Verichips wants to chip every U.S Solider

Even so the the verichip is one of many concepts in place that will upgrade and change format and use, but the idea will always be to control or barcode the human body in some form.

In Spainish night clubs they actulally use a microchip inplant that is used to scan people who pay via this system. Its not just about veri-Chip its about marking people in the first place and usually it invoves some numeric system anyway to keep us in tack.

One thing may lead to another and military technology and concepts always do it before they become marketed for the rest of us. Its the idea that this may progress to society if its a big hit with the the military, its it can help soldiers in some way why not in helping society. Its taken place everywhere in fact even children. Don't forget Dog tags too inder their necks. Criminals also have been tagged.

Would you like to be tagged up?
That is the moral issue also, Bible Prophecy or not. But if its right then I see that we for the fist time in man's history fullfiling this, it could just be trend that makes us fall into the real mark of the beast when it arrives.
How can this not be important unless people are blind to it? You know our rights are being takien away from world terrorism why would the governments make these chips and ID schemes an important issue if we are really a free westen society, something is going on.

[edit on 15-9-2006 by The time lord]

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
A true number 6 would equal "0101111" for the odd parity. Which is White-Black-White-Black-Black-Black-Black. For even parity it is 1010000. Which is Black-White-Black-White-White-White-White.

Thanks for that.

I've seen discussions about whether it is or isn't the mark of the beast before, but that makes the case against in a very clear and simple way that even I can understand.

Cheers.

Originally posted by BentBucket
Mark = etch , brand, tatoo and further investigation of the root words also means split. So the Verichip could be the mark.

Read your Bible. The mark of the beast is going to be a symbol of one's allegiance to the anti-Christ, and will be worn with pride.

The chipping thing makes me uncomfortable due to its potential for abuse, but it's not the mark. You don't wear a chip under your skin with pride.

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
..A true number 6 would equal "0101111" for the odd parity. Which is White-Black-White-Black-Black-Black-Black. For even parity it is 1010000. Which is Black-White-Black-White-White-White-White..

While the current barcoding system operates on the binary system, where a white space =0 and a black bar=1; the new RFID chips will be designed use a universal hexadecimal system. This is where the significance of the '666' comes in.

The chips will be designed to be compliant with a Universal Electronic Product Code network standard, so enabling the chips to be read by scanners of different makes, and other related hardware and software, all adhering to the same format standard. The current hexadecimal standard for a 'product' would look something like this:
i47.photobucket.com...
image source (pdf file, page 6)
Three unique hexadecimal codes would identify 1) manufacturer/owner 2) product/object class 3) serial number.

Three data fields, and Hex- meaning six, gives you 666

(edit to fix image link)

[edit on 15-9-2006 by timski]

Originally posted by 7th_Chakra
So you see, later on down the line cash will become pointless and biometrics and Chip implants will combine into one complete form of I.D. I hope this has been educational for you.

[edit on 15-9-2006 by 7th_Chakra]

Chakra, there is no doubt in my mind this can be used to pay for stuff. BUT, IT WILL NEVER REPLACE PHYSICAL MONEY. Also, many people have multiple bank accounts, and multiple credit cards... your telling me people will get multiple chip implants for this?
What happens when you need to pay with a certain credit card, but scanners are having trouble reading a certain chip, because you have multiple ones installed? What are you going to do have a different chip in different body parts? Oh wait.. I forgot, my VISA is in my ass. My Master Card is in thigh. My American Express is in my elbow. ITS NO PRACTICAL. Maybe its practical for someone who never seems to carry physical money, but to completely replace it? No chance in hell.

What happens when these bank accounts and credit cards are closed and cancelled?

It's just a dumb idea.

Read the Bible.. you are lost..

Originally posted by The time lord
Even so the the verichip is one of many concepts in place that will upgrade and change format and use, but the idea will always be to control or barcode the human body in some form.

In Spainish night clubs they actulally use a microchip inplant that is used to scan people who pay via this system. Its not just about veri-Chip its about marking people in the first place and usually it invoves some numeric system anyway to keep us in tack.

One thing may lead to another and military technology and concepts always do it before they become marketed for the rest of us. Its the idea that this may progress to society if its a big hit with the the military, its it can help soldiers in some way why not in helping society. Its taken place everywhere in fact even children. Don't forget Dog tags too inder their necks. Criminals also have been tagged.

Would you like to be tagged up?
That is the moral issue also, Bible Prophecy or not. But if its right then I see that we for the fist time in man's history fullfiling this, it could just be trend that makes us fall into the real mark of the beast when it arrives.
How can this not be important unless people are blind to it? You know our rights are being takien away from world terrorism why would the governments make these chips and ID schemes an important issue if we are really a free westen society, something is going on.

[edit on 15-9-2006 by The time lord]

I hate to break it to you, but you have been tagged since birth. Nothing new. Everyone has their uniqe number. I have a few of them. My drivers license number, my social security number.... my car has its own number! So does my house! Wow...

With regard to the RFID tagging of US soldiers, I can see a new breed of 'autonomous-target-specific' IEDs being used by future insurgents.
If the enemy knows that a captured soldier will be carrying a specific frequency-band ID chip, it would be fairly simple to capture and hack the arm off a soldier, pack into a signal-proof bag and ship off to the rear-line workshop to determine the transponder frequency, and then design and build IED/mines equipped with transmitters designed to trigger the RFID transponder when within a 10-15 meter radius of the device and then detonate, guaranteeing a kill, rather than have stooges on street corners armed with mobile-phone triggered detonators

Originally posted by timski
While the current barcoding system operates on the binary system, where a white space =0 and a black bar=1; the new RFID chips will be designed use a universal hexadecimal system. This is where the significance of the '666' comes in.

Actually its not the official binary system. It is a unique version of a binary style of 1's and 0's. In binary code equivalent to the number 6 would be 00110110, or 0110, or just 110.

Bar code
Binary code

two different codes.

Originally posted by timski
The chips will be designed to be compliant with a Universal Electronic Product Code network standard, so enabling the chips to be read by scanners of different makes, and other related hardware and software, all adhering to the same format standard. The current hexadecimal standard for a 'product' would look something like this:
i47.photobucket.com...
image source (pdf file, page 6)
Three unique hexadecimal codes would identify 1) manufacturer/owner 2) product/object class 3) serial number.

Three data fields, and Hex- meaning six, gives you 666

LOL, wow you really stretched that one out didn't you... According to your links there is not "Three data fields" there is FOUR. So that would be 6666.


Even then, calling it "hex" is the lazy way of calling it the real name "hexadecimal".
Hexadecimal got its name because it is a base 16 format that uses only 16 different characters. 0 through 9 and A through F.

0123456789ABCDEF

It was first called sexadecimal, but they changed it to hexadecimal because obviously SEXadecimal was just, unprofessional.

Base 16. Coined in the early 1950s to replace earlier sexadecimal, which was too racy and amusing for stuffy IBM, and later adopted by the rest of the industry.

Actually, neither term is etymologically pure. If we take binary to be paradigmatic, the most etymologically correct term for base 10, for example, is ‘denary’, which comes from ‘deni’ (ten at a time, ten each), a Latin distributive number; the corresponding term for base-16 would be something like ‘sendenary’. “Decimal” comes from the combining root of decem, Latin for 10. If wish to create a truly analogous word for base 16, we should start with sedecim, Latin for 16. Ergo, sedecimal is the word that would have been created by a Latin scholar. The ‘sexa-’ prefix is Latin but incorrect in this context, and ‘hexa-’ is Greek. The word octal is similarly incorrect; a correct form would be ‘octaval’ (to go with decimal), or ‘octonary’ (to go with binary). If anyone ever implements a base-3 computer, computer scientists will be faced with the unprecedented dilemma of a choice between two correct forms; both ternary and trinary have a claim to this throne.

So, close but no cigar.

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Also, many people have multiple bank accounts, and multiple credit cards... your telling me people will get multiple chip implants for this?

Maybe just an option of what account to use. Simple.

Read the Bible.. you are lost..

Nah thanks. I know my way home......

Take care, good debate.

[edit on 15-9-2006 by 7th_Chakra]

Originally posted by LAES YVANSo, close but no cigar.

But isn't that why we're all here...to all put our tupp'ney worth into the mix?
Think monkeys, typewriters, and Shakespear...if we all keep brainstorming, it's only a matter of time before someone hits the nail on the head!

Originally posted by timski
With regard to the RFID tagging of US soldiers, I can see a new breed of 'autonomous-target-specific' IEDs being used by future insurgents.
If the enemy knows that a captured soldier will be carrying a specific frequency-band ID chip, it would be fairly simple to capture and hack the arm off a soldier, pack into a signal-proof bag and ship off to the rear-line workshop to determine the transponder frequency, and then design and build IED/mines equipped with transmitters designed to trigger the RFID transponder when within a 10-15 meter radius of the device and then detonate, guaranteeing a kill, rather than have stooges on street corners armed with mobile-phone triggered detonators

That is a joke... You are saying its "fairly simple" to;

1)capture a soldier carrying a RFID

2)hack off his arm and pack it into a signal-proof bag

3)determine the frequency

and here is the most simple part...

4) design and build an improvised explosive device equipped with transmitters designed to trigger RFID tags in a distance of 10 to 15 meters. LMAO!

Here is the main flaw in your fantasy invention... The RFID tags are NOT powerful enough to emit a signal past 16 inches. Even if you some how can trigger and give power to the device further than 16 inches, the device will be active, but it will not have a strong enough signal to be detected at that distance..

This is how it works.... the scanner sends power to the RFID, and the RFID send a signal back to the scanner. If you are a genius you can find a way to send the power at large distances, but unless you modify the RFID tag with a bigger antennae, it will not be able to send a signal back at a large distance...

Hey Laes,
I hope my brainstorming session gave you a good chuckle...but remember, for every bag-full of nutty ideas an inventor has, you'll often find a wee gem...Barnes-Wallis was thought of as a fruitcake with his bouncing bombs until the impregnable Ruhr dam blew up!


[edit on 15-9-2006 by timski]

The funny thing about the mark of the beast and the number of the beast is that it (at least the number) was simply a code used back in Biblical times to spell out a name. Each letter of the Hebrew alphabet corresponds to a number; using this code, the number 666 simply refers to the Roman emporer Nero.

The letters in Revalations used this code so the writer(s) would not wind up dead or worse for saying negative things about Nero. As far as the mark goes, I've never seen any explanation of what that might have referred to in ancient times - in that low tech day and age I suppose it could have been a tattoo of some kind.

As for microchips, it would be a cold day in hell before I'd ever want to have one, but that's just me - I'm no Luddite but I do view certain new technologies with suspicion.

Originally posted by Astygia

Originally posted by BentBucket
Mark = etch , brand, tatoo and further investigation of the root words also means split. So the Verichip could be the mark.

Read your Bible. The mark of the beast is going to be a symbol of one's allegiance to the anti-Christ, and will be worn with pride.

The chipping thing makes me uncomfortable due to its potential for abuse, but it's not the mark. You don't wear a chip under your skin with pride.

Let's go back to the TRANSLATION of the word and stick to that. You keep trying to make it fit into the Jehovas Witness and SDA belief system.

The Verichip might NOT be the mark in its current form but its evolving technology and it patented.

So what do YOU think the mark is and let it fit into the translation of the word rather than what you have heard from men

Originally posted by BentBucket
Let's go back to the TRANSLATION of the word and stick to that. You keep trying to make it fit into the Jehovas Witness and SDA belief system.

The Verichip might NOT be the mark in its current form but its evolving technology and it patented.

So what do YOU think the mark is and let it fit into the translation of the word rather than what you have heard from men

No, I'm making it fit into what the Bible says it is, which is the only context one should take in Biblical prophecy.

Again, as it says in the bible, the mark will be a symbol of allegiance to the anti-Christ, because it will be the number of his name. It will be worn with pride. Tell me again, how we can wear a microchip with pride?

Tell me, what you think the mark is, and let it fit the Biblical translation of what it will be, not what you've heard from websites.

[edit on 18-9-2006 by Astygia]

The verichip is the end to mankind....
The number 666 represents man because it falls short of god perfect number which is 7, which shows human imperfection. It also represents man trying to be god. It is a fact that the verichip caused fast growing malignant tumors and cancer in lab animals, even some people have developed painful sores as an allergic reaction. The bible says Revelations 16:2 and the first went and poured out his vial upon the earth and there fell a sore and grievous wound upon men who had the character of the beast: and upon them that adored the image thereof. Some of the prophecies revealed in the bible are coming true all to fast. The bible goes on saying that there is no redemption from the mark and not to give in to temptation. Revelations 14:9 If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath: and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb etc.
Do you honestly want to take that chance and damn your soul?
The verichip is suppose to be of great assistance in the medical field for patient identification, infant protection, wander prevention, and asset tracking. It is also moving fast towards replacing money, debit, and credit cards for transacting business.
Right hand and forehead...... Dont forget...

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It certainly could be the mark of the beast. Consider it's features. No one can buy or sell unless they have the mark. Just like embedded chips in credit cards for point of sales transactions wouldn't it be convenient to have your credit card embedded in your body? We note that the mark contains the number of the beast or antichrists name and this number is 666. So the mark can hold numbers. Isn't that what chips do?

By the way there was a recent study that shows that bio-chips cause cancer. Even worse they have used implants to control animal subjects. They can alter moods with these chips. I think they will be used to force obedience and perhaps to sear the consciences of the marked so that they will be able to commit atrocities. They'll need marked drones to kill christians and jews.

Originally posted by SkipShipman
Ask anyone in the military what music predominates?

Country, right?

Okay that means Bible belt, right?

"Mark of the beast," things such as "verichip," are not going to be welcome.

[edit on 26-8-2006 by SkipShipman]

Not at this base. It is hip hop complete w/ the "N" word. Uck!! LOL


My husband is active duty, and this doesnt bother him. They already have his SSN and DNA and we live a pretty happy normal life - so far. LOL

I suppose if people are really bothered by this, then they dont have to be in the military. Either they do their time and get out. Or just dont join

The bible is going to become true. The mark of the beast was to be worn in the forehead or the right hand (arm).

Anyone think the US soldiers will have any choice in this matter? Or are they just property, much like cows, that the government does what it will with?

Not that I think they even know what the bible says or have even heard about this mark of the beast stuff. Its not on Fox News is it?

I didnt know they took the DNA from soldiers though. Guess they want to clone them later...or build cyborgs with them.

Yeah, its unbelievable, but trust me, all you need is the public to get used to cloning and cybernetic stuff and noone will have problems with it. I predict maybe 15 years in the future.



[edit on 4-10-2007 by Copernicus]

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Am I the only one that's more worried about people using the Bible to stop the progress of technology and science, than with the possible faults of this chip? That would truly be unfortunate...

No you are not. I am more afraid of [all] religious extremists then I am of our own government.