UFO over China - suddenly disappears - August 17 2006 (great quality)

Originally posted by firebatAs stated by another poster, some of us aren't cgi-experts...

Some of us?? I think it's closer to 99% of us. Although I see some members have posted a decent case of debunking here, most have just irrationally jumped to conclusions.

well i cant say true or not but i d imagine something like this that d.sereda descripes in his video - "the evidence".. that ufos uses higher freq. so its not possible to see them etc ( those who saw it know what i mean i hope ) anyway nephyx u saw a lot of ufos so u know stuff?like u saw a lot of them in close proximity or? and btw i think we cant say that something is impossible since our physics are far from high and perfect level of understanding everything.

Well, it was at least a good video, and interesting to read through the replies. Very good to those that know how these things are done and explained them for us lay people.

Too bad, really. I would like to see a real one, as I am a believer. Also, for the non-believers (which seems fine to me), if we could have proven the video legit, it would have been an interesting take for those liking government experimental aircraft.

All around though, two thumbs up to the debunkers that looked over it and knew what to look for. It's so easy to call "fake", but I love to actually understand the "why" behind it, and appreciate it!

i looked at it again, i am very curious about it. The way the guy zooms i/out and it doesn't change seems fake, but the way it dissapears seems very real. someone convince me.

I thought I saw a half black half bright frame, in any case:

halo and half black half lightning bottom:





vibration characteristics of a flat surface, a flat coil as well under electrical stress
that causes lightning?




The seven sparks a start up in sideways motion may be peaks in a coil resonant
frequnecy.
In steady state hover or slow movement the craft may not give off sparks or light
effects.

cool clip man.There does appear to be an adobe like haze around the object though...And the way i saw it,it was as though the kid was filming saying "look dad a spaceship look!!!"and his dad was reading the paper in the room saying "yeah,hmmm,right"(just trying to read his paper).The star like emissions also looked a bit comical as the ufo sped off.Great clip all the same.It would be great if this craft employed some kind of dodgy graphics emulator,so that people who saw photos of it just said"thats been faked".Top stealth trick.lol

I want to believe.

Originally posted by RiotComingAccording to Phil Schneider in November 1995, his last lecture ever before he was murdered, he estimated advancements in military technology to outstrip the public sector by 44-45 years for each calendar year in the public sector. He said that this means as at November 1995, the military is 1200 years ahead of what we believe it to be known. Lord knows where we are at right now in 2006. Schneider said that the computer technology was "off the scale" and we won't likely see it for another 40-50 years.

Interesting theory, but just because Phil Schneider said it doesn't make it credible. He never once validated any of his claims, and often changed his story several times.

I think this video is fake, mostly due to the masking around the object in the sky. Ive spent quite a bit of time around video editing software, and this isnt anything special, believe me.

For many years there has been a top australian physicist on tv here explaining that he was taken by the u.s military to reverse engineer an alien space disk they had retrieved. He explains to us exactly how they work and what makes them wobble when they are standing still. There has been no coverup of the fact that the u.s have spaceships or that the technology is well understood and usable. Naturally any new gadget is a security threat so it will be kept out of the hands of the public. They were going to ban sony playstation2 because the technology could be used to guide missiles. They are very strict about what info gets out.

Very Intresting, The amount of Camera Shake (she must of drank waytoo much Coffee) Would make it Unbeleivibly difficult to Keep the Object floating Smoothley relitive to the Video. As For Video Artifacts around the Ship..
1 Pixalation around the Object is Normal after High Compression, its Pointless Debating it.
2 If real you must remember there filming somthing thats not of this earth
Digital Camcorders are crap at Contrast changes/light Reflections, the grey box around when It takes off could be due to The cam unable to Prossecs the Change, we have to take into account that it may have gone from Zero to Nearly lightspeed Instantly,

What Does concern me that this Is fake is the lack of Info about the Video, Whos is it? Whats the Story Behind it? why Don't they Put up Stills from the Tape? why was it Cut So Short at the End? Look at my Two "UFO/MAYLAR BALLOON" Videos , thats how a True UFO video would be shot theres no need in this day and Age to Cut Crop the Video so Short, China Right??? There Video Cam Should of Been Interlaced..WHY then is it Progressive Scan? Why would they Purposly DE-Interlace it all that does is merge and Drop fames and Lower Quality?

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Perhaps to help decrease file size for streaming? I'm not big on this kinda thing but to put up even a short clip like that in DVD quality would mean a big file size/higher loading time etc.

I have to be honest and say at first glance I thought "this is it - proof" but, as was mentioned many times previously, there are many tell-tale signs that its fake. However, as also mentioned earlier there are possible explations (some a little far-fetched) for these "signs". As I say, I'm no expert, but it looks very real to the untrained eye, and I wonder what the reaction from "normal" people (no offence) would be.

I want it to be real, just cos I think the flashing lights are coooooool....

For those who want to see better the disappearance of the UFO, here are the last 3 frames where the UFO is visible.

This is an animated GIF, so the image quality has been reduced.

Each image is visible for 1 second.

I have enlarged, inverted and scrutinized individual frames, but I can not find any artifacts,rectangles, pixelation or otherwise.

Perhaps some more enlightened members can post a picture where the artifacts are clearly visible?

The camera shaking is the first thing i am looking at. It is very hard
to make such camera tracking with cgi. But i am still not sure if this is real.

ArMaP did a good job there..... so I wanted to try it with my programs as well

few more frames in slow motion..

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Originally posted by allMIGHTY
The camera shaking is the first thing i am looking at. It is very hard
to make such camera tracking with cgi. But i am still not sure if this is real.

If you notice in this picture, the camera and the building is in motion, but for some reason the ufo is not?
could be cgi......... too many questionable things in this vid... though having the actual video would be best to judge...



The UFO has no motion trail?
both pics above have been stretched.

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Originally posted by Mezzanine

Originally posted by RiotComingAccording to Phil Schneider in November 1995, his last lecture ever before he was murdered, he estimated advancements in military technology to outstrip the public sector by 44-45 years for each calendar year in the public sector. He said that this means as at November 1995, the military is 1200 years ahead of what we believe it to be known. Lord knows where we are at right now in 2006. Schneider said that the computer technology was "off the scale" and we won't likely see it for another 40-50 years.

Interesting theory, but just because Phil Schneider said it doesn't make it credible. He never once validated any of his claims, and often changed his story several times.

I think this video is fake, mostly due to the masking around the object in the sky. Ive spent quite a bit of time around video editing software, and this isnt anything special, believe me.

Phil wasn't around long enough to drive the final nail in (they made sure of that) but the physical evidence he presented at his lectures - holding this stuff in his hands - it's about as real as real can get. I don't believe everything Phil had to say (he believed in God, there's one biggie for instance, haha) but for the most part I think he pretty much had the 'complete package' to bust this open. His comments on stealth and military technology - along with the photographs he presented and the alien-manufactured / mined physical materials he held in his hands and the purpose they served - to me at least shows that unique things *are* possible, and that's why I'm not so quick to dismiss this UFO clip.

As it's been also said, the masking around the outside is a natural compression artifact and I've given evidence of this on the previous page. You can even look at my own avatar of the UFO and you can see the same masking effect around it. Now I've never owned a copy of Photoshop in my life and I'm no liar or charlatan.

I applaud everybody in this thread for maintaining a mature conduct. I was a bit worried early on with people screaming the four letter F-word and calling me a tool etc.

I'm no cgi expert - and in my very first post I called on the photographic experts to help out. All of you with contributions have done very good work - aiding understanding of what we are seeing - and also to keep everybody on their toes. I realise people can get a bit frustrated when a video comes along that still is not 100% proof but just leaves that bit of nagging wonder in the mind. Some people have said "come on man this is an obvious fake it's so simple" - but for the reasons I expressed above about Phil's disclosures of black military technology, we may be looking at an ARV in cloaking mode that struggles to be efficiently caught by the video camera, being in cloaking mode. I'm not prepared to discount that possibility unless it can be efficiently be proven otherwise - a couple of extra frames in conversion is not quite enough. Masking and flat textures yes it is a possibility, but then again.. what if it's something else? What if perhaps this may be something the GP community doctors are misdiagnosing and we need to bring in a Dr Gregory House? Get away from the left-brain logical conclusions for once since we're dealing with the illogical here. Ufology in itself, is an illogical Dr Spock detour after all, right?

If you take a close look on the side panel of the video on Google, most of the feedback concludes it is CGI.

I just want to say that in the clip posted above that the lights that come on all around the craft before the large flash of light and the disapearance, that the lights all around the craft seem to be pretty symitracial.
Does any one think that might mean anything?

in the above clip the lights and the flash both move before the saucer does as well.

It seems to all boil down to a religious type faith with some of us. I saw some huge spacecraft recently as the sun was setting and I know they are here, but on my screen there is a definite rectangle around that ufo which compression would not create alone. I have met aliens and I'm not a sceptic but obviously I see something wrong with that video. There are countless people who spend all day creating images and weird stuff just for the heck of it. Just like there are people spending every moment creating viruses. I don't see it as being negative towards ufo research in general if I spot something not quite right about this video. And if all types of distortion can be created by compression then it's game over for the true or false game. Anything can be true because any faults must surely be the compressor's fault