Why I cannot believe a 757 hit the Pentagon

1. I cannot believe what catscratcher posted and I wonder why he posted such a lie.
2. Planes do not turn to a liquid and turn back to metal?
3. Why was he allowed to post such a lie.
4. Why is it when people seek the truth we are considered conspiracy nuts.
5. What evidence does the government have that a 757 hit the pentagon, it has not evidence a 757 hit the pentagon.
6. aviation-safety.net... this site shows photo site crashes of planes all the way back to 1943. It also show the 911 planes however it also seems to hold the official line of what happened that day. You can read the reports and compare them to the latest information.
But there is absolutely no evidence that shows that a 757 repeat a 757 hit the pentagon on sept 11 2001.
7. Are many of the so called 911 movements really paid government misinformation specialists. Why are there so many forums, web sites and that also includes official sites. Even in death 911 is still a money maker yet there is no solid core movement. A thousand cutting at the branches of 911 is less then the one cutting at the roots of 911.
8. There is so much stupid information being researched, but none researching who the people were that would have reason and the means to do 911.
9. Hitler got his germany by a fire and someone got the world on 911 by a plane that turned to a liquid.

Originally posted by mondegreen

1. I cannot believe what catscratcher posted and I wonder why he posted such a lie.

His name is Catherder, and he posted a wonderful and powerful debunk to the "no 757" theories based on actual science.

2. Planes do not turn to a liquid and turn back to metal?

Um, no, unless they are terminator planes. Or, sujbjected to high heat, they melt, then cool and solidify.

3. Why was he allowed to post such a lie.

Because it is not a lie, thats why. It is a very sound theory. One could say that the No Plane Theory is a lie, generated by the CIA.

4. Why is it when people seek the truth we are considered conspiracy nuts.

They are only considered conspiracy nuts when they support and cling to far out theories that have little or no basis in science, logic, or reality. Then they are no longer seeking truth, they are holding onto one single version of events without looking at the whole picture.

5. What evidence does the government have that a 757 hit the pentagon, it has not evidence a 757 hit the pentagon.

Well, its not just the government. Many 9/11 truth seekers believe a plane, flight 77, hit the pentagon. The basis for this is airplane wreckage that rescuers found at the crash, bodies, eyewitness accounts from numerous non military people, and evidence found around the scene.

6. aviation-safety.net... this site shows photo site crashes of planes all the way back to 1943. It also show the 911 planes however it also seems to hold the official line of what happened that day. You can read the reports and compare them to the latest information.

What does this have to do with 9/11? None of these planes in those crash photos were going 400 miles an hour and crashed into a heavily fortified concrete blast resistant wall.

[quote]But there is absolutely no evidence that shows that a 757 repeat a 757 hit the pentagon on sept 11 2001.

Yes there is. Loads of it. There is no evidence that a 757 did not hit the pentagon either.

7. Are many of the so called 911 movements really paid government misinformation specialists.

Im sure some are. Like the ones who claim missiles or drones slammed into the pentagon. That theory stinks of disinformation.

[url]http://911research.com/essays/pentagontrap.html

8. There is so much stupid information being researched, but none researching who the people were that would have reason and the means to do 911.

There is alot of stupid research on 9/11. There is also tons of research out there that leads directly to the perpetrators, and loads of debate over who was really responsible.

9. Hitler got his germany by a fire and someone got the world on 911 by a plane that turned to a liquid.

Seeing how only junk science theories claim that flight 77 turned to liquid, you basis is weak. And it was more than the pentagon that caused the war on terror. The powers that be gained their free pass to do whatever they wanted because of New York. There is far more evidence for the WTC collapse being due to demollition than there is of no plane hitting the pentagon.


Why I believe flight 77 did hit the pentagon:

1. Thousands of unrelated eyewitnesses on the freeways and in the cities saw it.
2. Damage and debris at the site is consistant with such an event.
3. The no 757 theory smacks of disinformation to try and ruin or discredit the 9/11 truth research movement. The endless circle of debate does nothing to forward the progress of getting to the bottom of things.


And before you go ranting on, I happen to believe the US and possibly Israeli governments were involved signifigantly in the attacks of 9/11. There is ample evidence that they were involved in a signifigant way, from terrorist training to NORAD standowns and the WTC demolitions.

I simply do not buy the no 757 theory because there is no credible evidence for it, and I do not buy any ol conspiracy theory unless it has decent evidence and research behind it.

As Skadi the Evil Elf already replied you, just a quick note here...

Originally posted by mondegreen
2. Planes do not turn to a liquid and turn back to metal?

In Catherder's thread it is stated roughly that "plane disintegrated and the cloud of debric acted as liquid". That doesn't mean it WAS liquid. But it consisted of a large amount of solid pieces which, globally, will act as liquid as it lacks already structural integrity to act as one solid object. If you'll look at specific parts, they'll act as solid objects, which they are, but the cloud itself would act as liquid. As would say sand cloud in a sandstorm.

I'm no physicist but I think certain materials will behave as liquids at the given velocities, or when extreme amounts of energy are being exerted on them. I don't think this means there is a change on a molecular level, from solid characteristics to liquid characteristics, but just that, say, a long tube of thin aluminum will give way like a liquid when it's being slammed into a reinforced wall at hundreds of miles per hour. It just won't stay so rigid against so much energy.

[edit on 27-8-2006 by bsbray11]

1. BsBray11 says he thinks a metal will act like a liquid at given velocities, I feel that maybe you have some science studies to account for this bsbray11 and if so can you post them. For matter to change it properties to a different form it must undergo a change such as electron swapping or atom positioning.]
2. Tuccy stated that catherder "plane disintegrated and the cloud of debric acted as liquid"', What is acted like a liquid mean, does it mean it is a liquid or li looks like a liquid or it has properties like a liquid. Sorry, but there is no scientific basis or background for catscratchers remarks to be taken as real or with any serious
person to believe this ever occured because it could never happen.
3. evil elf states catscratcher posted a wonderful and powerful debunk to the "no 757" theories based on actual science. I would like to know what science book he or she or is that you obtain that information from as to be scientific, ha ha!
What the hek is a terminator plane?
Evil Elf states catheader posted a very sound theory, yet it is just a theory. With no repeat no scientifc application to followup to, evey picture of metal is look here part of the engine, or blue cloth has to be a seat of the 757, yet we still have no certified documents that a 757-223 hit the building. For gosh sakes, catscratcher is making things up to write a story, no proof what so ever except that something hit and burned the pentagon, now thats a fact.
evil elf states that there is also tons of research out there that leads directly to the perpetrators, and loads of debate over who was really responsible. Yet why not post their names and who they are, surely the US Government did not do this, the US government is a corporation run by people. If you know who did this I would like for you to post their names here.
Evil elf out does himself, I stated there was no evidence showing a 757 hitting the pentagon, evil elfs comeback was, Yes there is. Loads of it. There is no evidence that a 757 did not hit the pentagon either. This last part is a common cointelpro specialist scrubbing the evidence with misinformation to develop confusion, why should they support someone posting false information without valid eveidence of flight 77.

Why I believe flight 77 did hit the pentagon:

1. Thousands of unrelated eyewitnesses on the freeways and in the cities saw it.
2. Damage and debris at the site is consistant with such an event.
3. The no 757 theory smacks of disinformation to try and ruin or discredit the 9/11 truth research movement. The endless circle of debate does nothing to forward the progress of getting to the bottom of things

Your 1 evil elf you stated that thousands of eyewitnesses on the freeways and in the cities saw it. What did they see evil elf was it something going 420 to 480 mph rather like a noise and a blur.
2. You stated there was damage and debris is consistant with such an event. Just what eveent was that evil elf, a bomb can do the same thing, sure a global hawk can do the same thing also, but where is your scientific studies to back up what your stating. Words are cheap on the internet post a fbi site, a NTSB site, a pentagon site that cross referenced the serial nbrs of the parts of the plane of flight 77 to the items you and catscratcher states are proof of the 757 flight 77 hitting the pentagon on 911.
3. You state with no scientific or studies of any kind that stating a 757 did not hit the pentagon is hurting the 911 movement, which movement is that evil elf, the movement controlled by the government or the one controlled by groups of people.
Put simply, people say don't question the president or our leaders because it underminds the war on terror. Yet, the ones that have questioned have brought forth answers that have helped the movement. The world is not black or white but it is very complex, I am sorry if you feel different then myself. Its your right to do so, and I respect you for that.