Is China above all this plot?

PS. chinese government don't do "evil" things to chinese ppl, organizations like FalunGong, Pro-tibet independence group, or even the US government do evil things to chinese ppl.

So how would you describe the actions of Mao? and why did you (parents)leave china?

Sorry that this is a bit off topic.........

We don`t love Mao. We kind of admire him.

Originally posted by mytotemisdragon
We don`t love Mao. We kind of admire him.

So I guess you would be a big rap for Stalin and Hitler, as he is definately in their company as histories greatest monsters.

Originally posted by tkmelb

Originally posted by mytotemisdragon
We don`t love Mao. We kind of admire him.

So I guess you would be a big rap for Stalin and Hitler, as he is definately in their company as histories greatest monsters.

Mao and Hitler in the same company? I think Mao`s army was you allies
against Hitler and the Japanese during World War2.

Tell you one thing. Once I met a woman over the age of 50 selling eggs by the
road. On her wrist she wore a watch with Mao`s head in gold on the watch`s face.
I happen to be interested in old watches and asked her about hers.

Her reply was irrelevent to my question. She told me that she wore the watch for
Mao blesses her. For many ordinary Chinese Mao is still their protector, in his time China was a more equal sociaty. I don`t say I want to return to his time, but I want to tell you about Mao`s position in some peaple`s heart now in China. It is a fact.

Mao and Hitler in the same company? I think Mao`s army was you allies
against Hitler and the Japanese during World War2.

from Wikipedia

Wikipedia


World War Two 50,000,000 (Hitler is given by some sources a 34,000,000 share of this.
Mao 40,000,000 People killed
Stalin 20,000,000 People
WWI 15,000,000

Stalin was our allie to, but that didn't make him one of the worst of all time.

In regards to people looking up to him, a job well done by the thought police.

i laugh in the face of anyone who calls China a communist country...they are the single most capitalist nation in the world today...barnone. Let me explain a little something we chinese people call "face". Its sorta means respect, or pride, or dignity, all at once...hard to explain..ill use an example...to give my parents face in front of their friends, i get a degree and a good job. Now an example of how it is to be applied to the chinese government...traditionally a communist regime,to admit it wasnt working for our economy would cause them to lose face to the world. Therefore they keep the Communist title, but operate under current form of government. Secondly, if you think you have freedom here in N.America anymore, you again are sorely mistaken. I ask you to take a good long look at your mainstream media and how utterly they are controlled, take a look at how much of your constitution remains unviolated (not much) and ask yourself since when did freedom of speech mean that you have the stay within so called free speech zone for fear the militarized nato police will beat u down as a terrorist....no China is not any better...im simply illustrating the SIMILARITIES rather than what I call nametag (different name, same idea) differences.

WHAT i do find interesting tho, is with all the money china and russia has invested in Iran right now, what consideration will that play in the United States seemingly inevitable war march?

Originally posted by tkmelb

PS. chinese government don't do "evil" things to chinese ppl, organizations like FalunGong, Pro-tibet independence group, or even the US government do evil things to chinese ppl.

So how would you describe the actions of Mao? and why did you (parents)leave china?

Sorry that this is a bit off topic.........

is china still the same as 40 years ago?

and Mao him self was against the government (he was the leader of the communist party, but not the chinese president), during the culture revolution, the even the president Liushaoqi was tortured to death, but that has nothing to do with the government today. Mao was symbolic figure so powerfull that the gang of four used this symbol to summon young chinese ppl try to over through the government and normal social systems, that's what happen in cultural revolution. the government was opposed to the idea of cultural revolution from the beginning. nine of the ten prime genenerals was dead during but the revolution, most government official were tortured. basically ,ppl went crazy during that period.

you really need to understand more about chinese government and china's history for the last centry before you post your comment

PS. why I come to canada has nothing to do with politics

[edit on 9/24/2006 by warset]

Secondly, if you think you have freedom here in N.America anymore, you again are sorely mistaken.

We are? I didn't know we were the one put in jail for speaking out against the government and we cannot receive foreign news and go on certain sites. Silly me

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
We are? I didn't know we were the one put in jail for speaking out against the government and we cannot receive foreign news and go on certain sites. Silly me

you don't really go to jail in china either if you speaks against the government, people give out their comments all the time, and that's basically how the chinese government made their improvements, and how china become advanced today.

let's just say this,
you CAN view this site, Abovetopsecret.com, too, in china, I tried that before,
and you can go to cnn in china as well, in my grandfather's home in china, he even has CNN channel on his TV, all you need to do is to pay some more for that extra satellite servies.
the only thing that's been blocked is websites put up by organizations like FalunGong, and Pro-taiwan/tibet-independence group, cuz the government think they cause too much trouble and unstability to society in the past.
and ironically, these groups are the one who are telling stories in N america about what china is like, so ppl here are basically seeing china in the way these groups are telling.
furthermore, even these groups of ppl don't really get to go to jail in china, they only go to jail if they actually cause real physical troubles/damage, eg. swear at the police and trying to pick a fight etc.,
however, they will have difficult time trying to get back to once they leave the country, cuz the chinese immgration office wouldn't be happy to make them visas once seeing their records. so alot of them got stuck in N american, and decide to swear....(one ex. was the women that was swearing during the chinese president's visiting with bush, the reason was that she has actively participated in FalunGong, and the chinese government wouldn't give her visa to go to china anymore...)

Originally posted by mytotemisdragon
Am so surprised to find the opinions in the US is so biased against the Chinese
government. Certainly our system is not as good as yours, but do you welcome
us to immegrate in your country. If not we have to stay where we are. By overthrowing the present government may result in catastrophe, is it your wish?

If we have a system like yours, I`d certainly be for it, but due to our economic
status and our traditions, go for it whould be more difficult than you did.

By the way, I`d like to say that India has a democracy by your standard, but I`d
rather to live in China than in India.

totally agree; infact, can't agree more than that.

[edit on 9/25/2006 by warset]

you don't really go to jail in china either if you speaks against the government, people give out their comments all the time, and that's basically how the chinese government made their improvements, and how china become advanced today.

Please please tell me you didn't just say you don't REALLY go to jail if you speak out against the CCP? Pleasssseee?

Listen, my friend's uncle went to jail for speaking out against the government and being part of an anti-government paper. And I know you feel that the government has a "right" to suppress the Falun Gong and other groups. But that isn't democratic. And that isn't freedom.

By the way, China is now filtering out foreign news. Or haven't you heard? There was a Chinese person on here talking about how in China a lot of things are censored. Why do you keep lying?

Anyone saying China has more rights than the US and Europe are ridiculous and moronic. And I don't even like calling people names

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Please please tell me you didn't just say you don't REALLY go to jail if you speak out against the CCP? Pleasssseee?

you may go to jail if your do things purely for causeing social unstability, or trying to disturbing/overthrow the current governmental system, or puting merely distructive comment. otherwise, constructive comment about how government should change and improve are totally welcome.

please, don't put FalunGong in the same catagory as chinese ppl, most of them don't even recognize themselves as chinese ppl.

ppl in china speak against government all the time, and you can see films speaking again government corruption all the time, I can prove it to you. but long as it's constructive to the country's long run, it's ok.

PS.CCP isn't even the formal name for chinese government, that's how FalunGong in north amercia calls chinese government. I used to read FalunGong news paper "Dajiyuan" all the time, don't tell me I don't know what FalunGong is. and i don't lie and don't make things up, it gets really annoying.

and please read my previously posted thread, I SAID and explained how and why ppl in europ and n american has more rights because there are less ppl here to be taking care of than there are in china, so as a result, ppl here do receive more care and protection and rights
but still not in the FalunGong sense. I can tell you right now, FalunGong new paper is the most biased new paper i ever read, far more biased than any other existing newspaper. If you actually believe what is said on them, than you are totally a dumpass. Period, no need to discuss or argue with me on FalunGong.

[edit on 9/25/2006 by warset]

double reply...

[edit on 9/25/2006 by warset]

you really need to understand more about chinese government and china's history for the last centry before you post your comment

[edit on 9/24/2006 by warset]

I think it is you who has to put aside your naivity and research what really happened in china under Mao. Your loyalty to this monster astounds and dismays me.

[edit on 25/9/06 by tkmelb]

[edit on 25/9/06 by tkmelb]

I am a Chinese. And I tell you that Fulong Kung IS spreading false message. I want it too, to dissappear from the face of the earth.

Your seriously deluded about the Chinese communist goverment, the gulf between rich and poor in China is massive.

The communist regime has a shocking human rights record with forced abortions, they arrest, kill anyone who opposes them just see what they do to farmers who revolt. They have execution vans that go round murdering people, they execute political prisoners and use there organs for transplants to make money. They have even made there own google to stop people learning from whats really going on.

You should use this site Truth in China if you want to see whats going on in China and its not the perfect country you make out far from it!

Just wondering rather than starting a new post, how much of the world is actually democratic are we out numbered from democracy vs the rest of the strict governments? Where does democracy stand in the pie chart vs the rest of the world and could it be totally taken out one day via a new world order scheme?
How many people in China again? then Russia then the middle East who lack basic rights the west has employed?

[edit on 25-9-2006 by The time lord]

Originally posted by estar
Your seriously deluded about the Chinese communist goverment, the gulf between rich and poor in China is massive.

The communist regime has a shocking human rights record with forced abortions, they arrest, kill anyone who opposes them just see what they do to farmers who revolt. They have execution vans that go round murdering people, they execute political prisoners and use there organs for transplants to make money. They have even made there own google to stop people learning from whats really going on.

You should use this site Truth in China if you want to see whats going on in China and its not the perfect country you make out far from it!

that's another website posted by FalunGong organization.

Originally posted by tkmelb

I think it is you who has to put aside your naivity and research what really happened in china under Mao. Your loyalty to this monster astounds and dismays me.

No, I am not loy to Mao, I DO NOT like him(read my reply carefully, you totally misread my previous post). chinese ppl respect him for how he has defeat the Nationalist and funded PRC, but NO body liked how he did after that

Chinese Government DOES NOT EQUAL to Mao, they are two different concepts, but connected.

MAO has no military ranking and isn't the leader of government, he was the HEAD of the COMMUNIST PARTY during the 50's-70's and what was it. But he was the most SYMBOLIC figure during that time and overshadow everything else.

the PRESIDENT at that time was LIUSHAOQI, and the chairman of PLA is ZHUDE

the Cultural Revolution that you are talking about started in 60's by the GANG OF FOUR, one of the member of the four ppl is Mao's wife. they used Mao's symbolic image to control ppl's mind, and use them to overthrough the government. they emphasize that the country should be run by young ppl instead of by government.
and china went to a period of madness. the cultural revolution ended in the late 70's by the death of Mao. as the death of this symbolic figure, the Gang of Four quickly lost their power, and the next generation of chinese government lead by Dengxiaoping quickly gain back the government's power, and ppl started to wake up for cultural revolution brain wash.

PS. I am a Canadian, I'm just trying to teach you history here. If you still don't understand, than you start by looking at the key terms I wrote in capital letters.

[edit on 9/25/2006 by warset]

Originally posted by warset

Warset do not waste time teaching white trash history

Originally posted by JADESTONE

Originally posted by warset

Warset do not waste time teaching white trash history

White Trash??????

Gee how articulate you are. Thank you so much for adding to this discussion, no i really mean it, your contribution it totally 5 star. Keep up the good work you are a total credit to ATS, in fact why you are not spoken of in the same light as the Three Amigos is a travesty, which I will personally endeavour to correct.

for Jadestone, ATS poster of the year!!!!!


Warset I will do more research into this matter, thank you for your civil and intelligent approach to discussions

Originally posted by tkmelb


Sorry about that but thats the truth, All the people here from Western civilization have a superiour feeling and look down on other culture and system.
Mao was a bad planner , most of the people who died under his rule was because of starvation as he mismanaged the ecomomy.

I guess no culture is perfect so we should not look down on others, in Australia aborginal cuture was destroyed because you thought that they were uncultured, but think who is more cultured one who distroyes others or one who live in peace even if they are not clothed.

for Jadestone, ATS poster of the year!!!!!

as for the poster its Gernimo; the greatest native american warrior and yea We are proud of him , he never gave up and fought for freedom.