infinity of the existence of the universe. Death is eternal.... but the being that is consciously existing within itself is eternally existing while it consciously exists. Make an impact... be an example. I believe God chose me to be the first to spread this new knowledge... why? I do not know... but it is the truth and nothing can prove it otherwise... not science... and not a single human being... we will get it right this time around.

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dgoodpasture you should change your last line to read an Eartling or a resident of the planet Earth because in your reasoning all aliens would be human.

mikell

I didn't say they are all humans... it is TRUE... we are all "children of God". We are all created in its image... the universe evolved consciousness so that it could be aware of itself. Do you understand the way the universe works? It evolves life forms the only way that it can... essentially in its image. God created us! Now we can know God. Extra-terrestrials are the "angels" that are in "heaven" with "God"... because their whole planet knows what I know. Soon we will join them... very soon... but we must accept this new knowledge. This is what being "cosmically conscious" means. We must accept that there is no such thing as "supernatural" or "metaphysical", these words are termed out of fear... these things just exist... they just are... they are natural. It is of God... it is of us... it exists and it is real. We must first accept before we can understand and be invited. When we join them we will no longer be human. We will be universal entities. Human Being is a word derived on Earth. Isn't it?

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dgood, i understand what your saying and i truly agree with you. im just not exactly sure what you mean by being "invited". invited to what, please explain.




this is pretty off the subject of the thread, i apppologize

Only welcomed guests are invited to parties, right? Same goes for the universe. Or so they call it the "galactic federation of nations" or "worlds" or "beings"... you can't just invite people in and show yourself to them if they don't even understand their own reality yet.

If one goes to a costume party... one must dress up in the proper attire to be accepted.

Your question was right on, no need to apologize. I'll accept any and all questions regarding to what I am revealing.

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Why can't UFOs be real? What's the big deal? It's a huge big universe out there. And a pretty old one too. 20 Billion years.

Civilisations could have achieved space travel technology even before the Solar System came into being! Why not? Now if this is so, why the scepticism that UFOs are not real?

Now to drive the nail in further, read this....

For arguments sake, lets imagine that primitive life happens once in the lifetime of a trillion galaxies, and out of those only one in a trillion ever evolves out of its womb planet into a space-faring civilization. In this example then we are still left with an astounding 10 to the par 75 advanced societies - more alien cultures than the number of atoms composing planet Earth! Again, for some perspective on such a gargantuan number, there are more advanced civilizations partying it up around the galaxies than there are atoms in every single grain of sand on all the beaches and deserts in the world, and then some.

www.futurehi.net...

So Cheers! We are not alone!!

Yeah... it is beautiful.. and just to make note... the universe does not have an age. It is infinite and eternal. All we have to do is accept... and then they will be here. Don't let the government get in the way and do not let your religious institutions tell you otherwise... for they know not of what they preach.

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dgoodpasture,are you saying that all life forms in the universe are peaceful?just curious.

No, I never said that. Are you familiar with lions?

I see, so if were not invited its because of the way we are doing things on our planet and we wont be accepted out past our solar system, i guess you could say. as would go for any other civilization out there. I've always thought that but have never thought it was fair because there are really really good people on earth who know this and the evil on this earth is kind of holding us back

Yes, that is the truth. Unfortunately everytime I speak the truth on any website no matter where it is or what it is... I am banned... or here I am sent to below top top secret... as if what I am presenting is of no importance to the UFO/Extra-terrestrial connection. Not only that, but I am explaining the truth of our entire existence. Instead of accept the truth... they believe that playing moderator is more important than the truth of our existence. So... whatever! There are the evil forces in this world being presented to you! We have a whole world of chaos right now and this could take everyone's attention off of it and change our world forever... but no one cares.