Ufo's on cavepaintings & discs

There are also cave paintings with UFO's on it




And also discs which are 5.000 years old with space people on it (seems like the disc which the person on the cave painting holds in his hand, but they are separated thausands of miles).




The discs lie in museums by the way...

How do you guys see those sort of Ufo indications from thousands of years back?

lets let them think that we created all of them in their greatness by keeping them in ignorance...
and when they vear off the beaten path we will place "relics" in front of them to put them back on "our" track...

kinda foolish of a plan for it greatly underestimates the power of the human mind...

as well we have been her for much more than 5000 years...

more like 300000 earth years....

as well it helps those who make theories about cave dwellers being as how we never really were(except for the misfortunate in "the rope")...

The top picture - in black and white - just doesn't seem right. So much detail in the hands and shape of the plume of smoke under the saucer, the checkerboard landscape... Looks more like a post-modern Middle School art student's doodling... Compare it to other works from that period from various locations and they will look primitive in comparison.

Other ancient cave drawings you find don't have such detail, rarely if ever show details of the ground or individual fingers of the human hand and certainly don't show the horizon with a straight line.

Although I go along with the precepts of this thread, IMO that particular picture is suspect in it's authenticity.

Here's the web site the picture came from for other's to read... good article!~

www.violations.dabsol.co.uk...

integurl

I believe it. If UFOs visit us now, they could have visited this planet in the past, and such evidence shows us it happened.





France commemorative coin of UFO sighting



Lots more: mattboggs.com...

~I remember watching a t.v program once indicating that the picture is 100% genuine. And this isn't they only one. There are hundreds maybe thousands of cave paintings with illustrations of "space people" and "chariots of fire" all over the world dating back tooooo........well they old Yes I have no proof of this but you can be my guest to ask any ufo skeptic or anybody interested in the subject. Hell, look em up on yahoo. But this just shows that strange objects and aliens have been seen for thousands of years. I suppose.

I have always said, how can people claim there are no UFO's when Egyptians, Aztecs and other people were drawing pictures of them? They drew what they saw. Facinating stuff.

I wonder, do you persons in this forum also use Religions as back-up? If you do, then offcourse you could also use Ezekiel, Gospel of Thomas, Zohar, Egyptians, Dogontribe, Koran, Hopi indians etc.

I am saying this because I see a lot of Ufo reports here, but less use of the texts from thousands of years ago.



Then it would become also interesting to read sites like
www.main.org...
(Ps. they build their houses still in the shape of the Vimana's).

I don't know if you would like to use those sort of information about UFO's (from way ago) but it could perhaps be a nice addition to the sightings etc. in this live.

Ps. everywhere is spoken in the religions about such objects so... perhaps nice back up material?

Originally posted by intelgurl
The top picture - in black and white - just doesn't seem right.

I'd agree there, not just because it's a little 'over-detailed' for a cave painting, but because it actually looks like a paper and pencil/pen drawing.

The 2 pics that the leading poster added have both been proved to be fake, teh dish definately. The landscape picture was made more recenlt for a sci fi mag or one of those comic books.

I will try and find more info and come back.

The Viminas i find fascinating, although surely the design is too flawed, it could not fly, unless it is a falsyfied impresseion of what people were seeing.


I find RadicalEd's pics to be most intriguing and most provable of the existance of flying machines in ancient times. I could not for a second imagine how anyone could debunk these.

the very best site to see such artwork is here

www.ufoartwork.com...

Originally posted by triplesod
The 2 pics that the leading poster added have both been proved to be fake, teh dish definately. The landscape picture was made more recenlt for a sci fi mag or one of those comic books.

I will try and find more info and come back.

Please, you could also look at the sites which I have given... the disc is a fake? It stands in museums... together with the hundreds of other discs...

Goodluck in finding sites which try to prove museums wrongly.

I've at least read that disk was fake. The cave painting is just an illustration of what was on a cave, it could have been embellished or even fabricated. I would have to see the original cave painting to tell.

Originally posted by triplesod
I find RadicalEd's pics to be most intriguing and most provable of the existance of flying machines in ancient times. I could not for a second imagine how anyone could debunk these.

Perhaps also an advise... Zohar, Mayans, Egyptians, Hopi Indians, Aboriginals, Ezekiel.... not because of the images but because of the discribtions...

It is a fake, it is called the Lollidof plate or similar.

"This plate was first shown in a book from the 1970s entitled 'Sungods in Exile' by Karyl Robin-Evans. The book was actually written by a chap named David Agamon whose real name was Gamon who admitted to magazine Fortean Times that this was his hoax. "



As for teh so called cave painting that I claimed was from a comic.

"This claimed by many to be a a cave painting found near Fergana in Uezbekistan, thought to be thousands of years old. Part of it is depicted in my copy of Erich Von Daniken's "Chariots of the Gods." (Souvenir Press 1973 Hardback)
Explanation: A french researcher -Lemaire emailed me the following information. Basically it was a sketch done by a russian artist for a magazine "Spoutnik" in 1967 for an article concerning astronauts visiting mankind 12,000 yrs ago. Spoutnik was a magazine from the former USSR (in Reader's Digest format). It was published in several languages including russian, german, english, french and italian. Below is the original sketch, the artist's signature and the cover of the magazine."



You can find these quotes on the site I have given www.ufoartwork.com...

Click the link "hoaxes and misinterpritation".

the disk and the painting are admitted hoaxes.

the painting is an illustration from a Russian Sci-Fi.

skepticism is OK. it is important to seperate the chaffe.

Originally posted by triplesod
It is a fake, it is called the Lollidof plate or similar.

It is the Dropa disc, and no they aren't a fake because the museum confirms it.

Please give me a museum or really science based website which does say that the museums are all wrong... because the discs have been checked scientificy for oldness, and yes... they were 5.000 years old... and that's why you can now visit them in museums...

But if it is all just a fake and the museums are entirely wrong with their dating of the discs, then I would like a scientific website...

Just like the socalled comic give a real scientific website (edu. for example) and then everybody will be happy.

Originally posted by herm


skepticism is OK. it is important to seperate the chaffe.

Originally posted by triplesod
The 2 pics that the leading poster added have both been proved to be fake, teh dish definately. The landscape picture was made more recenlt for a sci fi mag or one of those comic books.

Bingo! Give Triple the prize! Those are, indeed, fakes and we've debunked them on the board many times.

The Viminas i find fascinating, although surely the design is too flawed, it could not fly, unless it is a falsyfied impresseion of what people were seeing.

Not only that, but the INTERPRETATION is wrong. "Vima" means "temple roof". It doesn't mean "flying saucer." And many "Hindu texts" quoted on them and their powers are false, as you can see from yourself by searching the Mahabdarata and other religious texts.



[Edited on 4-11-2003 by Byrd]

Here are some photographs of the Lolladoff plate. It is claimed to be several thousands of years old, found in Nepal. Clearly showing a disk shaped UFO, there is also a figure on the disc looking remarkably similar to what we would today call a Grey. It is supposedly housed in a museum in Berlin.

Explanation: This plate was first shown in a book from the 1970s entitled 'Sungods in Exile' by Karyl Robin-Evans. The book was actually written by a chap named David Agamon whose real name was Gamon who admitted to magazine Fortean Times that this was his hoax.

It is housed in a Frence museum
www.edicolaweb.net...

What is the site you have given me and the others???
I do really wonder how you could use such a website as prove, while all other websites claim different...

www.ufonasa.com...

All the arguments given on that site become invalid if you read the story like everyone knows it went... not maked clear by some sort of book, some persons do really like to believe something is false, and then those sites occur as you gave me.

I know, museums are wrong, scientific investigation of oldness is wrong, the texts have been translated badly, they are misinterpreted... yes offcourse everybody who has been specialised in it was totally wrong, because it doesn't fit in our way of thinking... so it can't be right.

Or are we going to say that

www.ufoartwork.com...

Perhaps doesn't have got ANY arguments, because I have read it, but I only see that is is, because it just is.

No links to really scientific sites... perhaps because there arent !

Why question museums etc.? And why even saying they are fakes while it is proven they are not?

The discs are in a museum... and that's not because someone admitted that he falsified them, but because they are as old as the museums and scientists claim it to be.