If Israel was moved would the conflict stop ?

This is just a hypothesis but i would be very interested to see if Israel was moved would the conflicts in the area stop ?

After all i cannot understand why Israel is not in germany, its not like the Palestinians ever committed any war crimes against the Jews ?. Yet the Palestinians are punished for German crimes

I for one would like to see Israel move to Berlin !!!!!!!!

No it wouldn't. Of course that is a powder keg of the region, it is not the cause of all the problems in the region. Just read this timeline of Western-Iranian relationships:

news.bbc.co.uk...

It is depper than just Israel.

I would have to say yes.

What would the Arabs be fighting over?

As far as I see it, this whole conflict stems from Israel, Think about it: We were on good terms with the Middle East before Israel was created. So thier hatred for us is not a religious one even though it looks like it.

But I guess there would still be the issue over oil. Seeing how we helped put people like Saddam and the Shah in Iran in power so we could get cheap oil.

Originally posted by Mujahid187


What would the Arabs be fighting over?

If Israel was no longer in the picture they would default back to old Suni VS Shiate argeument IMHO, But it just seems to me that Isreal unites all Arabs to a single course.

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Sorry double post.......

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Originally posted by helium3

If Israel was no longer in the picture they would default back to old Suni VS Shiate argeument IMHO, But it just seems to me that Isreal unites all Arabs to a single course.

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Helium,
With this you are correct, so exspand on it a bit. I does not matter where Isreal is. For the last 30 or 40 years or so, when ever a middle east wanted to gain favor with the other leaders of the middle east, he would always atack Isreal. Most recently from Irac, lebonan, and Iran by proxy. So it does not matter where Isreal is, some world leader who is a little off his rocker will always atack Isreal.

Not really a solution because Jews are tied to that territory and their salvation is prophesied in Israel not Germany. They would not be happy in Germany its not their promised land. If the Arabs had control or Muslims would the west be happy no.
The reason being is that even for Christians its Holy and we have a right to that land to. Anything that is Muslim means non-Muslims are not allowed to entire. That with places like Mecca where non-believers are shut out of for example will also be the same fate to Israel land of Jews and Christians. Its not Just Arab territory and that they will not share once they get hold of it. Israel was highjacked by the Romans then it get trashed in AD70 and then the Muslims took over and built on TEMPLE MOUNT a shrine. Prophecy suggests that the Messiah and Jesus to the Bible will show up when a third temple is Built on Temple Mount. Remember its called Temple Mount before Mosques were invented and evil forces will do anything to stop the promise and delay it. Hence why even the Christians should defend Israel, it has fulfilled one promise already, as the nation of Israel should rise again at the end times. Muslims can think the Jews were punished for their ways for trying to take over Germany and it was their fault. Some Christians see that the WW2 punishment was for ignoring God's word and abandoning Isreal, which was a deal made with God, and ignoring scripture. Yes the two are the same as each other if the Arabs accuse the Jews for wanting to change things as they do to.

Even though the world attention is for Israel Muslims always want independence once its gets enough power, they will act as victims to start of with when the numbers are low and then over throw anyone that does not fit into Islamic law once it reaches a percentage. A true Muslim is one that lives by its law and go to its fundamentals. That is why there are so many problems in Muslim populated areas because they will not accept anyone else’s ways, and when they gain power they strike the Infidels. Just look at Muslim borders, why do they make such a fuss, Chechnya, Russia, , Philippians, Bosnia, yes some are victims but its about wanting to split in the first place.
www.religioustolerance.org...

Even British schools had problems with head dress for example, if that is such a big issue imagine why nations laws that don't suite how it effect them (WAR). Who is intolerant? Even democracy does not work, the Muslim system does not fit anywhere but its self and hence war and more wars and terror attacks. Not saying war in Iraq is just but maybe it could help rid of some stubborn old ways and open doors where other people from other faiths are allowed in Middle East countries without being treated as second class. Hope it makes sense its a big issue and a lot more can be said if I am bothered tonight.
No if Israel becomes Palestine again it will only grow to Europe and the Muslim empire will want Europe next and more will begin as the world domination of Islam is their task at hand also.

Originally posted by The time lord
Not really a solution because Jews are tied to that territory and their salvation is prophesied in Israel not Germany. They would not be happy in Germany its not their promised land.

And you think the Palestinians are happy being treated like some sub-human race ?. I cannot believe how blind eveyone is to Zionists brainwashing do you believe everything your told ?.
Ok lets talk about prophecies for a moment:

God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6)

Then this

and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17

God promises to make Isaac's descendents as numerous as "the stars of heaven", which, of course, never happened. The Jews have always been, and will always be, a small minority. 26:4

God promises to cast out seven nations including the Amorites, Canaanites, and the Jebusites. But he was unable to fulfill his promise. 7:1

There's just a few false or broken prophecies, so why should whats prophesied about the Jews be any different ?. Not to mention how many people have lost there land in war ?, then had it returned to them .

Exactly they were commands to get rid of the Palestine during KING David's time, the very reason they are a problem today is because he did not do it, so history repeats its self and someday it will be fulfilled as Revelations. the very reasons why things have not happened yet is because the Jews have been ignornat of scripture and promises.

Yes some prophecies have not been fulfilled yet as some will happen during the time Jesus arrives and the new Israel sent by God after the realisation of accepting Jesus as the king of the Jews. It did not happen 2000 years ago and the 7,000 year prophecy span is being filled as the Jewish 7 candle stick holder represent 7,000 years of man and Jesus the centre was at 4,000 years in world history, plus the 1000 years of Christ’s reign on earth after the Tribulation, we are at around 6,000 but God decided during the old testament that something like 30-40 years was not personally counted by him for man to be judged by as they were empty years for the Jews and this is noted in the Bible.

The Jews will multiply but when they realise the path they must take, this involves present Israel, a new temple occupied right now and also from a Christian view accept Christ, plus all the other signs that lead to this peak in time.


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Drop radioactive materials all over Jerusalem. Nobody would want it then and everyone will want to leave!

Originally posted by Mujahid187
What would the Arabs be fighting over?

Oh, I don't know maybe Spain, you know it is in Infidel hands now.
As for the notion of putting Israel in Germany or somewhere else, there is a historical background of the biblical Israel being in the area up until Rome took care of that. It's not like the area was picked with a dartboard.

Besides we would have the GLO (German Liberation Organization) fighting for their homeland instead.

Prophecy that states a future threat towards Israel will be dealt with directly by God, the whole nations of the earth will be deceived in thinking that Israel is the enemy as yet this is how Jesus was treated if you can see the reflection from one man to nation in description.

Persia as in today’s Iran will be a threat to Israel during the end times and God will deal with it him self. Babylon Iraq is also mentioned; some people think it means nations some think it means just that a nation as it has always been called. So as you see the actors have been auditioned for the stage and the predictions waiting to take the opening time.
There could be a delay but the hate will remain in generations to come and at some point erupt once more.

Through Israel God will bless the nations that support it, so far America has and by a long way it is blessed compared to the Middle east countries that don't support it.
When America put a blind eye to Israel disasters strike like Katrina when the Jews had to leave their homes. There is a book that was written before this event called EYE TO EYE where America suffers disasters when turning its back on Israel and last year it did just that. Maybe this year with the London bomb threats this was even was prevented because they actually cared for Israel enough to want to stop the Lebanon war. Sometimes God can prevent things you just got to see it from a big scale a national one.


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Time lord if "god" liked Israel so much, why isn't it the richest most powerful nation in the world? It has to depend on the US. Please do not bring religious none-sense into a mature discussion

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
Drop radioactive materials all over Jerusalem.

There already is.

Israel has been dumping nuclear waste in the West Bank for years, the PNA has discovered hundreds of barrels in the north of the West Bank. But i guess this is just all make believe because Dimona is not nuclear facility.

Being the a strict atheist its even down right disgracful to me that Israel is turing the birth place of Jesus christ into a vast toxic wasteland.




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Time lord,

If Israel is so chosen by all these prophecies why do they rely on sucking billions from the US tax payer ?.

You think God would have blessed Israel with vast amounts of valuable natural resources ?

In an attempt not to provide a single lined post, yet answer the binary question as posed. I would have to answer:

NOPE.

mg

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
Time lord if "god" liked Israel so much, why isn't it the richest most powerful nation in the world?

because you are not aware of the prophecy of the new kingdom of Israel.

Also the word "Jew" is NOT synonimous with "Israelite"....two different things...


My suggestion is that we turn the area around jerusalem, gallilee, Nazareth, and bethlehem and all other religous significant sites into a sort of "neutral zone"

No government may claim ownership of it and all pilgrims are welcome...that would make many people happy.

God is a ..... if he have a chosen people. I don't believe in God, I don't believe in that crap of propheties, I don't believe in the promised land. Zionists are as crazy as muslims extremists, that's it. They aren't moderate, they are crazy. They believe that this is their chosen land, this is completly crazy, it isn't based on ANYTHING just an old stupid book. This is just plain stupid. People die for a stupid book, zionists are just crazy.

That's it, I just hate zionists as I hate muslims extremists, they are at the same stupidity level.

Do you care when a terrorist blow himself or is kill by a police officer? No? I feel the same for a zionist.


XPhiles Phan: Great idea but it would be hard to maintain a peace in the region even if they did in the 1000s.

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Originally posted by XphilesPhan

My suggestion is that we turn the area around jerusalem, gallilee, Nazareth, and bethlehem and all other religous significant sites into a sort of "neutral zone"

No government may claim ownership of it and all pilgrims are welcome...that would make many people happy.

Id vote for that idea then all faiths can enjoy the land theorically, but in reality i have serious doubts if that would work

If Israel was moved to Germany we would probably see a vast reduction in Middle Eastern antipathy to Israel. I dont think it would be like flicking a switch and the crimes comitted by Israel would be forgotten by those who've lost loved ones or their land/houses though.

But as far as "the conflict" ending in the Middle East, not a chance. The Middle East conflict doesnt stem from the creation of Israel, it stems from the division of the Middle East following WW1.

Take Iraq for example, it did not exist until the end of WW1. Then the British drew up the borders of a newly created Iraq. The way the borders were constructed ensured Britain could monopolize the majority of known Middle Eastern oil fields. The borders also deliberately lumped three ethnic groups together to ensure Iraq's rulers dependance on Britain to maintain order.

The fact is that Israel is just another example of Western intereference and manipulation for dominance over the entire Middle East and it's wealth. Israel was set up in the Middle East so that a Western vassal state could be used to control the area. I am convinced that Western "remorse" and "guilt" over what happend to the Jews during the Holocaust were mere platitudes. Afterall the Balfour Declaration preceeded the Holocaust by over 20 years.

The Middle East is a mess and always will be because of it's strategic importance to us greedy Westerners.