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Originally posted by Aim64C
I beleive all of these points have been debunked before.
Firstoff - if you have much real-world experience - you'll know that...
47 core columns? Do you know how the WTC buildings 1,2, and 7 were constructed? They were steel supported concrete shafts up the center, surrounded by a steel-mesh exterior 'cage' that is really the key to the design's incredible sturdiness and strength.
Any 'core columns' would have been encased in a few feet of concrete ...
Your third point is also really in ignorance of the whole picture.
Originally posted by Valhall
Originally posted by Aim64C
I beleive all of these points have been debunked before.
Firstoff - if you have much real-world experience - you'll know that...
What you said next didn't necessarily make any "real-world" sense.
47 core columns? Do you know how the WTC buildings 1,2, and 7 were constructed? They were steel supported concrete shafts up the center, surrounded by a steel-mesh exterior 'cage' that is really the key to the design's incredible sturdiness and strength.
Any 'core columns' would have been encased in a few feet of concrete ...
Oops...you just played your hand, and it was the "pair of 2's and I haven't got a clue what I'm talking about" hand. NO...they were not "steel supported concrete shafts up the center" and no they weren't "encased in a few feet of concrete".
Your third point is also really in ignorance of the whole picture.
Actually, it's not, and the rest of your response is so off from the facts, I beg of you to go off, spend a few days just researching what you're attempting to discuss and come back to this thread, because the bad science (from both sides of this argument) has been discussed far too much on this very site for anyone to have to recall them for you.
To solve the problem of wind sway or vibration in the construction of the towers, chief engineer Leslie Robertson took a then unusual approach — instead of bracing the buildings corner-to-corner or using internal walls, the towers were essentially hollow steel tubes surrounding a strong central core. The 208 feet (63.4 m) wide facade was, in effect, a prefabricated steel lattice, with columns on 39 inch (100 cm) centers acting as wind bracing to resist all overturning forces; the central core took the majority of the gravity loads of the building.
Originally posted by Aim64C
I suggest you go do your homework. Engineering is my home turf - and you're going to have to do better than ill executed bluffs to shake me.
Originally posted by Aim64C
Mhmm.... right.... anything new?
Anything specifically relating to what I said.
I've read most of that - and my data is sufficient enough to discredit most of what claims have been made in this forum already.
I've seen nothing but quackery and deception spilling from many of those who uphold the conspiracy theories.
Originally posted by Aim64C
I think that the sheer monumental task of having to arm a building such as the WTC for explosives would be debunking enough.
That combined with the fact that there are much more scientifically sound explainations for the events that take place - would be 'debunking' a 'possible' scenario.
And I have read up - more than many people.
Originally posted by Aim64C
They were steel supported concrete shafts up the center, surrounded by a steel-mesh exterior 'cage' that is really the key to the design's incredible sturdiness and strength. However, no building that large can be designed to sustain a deliberate impact from a kamakazie airliner the size of today's larger airliners.
They were steel supported concrete shafts up the center, surrounded by a steel-mesh exterior 'cage' that is really the key to the design's incredible sturdiness and strength
The core columns, floor trusses, and beams and spandrel plates in the exterior wall were constructed with carbon steels, ranging from 36 to 50 ksi specified yield strength. The exterior columns were designed with various grades of high strength steels, ranging from 55 ksi to 100 ksi yield strength.
Originally posted by esdad71
The explosions in the basement and on the 20 levels were actually jet fuel that shot down the elevator shafts.
Originally posted by esdad71
Also, please be ready to provide the correct info if you want to argue, and not embarrass those of us who try to keep the glvoes on.
Originally posted by esdad71
Remember also, you cannot debunk something that is not true or in itself cannot be proven, therefore life is a journey of conjecture and false gods.
Originally posted by Aim64C
en.wikipedia.org...
I sort of exagerated with several feet of concrete... -
Engineering is my home turf - and you're going to have to do better than ill executed bluffs to shake me.
Originally posted by Aim64C
Firstoff - if you have much real-world experience - you'll know that, durring a large fire, many, MANY things will 'sound like explosions'. One particular case is concrete, itself - air bubbles trapped inside will expand with the increase in temperature and cause, litterally, an explosion - not one caused by pyrotechnicians, but simple laws of nature.
Originally posted by esdad71
... of pounds of torsion stress that will snap and create an ear-shattering pop....
Originally posted by esdad71
Do you know how the WTC buildings 1,2, and 7 were constructed?
Originally posted by esdad71
Any 'core columns' would have been encased in a few feet of concrete.
Originally posted by esdad71
Your third point is also really in ignorance of the whole picture. You have several floors of nearly compromized external steel support.
Originally posted by esdad71
You then have internal steel being heated through the concrete and through the natural conductive properties of the steel - meaning that several floors on both ends of the impact could have reached 600+ degrees, easily. Possibly as many as twenty floors below, steel was reaching 400 degrees.
Originally posted by esdad71
That means that steel heated to 100 degrees is somewhat weaker than steel at 75 degrees.
Originally posted by esdad71
The explosions in the basement and on the 20 levels were actually jet fuel that shot down the elevator shafts. They were reported at first as explosions because no one knew the tower had been hit. If anything, they heard the impact and felt the building shake. It was an instant flashback to 93.
Originally posted by gordonross
The explosions in the basement ...................... were actually jet fuel that shot down the elevator shafts.
Is this today's deliberate mistake thread?
So many, but most have been dealt with.
As regards the one above, only one elevator ran from impact level to basement and there was someone in it at the time, a Mr. Griffith.
Only two others ran from impact to lobby and the testimony of Lieutenat William Walsh tells us that the affected elevators were those which served only the lower storeys.
Gordon.