Islamic Conversion Forced on Fox Journalist's for Freedom!

Originally posted by the_sentinal
What if the Christians and Jews started forcing people at gun point to convert to their religion??

we would have a world wide mess!!!

[edit on 27-8-2006 by the_sentinal]

Not a very correct remark.Christianity has done that already. As to Judaism, well, you are either a Jew (one of the "Chosen people") or not...

Not really on topic, but did you know that jews and lebanese are both semites? Btw, Solomon married a Lebanese woman, abandoned Judaism and build a temple devoted to Astarte..

As to the absurd conversion thing, I for one am a nonbeliever. It achieves nothing, and is definitely not benefiting the "Palestinian" captors. Who benefits though? Noone really, except that it serves for more anti-islamic propaganda... Makes you wonder...

Omg.What kind of ppl force-feed religion by taking hostages?Im tempted 2 condem islamic principals but will buy the story that these are quasi-religous fringe fanatics.4 now...

If these kidnappers are idiots, i dont know, but an religion or faith cant be forced upon people to make them accept it. Afterall, what worth is the Islam if you get a bad impression from the start and dont believe in it?

you are asking all these questions as if trying to make logic of this supposed 'conversion'. Have you forgoten that we are dealing with idiot extremist?

I would convert to live. Then I would turn around and spit in their faces. How dare these people.

the problem with this whole thing is the future implications of the incident on religious freedom.

How many muslims were pressured into service to allah for fear of their lives??
would you ever find out if they were???

Could this effect the freedom of religion in america??? to combat the spread of Islam could all religious freedom be done away with???

Sorry, according to Christianity, they are going to hell. An eternity of damnation. They should of died to get to Heaven according to the Bible, like the lions dens of lore.

Matthew 10:31-33 (King James Version)
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

But hey, you guys have fun on Earth while you can!

Me? I don't believe in religion. I would of lied my butt off to get free, and obviously I think they did the right thing.

But maybe the Christians are right? The Sign of the Beast is Islam! People will deny Christ!

Oh protect me, Saint Isidore of Seville, Patron Saint of the Internets!

[edit on 28-8-2006 by curme]

Originally posted by curme


But maybe the Christians are right? The Sign of the Beast is Islam! People will deny Christ!



[edit on 28-8-2006 by curme]

At the rate Islam is growing it would consume the whole earth a few years from now so maybe it is the beast

Originally posted by Mammoth
If these kidnappers are idiots, i dont know, but an religion or faith cant be forced upon people to make them accept it. Afterall, what worth is the Islam if you get a bad impression from the start and dont believe in it?

Well it seemed to work with Christianity in the West a good few hundred years ago

lol maybe this group is going to capture every westerner and convert us all one at a time!

I believe it is part of the Islamic religion, if the infidels will repent and accept the truth, well, they will be spared, I wonder if these journalists have read the Quaran?

Unfortunately, these extremists can be pretty harsh to those who decide to leave their religon, so I do hope these two are very careful what they say now.

If I was an Islamic extremist and truly wanted to convert two Fox journalists, I would have had them read the Koran all day. Every day they would have exams and would have to recite passages. Then I would have them officially accept Islam and swear never to turn back. I would also tell them that if they do I'd have them killed. Then I might think I have accomplished something. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense to me...

Originally posted by Jamuhn

Originally posted by War_MongerAnyone who can't see this has never read the koran. I started reading it back in 1998 at the advise of a friend of mine who has degrees in history and religion.

Do you have any examples from the Qur'an? Because frankly I think you are lying.

Ahhhhhhh, yeah. Go read the damn thing instead of making stupid comments beacause of your short-sightedness. And, if you can call me a lier I guess I can call you ignorant! By the way, there is already a thread on this sight discussing what I'm "lying" about...but you, of course, wouldn't be interested in that I see.

Originally posted by Jgruh4e
If I was an Islamic extremist and truly wanted to convert two Fox journalists, I would have had them read the Koran all day. Every day they would have exams and would have to recite passages. Then I would have them officially accept Islam and swear never to turn back. .................

although i don't suppose the purpose of the abduction was to 'convert' 2 journalists,

i suspect the captors made the best use of the situation, and did just what you proposed...
set about to indoctrinate the captives ~ or at least give the captives a first hand taste about radical Islam.

The humanitarian release of the journalists, unharmed & healthy (but traumatized)
imho is a big World Opinion booster for the militant Muslims? Islamists? Jihadists?
- - which differentiates 'them' from the Iraqi insurgency who did beheadings of their hostages....
quite a difference, eh? - -

Originally posted by the_sentinal
At the rate Islam is growing it would consume the whole earth a few years from now so maybe it is the beast

Until you post a reference for that, I'll assume you're assuming.

Originally posted by War_Monger
Ahhhhhhh, yeah. Go read the damn thing instead of making stupid comments beacause of your short-sightedness. And, if you can call me a lier I guess I can call you ignorant! By the way, there is already a thread on this sight discussing what I'm "lying" about...but you, of course, wouldn't be interested in that I see.

Or, instead of a bull-headed verbal attack like that, you could have linked to the thread in question and provided us all with a handy reference. But no, instead you shoot your credibility in the foot by being childish. There are so many things wrong with your post at such a base level it actually makes me furious...ignorance means "the condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed". This includes such things as etiquette and politeness, which it appears that you should hurry up and start brushing up on.

Good debate is civil debate. Try it out.

Originally posted by St Udio

The humanitarian release of the journalists, unharmed & healthy (but traumatized)
imho is a big World Opinion booster for the militant Muslims?

No, not really. The news is about converting those two journalists to Islam at gun-point. I don't see it as a big world opinion booster for the extremists. On the contrary, it is used as an anti-islamic propaganda tool.

Originally posted by Jgruh4e

Originally posted by St Udio

The humanitarian release of the journalists, unharmed & healthy (but traumatized)
imho is a big World Opinion booster for the militant Muslims?

No, not really. The news is about converting those two journalists to Islam at gun-point. I don't see it as a big world opinion booster for the extremists. On the contrary, it is used as an anti-islamic propaganda tool.

Since when is truth propaganda? Thats only the case when you don't like what the truth says!

Originally posted by War_Monger

Since when is truth propaganda? Thats only the case when you don't like what the truth says!

No. Propaganda does not exclude telling the truth. Here is one definition of propaganda:

Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation directly aimed at
influencing the opinions of people, rather than impartially providing information.

The aim of propaganda is to influence people's opinions actively, rather than merely to communicate the facts about something. For example, propaganda might be used to garner either support or disapproval of a certain position, rather than to simply present the position. What separates propaganda from "normal" communication is in the subtle, often insidious, ways that the message attempts to shape opinion. For example, propaganda is often presented in a way that attempts to deliberately evoke a strong emotion

So that means emphasizing certain facts, while neglecting others, with the purpose of furthering a specific agenda, is propaganda.

[edit on 28-8-2006 by Jgruh4e]

Originally posted by dgtempe
I dont believe anyone can be converted just *like that*

If this is true, i'm sure they went thru the motions to save themselves, and nothing more. What on earth would be the purpose of this? Who benefits? This is absurd.
I think its just a steaming pile.

Do you remember that there was an Islamic cleric who was bashing at Osama Bin Laden for not offering U.S. citizens to convert to Islam before the 9/11 attacks? and Osama responded that he did so the cleric said it was alright for the attacks to happen?

This is nothing new DG, it has been happening for millennia, once you convert to Islam, if you decide to stop being Muslim and you go to a country where there is Sharia law, the punishment is death.

AMANPOUR: Criticized by fellow extremists for not following, as they see it, the guidance of the holy prophet Mohamed for attacking an enemy.

SCHEUER: So he's spent the last four years very much addressing those issues with his audience. From the Muslim perspective, the prophet always demanded that before you attack someone you warn them and you offer them a chance to convert to Islam.

AMANPOUR: And that's exactly what bin Laden later did.

BIN LADEN: (speaking foreign languages)

GRAPHIC: I'm calling you to the path of happiness on Earth. To rescue you I'm calling on you to follow Islam.

SCHEUER: Bin Laden on three occasions, Zawahiri on two occasions, have offered to be our guides in a conversion to Islam, saying that everything is forgiven if you convert.

transcripts.cnn.com...
citypages.com...

10 May, 2004
PAKISTAN
Forced conversion to Islam fatal for Christian boy

New incident reveals frightening trend

Lahore (AsiaNews/Ucan) – Outrage at the death of a Catholic boy forced to convert to Islam at the hands of torturous abductors has prompted the Pakistan Catholic Bishop’s Commission of Justice and Peace, to take up the legal case. The Christian youth died of injuries inflicted by a teacher and students at an Islamic school. The National Commission for Justice and Peace declared May 4th that the incident reflects a worrying trend of forced conversions.

www.asianews.it...

There is apparently a lot of people who have no idea what radical Islam is and what they are trying to accomplish. Their goal is conversion of everyone and anyone they can into Islam or to kill those who do not wish to convert.

Persecution, Kidnapping and Forced Conversions of Christians in Egypt
by Robert Spencer
Posted Dec 09, 2004

The latest outrage in Egypt has been, like all the others, almost universally ignored by the international media and human rights groups. Wafaa Constantine Messiha, wife of a Coptic priest in Egypt, was abducted by jihadist Muslims and forced to convert to Islam. The Mubarak regime has done nothing. This is no isolated incident: Wilfred Wong of the Jubilee Campaign, a Christian human rights group, notes that "the attempts to force Christians to convert to Islam in Egypt are on the increase and the methods are getting increasingly varied and well organized.

www.humanevents.com...

This is nothing new and it has nothing to do with people being against Islam, Islamic extremists use these tactics and worse, the thing is that many people don't know what happens elsewhere in the world.

Even in the U.S. or any other western country normally when a non-Muslim woman or a non-Muslim man wants to marry someone who is Muslim, the non-Muslims have to convert to Islam.

[edit on 28-8-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Jgruh4e
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So that means emphasizing certain facts, while neglecting others, with the purpose of furthering a specific agenda, is propaganda.

[edit on 28-8-2006 by Jgruh4e]

Are you saying that there are no forced conversions to Islam?.... or that never in the history of Islam they have forced, or tried to force entire nations and/or other ethnic groups?.... That is the propaganda and you are obviously either not aware of the truth or you don't want to admit the facts for whatever reason.

Well something about this whole event has seemed fishy to me from the start. Now that the hostages have been "forced to convert to Islam".. the fish is getting very stinky indeed.

Two FOX journalists become hostages and the world waits with bated breath for their release, only to our collective horror we find that those Islamofacist bastards have forced them to denounce their christian faith. It seems like FOX News and the other right wing media outlets were right all along.. the goal of the radical muslims is to force us to convert to Islam or die horrible deaths.

Convenient and timely in the run up to the mid term elections, but also reminiscent of another "hostage" situation that wasn't quite as it appeared - GI Joe Held Hostage

What's the connection? The two FOX employees were abducted by the "Holy Jihad Brigades", a previously unknown group without apparent ties to any of the major players. GI Joe was "abducted" by the "Mujahadeen Brigades", a previously unknown group without apparent ties to any of the major players. Both groups demanded the release of unspecified muslim prisoners - clearly not a serious request if they couldn't name a single prisoner they wanted released.

Do I beleive the right wing media would go as far as fabricating an abduction to prove it's point? Yes, I do.