UK falling apart!

Does anyonbe else here agree that the country is falling apart? I read the paper everyday on my lunch break at work and all I hear about is killings, asbos, cultural seperation (mainly muslims due to the recent attacks), awakning of Al Qaida sleeper cells and generally people moaning about the government and police enforcement. I saw about the recent bombing in Turkey in which ~20 English civvys were injured. It just seems to me that everything is falling apart but more so now than it has been in the past

What is coming of our world?!?! And will it ever end?

[edit on 29/8/06 by a_buck_fifty]

I thoroughly agree! It seems each year has been getting worse and worse for a while now. Its all doom and gloom, especially as the population has just reached 60 million people... definitely can't be good. At the end of the day we are a small country, I believe that we are without the infrastructure or resources to sustain such a high population for any great amount of time.

I just think that there is more going wrong than there is ever any right going on and its frustrating to understand this concept. It's depressing to read this in the papers everyday. Anyone from any other countries get this impression or is it just the good old Brits thats taking it from behind?

Immigration is destroying England and Scotland. They are small countries that had distinct cultures and peoples and now the globalists are destroying it via the invaders they push on them.

The world is changing, as it has always done. Cultures and civilisations come and go or transform rapidly in order to survive. I agree that our nation is becoming more violent and certainly appears to have less respect and consideration for others. However, this is the fault of our own society, education sytem and parenting. Not only this, but many people refuse to face responsibility for their circumstances (or getting out of them).

A large proportion of our population is cosseted and lazy, lapping up handouts from the state for extended periods of time. Handouts that they don't deserve from a state to which they don't contribute as they leech money and support which would be better spent on people who really need help.

If immigrants come here to work and make a new life, good for them. Perhaps they will eventually replace the chaff that we've accumulated.

The age old refrain of "It's all the immigrants fault" is a lame excuse. Our birthrate is plummeting (as is most of the developed world's) and our native population consider themselves above filling many essential jobs (why work when you can have a kid and earn more watching Trisha), I welcome the people who come to work here.

The distinct culture of the British Isles came to an end when the Romans conquered the country and when they left the Celts wiped out the Picts. In the Medieval period we had more in common with northern France. Cultures vanish, history survives regardless of who lives in the land.

I live in the US this whole Arab Islam thing is getting under my skin its like a plague. I so sick of hearing about these brainwashed idiots it isnt even funny. They want jihad lets give it to them.

My goverment has my permision to whipe the whole middle east out I dont care. Lets put them back in the stone age were they belong. And when another attack happens on US soil the first bearded freak that looks at me his getting his lights knocked out.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Immigration is destroying England and Scotland. They are small countries that had distinct cultures and peoples and now the globalists are destroying it via the invaders they push on them.

I would just like to say, that after all I have ever read on this site.

Of all I ever written on this site.

Maybe all I have ever written, heard or seen in anything I have ever read..

There is nothing more true then that statement right there. Pure, simple, blunt and wise.

What makes a country a country? What makes a scott a scott, a english man different then an Irish man? What is the difference between the French and the English??

Soooo much is different, HISTORY is different, culture is different! That is what makes a nation a nation, what gives it a identity that all who reside within it's borders can claim.

We want to be nice to everyone, we want to let the other nationals in, mix the races, forget cultural identity, forget your history, you must become a bland, politically correct, faithless dumbed down society with nothing to hold onto..

It will destroy you in the end.. you cannot survive as a people without any common ground and history, that is all you have, and when you steralize your culture, when you Americanize it... you will loose it all.

Is England failing? Oh.. oh yes it is, so is America, so is France.... remember the riots? So is Germany, so are all the countries that where once great, because they have forsaken their history they will perish.. I would say this isn't about race.. to ease the self conscience, the easily offended, the sensitive types.. but that is exactly what it is when it comes down to if the races that imigrate are not assimulating to the culture.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Immigration is destroying England and Scotland. They are small countries that had distinct cultures and peoples and now the globalists are destroying it via the invaders they push on them.

The same happened and still happening here in Portugal, i´d say it´s not the immigrants, its the immigration policy of our countries that is wrong...there is an old saying: In Rome, be a roman (i guess you have this saying in england too if not i´m sure you understand it)

So in my opinion, the real proble is the getos, and there are portuguese getos in London and I don´t like that. I think that if someone goes to another country is to live acording to the culture of that country other ways of thinking will only increese the development of "contries within countries"

About the news we all ear on the tv...it´s the same everywhere. It´s just the way televisions make money on us ...they transmit us fear so we stop reasoning and became more consumists, that way the ads revenues will increese for teir advertisers, and they will charge more for airtime, that´s all.

I don´t watch the news on tv anymore its the solution I found...


fred

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Is England failing? Oh.. oh yes it is, so is America, so is France.... remember the riots? So is Germany, so are all the countries that where once great, because they have forsaken their history they will perish.. I would say this isn't about race.. to ease the self conscience, the easily offended, the sensitive types.. but that is exactly what it is when it comes down to if the races that imigrate are not assimulating to the culture.

Great cultures and empires have existed that grew richer (culturally) by being transformed as they absorbed whole nations. One generation that resists integration is hardly the death knell of society as we know it.

The main problem in this country are the indigenous population that don't want to get off their backsides and work. And anyway the English are merely continuing an age old tradition, we got the scots, irish, welsh, aussies, indians and even americans to fight wars for us. Now we're getting others to work for us. Ahhhh, makes you proud to be a clean limbed son of Albion eh? Or Anglo-Saxon, or Anglo-Irish, or.....erm.....who were the Angles again......and what happened to the Jutes.....and the Sarmatians that stayed here a thousand years ago, must've been tricky what with them speaking an Iranian language. We must've out bred them, pesky immigrants, coming over here centuries ago and fouling our fair and pure race.

Dunno where this idea of falling apart comes from...

And i dont see how our 'vast' immigrant population is swamping the native culture. If anything its damn fools swallowing yankee crap wholesale!

Remember remember the 5th of Novemeber? Nope cos its Halloween five days earlier and all the kids do that instead.

Dont blame immigants, blame ourselves.

The UK has been falling apart for a few decades and i agree imigration is a huge problem that is destroying the british identity, in my opinion they opened the borders hopeing that once the british identity had been destroyed we would then vote to join a larger EU more fully which would then be amalgamated into one nation (for the greater good of course )

[edit on 30-8-2006 by solidshot]

No I don't think you can blame immigration for all this countries ills, there may be concerns about the impact of large scale immigration, cultural or sectarian isolation but with a bit of common sense and co-operation on all sides it can be resolved. I think the major problems we are encountering right now are more linked to a culture of self interest, lack of community, non responsibility, violence and civic bodies who seem unwilling or uninterested in trying to foster some kind of ethical or moral awareness within the population. Our media seems more and more to cater for the basest, lowest common denominator and by example another generation grow up with only the culture of self interest as any kind of guide.

Granted I still believe that the worst cases in this country are only a minority, unfortunately they seem to be having a major impact. On a day to day basis I worry far more about 'the white chav' than the brown skinned immigrant.

Immigration is ripping the heart out of the UK, and it shows in the amount of 'covered up' statistics the Goverment ignore or sweep under the carpet.

60 million people in our tiny country, and a Prime Minister who says that he can see 'no upper limit to the amount the UK can support'. Freaking great - an idiot in charge of a hand cart headed to hell.....

Slough. Ever been to slough ? even the asian and black minorities are complaining about the 300,000, yes thats no typo, 300,000 poles who have flooded into the uk for work.... country wide its nearly 625,000. A freakin million by the end of 2006....

Oh and heres the rub. If they live and work in the UK, they are entitled to child benefit support for their children straight away - EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT LIVING IN THE UK!!

Now, im all for helping those from war zones and or disaster areas, but wars finish so go home, disasters get cleaned up, so go home - BUT this tidal wave sanctioned by the UK goverment seems for one reason and one reason only. To swamp the country with grateful people who will vote for them at the next elections.

Oh, and the UK Gov refuse to release all figures concerning UK born and bred people emigrating to other countries for a better life...

Wonder why?? Maybe because its tearing apart at the seams maybe?

The uk's been falling apart for years, its a wreck, full of refugees, they take loads the money from the government, a while ago i was with out a job, i went to the job center and its full of refugees getting loans, none of em had jobs but their all wearing designer clothes, walking round with top of the range mobile phones and even buying property and converting them to flats to move more refugees in, where i live its the very first stop for them from france, i'm always seeing them jump out the back of trucks after coming through the ferry port, i'v seen them come across on tiny little rubber dingys and even lilo's

when they started moving into my town the crime rate went up loads, more rapes then ever not to mention burglarys and whatever, its not as bad as when they first came here cos alot have moved up country but theres still a few thousand here. there was almost a riot one night, brits against fugees, man that was a good night

then ya got 12 year olds carrying knifes running round mugging people, asbos being handed out like sweets, they dont take any notice of there asbos anyway, my mates little brother had an asbo, then got locked up in feltom, got out and WANTED to go back so kept getting himself arrested, he's back in for a few more years now, how #ed up is this country when people find a better life in prison

theres more gun crime down this way then ever before, just this year theres been atleast 4 shootings in pubs, the pubs got shut down the same night never to open again, there was a women who shot her littlee son then turned the gun on herself and then there was a guy who shot someone at his house

a few months ago i was walking down the street, there was an old guy about 80 walking towards me, i stopped to let him past cos a car was parked on the path and he looked terrified, i said after you sir, and he looked up and smiled, he stopped and said to me "your the first youngster in years whop hasnt tried barging into me, most kids would just push me out the way, i'v been mugged 12 times in 2 years" i felt really bad for the old timer, i was bought up to respect ya elders, after all if it wasnt for them we'd be speaking german

my nan hasnt left the house in 3 years since she had her purse snatched out of her hand and pushed to the floor, she's just too scared to go out, and what do the police do about it, # ALL, they aint bothered, they told us theres no point continueing investigations cos they wont catch who done it, we knew who done it, we told the police who done it but they aint bothered, later that day i got arrested and fined for taking the law into my own hands, i only went to get my nans pension back from the kids, i beat them black and blue lol never got the money cos they spent it on drink and weed (i took the weed and the rest of the drink lol)


wow, long post, i'm gonna leave it here, i could go all day otherwise but just to conclude, THIS COUNTRY IS #ED UP

true not all of the problems are created by imagrants, for instance if you look at the indian comunity they have thrived and created prosperity as well as integrating well, but if you look at other asian and european comunities that have imagrated to the uk they have seemingly not tried to integrate or made any attempt to create their own wealth/enterprise

other problems are of course caused by our own goverment, actions like giving away control of our laws have caused major problems, there are also problems with numerous past and present goverments only making the rich richer and the poor poorer, this only causes resentment and ill feeling. there are so many problems within the uk at the minute that i could go on for page after page and i dont see any of them changing anytime soon if ever.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Immigration is destroying England and Scotland. They are small countries that had distinct cultures and peoples and now the globalists are destroying it via the invaders they push on them.

Don't be silly. England is a nation of invaders and immigrants. The English are originally German.

Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght

Oh and heres the rub. If they live and work in the UK, they are entitled to child benefit support for their children straight away - EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT LIVING IN THE UK!!

Considering that most Poles who work here pay tax on the wages they earn (clearly some of you can't imagine the possibility of an immigrant paying tax on thier salary) they're more entitled to benefits than the average "english rose" (more accurately: a foul mouthed teen chav tart with a drink problem and the attitude to match).

Oh, and all that "tearing the heart out of the UK" BNP style rhetoric is nonsense. For an example of really tearing the heart out of a nation look at what happened to the Natives in America and Australia, clearly some people need a little perspective.

Just wondering, by the way, since this anti legal immigrant bugbear is such a favourite of far right politics here (and on the continent), would anyone here actually vote for those BNP muppets?

The country has been steadily falling apart for the last couple of decades at least.

The nanny state getting into every aspect of peoples lives, the dumbing down of everything. People used to take responsibility for themselves but now it's so easy to blame any misfortune or criminal act on something or somebody else.
Some people just need slapping back into some state of reality and to take responsibility for their lives back again.
Immigration is a huge problem I agree, and something which successive governments do little or nothing about. Preferring to pander to the growing ethnic groups for possible votes rather than making a stand and calling for it to stop.
This is England, this is how we live and if you don't like it or it doesn't fit your ideology or religious convictions then get the hell out, it's as simple as that.
Remember the old saying "when in Rome"?

I'm no flag waving patriot but there has to come a time when enough is enough and the people force the government to do something to curb, or better yet, cease ALL immigration indefinitely. It is a huge drain on resources and we already spend enough money on irresponsible teenage mothers and other wasters who donate nothing to society yet expect, as is their right, to have the rest of us support them.
The whole fabric of society is breaking down as people adopt this "I'm alright Jack" attitude and rarely seem to look beyond the end of the current week.

Tony Blair and his ilk spend more time pandering to foreigners and travelling abroad trying to be "great statesmen" rather than staying at home and looking after the electorate who put them in office. That's career politicians for you I guess, and it's a big part of the problem.

Britain's strong. Needs time which it does not have to re-adjust life through security which at the moment does not include their laws.

They know they have a problem -- at home. As does Canada. Both are advancing rapidly to promote and secure safety as best it can be undertaken.

And, seems to me, it means people losing a bit -- too lot of personal freedoms.

Dallas

Security is a whitewash and has nothing to do with the country in general, most of it is simple fear mongering by those in power to keep a compliant society.

Pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan, not in some sort of appeasement to "terrorists", but simply because it matters not to the people of this country what happens half a world away. Heck, Afghanistan played a big part in bankrupting the Soviet Union and I object to my tax money being spent on this folly. If the people there want "freedom and democracy" then let them fight for it themselves and keep the meddling west out.
The money could be better spent on improving matters back home and maybe if we stayed at home we wouldn't have crazies coming here to attack us...seems logical?

The government has far too much power and is in reality nothing more than a dictatorship already. There is zero accountability to the people and far too many secrets. Add to that the ever more invasive surveillance and tracking and it becomes clear we are just cattle, there to be used for whatever purpose they have in mind.
As long as we are good little drones going to work and paying our taxes then all is well.