Israeli Air Terrorism in Lebanon

Recent israeli offensive in Lebanon destroys 15.000 homes. US and associated zionist conglomerates boycott truth on israeli war crimes.


15,000 homes destroyed in Lebanon

BEIRUT, Aug. 20 (MNA) -- A total of 15,000 residential units were destroyed in Lebanon during the Zionist regime’s 33-day assault on the country.
Hezbollah official Naim Bilal told the Mehr News Agency correspondent in Beirut on Sunday, “Some 6,000 residential units in Zahia, 8,000 residential units in the area south of the Litani River, 600 houses in the area just north of the Litani, 300 residential units in the Bekaa region, and 100 residential units in other parts of Lebanon have been completely destroyed.”

Bilal said the Lebanese people have begun the cleanup process, adding, “The operation to remove the rubble will last three to four months. It will take two years to reconstruct the regions damaged during the war.”

He announced that 10 to 12 thousand dollars would be distributed to each family whose home was destroyed in the Zionist regime’s bombardment of Lebanon.

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[edit on 20/8/2006 by Umbrax]

Excuse me?!?!?

Who started this latest round of aggressions? Who fired on residential areas from residential areas? If missiles are fired on residential areas from residential areas then according to international law those that fired the missiles are responsible for the damage. Since it is expected of the defending country to silence those weapons.

My friend your definition of terrorism needs some work.


BTW where is Zahia? I think that he ment Tyre. Regardless these were all location in which Hizbullah held weapon, fired weapons and used as headquarters. Any which way if Hezbullah wants to help they should assist in rebuilding what they destroyed instead of rearming.

FREE LEBANON OF HEZBULLAH FANATICS!

15,000??? Shucks, I thought they did better than that Oh well, there's always next time

The indiscriminate use of 3,300 or so rockets classifies as terrorism.

Intentionally firing sizeable portions of these rockets for civilian area, using civilian structures for militant operations and guerilla tactics in urban areas causing unnecessary civilian casualties during expected retaliation is criminal and Hezbollah the culprit; along with the governemnt of Lebanon as clearly complicit

mg

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Excuse me?!?!?

Who started this latest round of aggressions? Who fired on residential areas from residential areas? If missiles are fired on residential areas from residential areas then according to international law those that fired the missiles are responsible for the damage. Since it is expected of the defending country to silence those weapons.

My friend your definition of terrorism needs some work.

Your timeline is skewed by a great margin. the Soldiers were kidnapped, Hizbollah held a news conference and asked for an exchange of prisoners, Israeli knesset met and made the decision to attack Lebanon, they killed 40 people in the first round of bombings in residential areas and destroyed civilian infrastructure. That is when Hizbollah began attacking Israel. Hizbollah kept saying when Israel would cease bombing Lebanon they would too and Israel kept bombing.There was never concern for Israeli citizens by Israel and no concern for Lebanese citizens by Israel. There was never any concern for the kidnapped soldiers at any point in time on behalf of Israel. It was a sham.

His definition of Terror matches that of most of the world right now. Israel has been and is a great leader not in the war on terror but a war of terror. Just ask the Palestinians who have been on the recieving end for years.

Peoples memories are not so short that they can be fooled so easily. They saw the face behind the mask Israel likes so much to wear .

Originally posted by ThePieMaN


Your timeline is skewed by a great margin. the Soldiers were kidnapped, Hizbollah held a news conference and asked for an exchange of prisoners, Israeli knesset met and made the decision to attack Lebanon, they killed 40 people in the first round of bombings in residential areas and destroyed civilian infrastructure. That is when Hizbollah began attacking Israel. Hizbollah kept saying when Israel would cease bombing Lebanon they would too and Israel kept bombing.There was never concern for Israeli citizens by Israel and no concern for Lebanese citizens by Israel. There was never any concern for the kidnapped soldiers at any point in time on behalf of Israel. It was a sham.

His definition of Terror matches that of most of the world right now. Israel has been and is a great leader not in the war on terror but a war of terror. Just ask the Palestinians who have been on the recieving end for years.

Peoples memories are not so short that they can be fooled so easily. They saw the face behind the mask Israel likes so much to wear .

Western countries do not negotiate with terrorists. Hizbollah thought that kidnapping a few soldiers would get them a seat at the negotiating table to get back some of their key jailed terrorist brothers, but their plan backfired and they got bombed for their trouble.

The Palestinians give back way more than they get with regards to terrorism so they are both just as bad on that front. Let's not forget that and make us all laugh when you insinuate that they are just some poor downtrodden settlers being taken advantage of by the evil Israelis.

Israel has never worn a mask. They have always let it known loud and clear that if they are attacked or threatened that they will answer that attack or threat with powerful force.

Originally posted by Escrotumus

Hizbollah thought that kidnapping a few soldiers would get them a seat at the negotiating table to get back some of their key jailed terrorist brothers, but their plan backfired and they got bombed for their trouble.

The Palestinians give back way more than they get with regards to terrorism so they are both just as bad on that front. Let's not forget that and make us all laugh when you insinuate that they are just some poor downtrodden settlers being taken advantage of by the evil Israelis.

Israel has never worn a mask. They have always let it known loud and clear that if they are attacked or threatened that they will answer that attack or threat with powerful force.

I'd like to correct you, Hizbolla did not get bombed, Lebanon and its civilians got bombed. It was by chance that maybe they had gotten a few Hizbollah soldiers but the majority were civilians and not in the same missions. They knew the differences between Hizbollah positions and civilian positions.

Palestinians are not settlers, they are not squatters, they are inhabitants of that land. It is the europeans and americans that went there that are the illegal settlers and squatters on lands that do not belong to them. The evil Israels as you put it is a justified term. Thievery of property is not exactly a good deed.


Maybe you'd like to believe or have everyone else believe that Israel wears no mask but if this were the case they would not need to spend millions upon millions for media and PR Image services as well as to aquire the help of students in order to skew polls and insert propaganda into forums and bulletin boards that discuss Israel using a specialized software. If someone has to artificially change something then its not the truth. Sites like MEMRI and CAMERA are specific to this task of changing history to make it appear that Israel was always righteous or justified using wordplay and agressive tactics under the guise of being sites that promote a fair and balanced reporting in the Middle East. Their only intention is to balance it in favor of Israel and nothing else. Your statement of Israel being maskless is the furthest from the truth.

Hizbollah DID get bombed, and civilian/Hizbollah positions are one and the same; unfortunately for the civies. It's not Israel's fault that Hizbollah fights a coward's battle and shoots their missiles from within a civilian zone. Another example of the kind of dishonorable behavior that Israel has to endure. There would be no civilian destruction at all if Hizobollah would fight honorably and not use the innocent Lebanese as a shield...The Lebanese government knew that their outright open support of Hizbollah would come back to bite them, and now it has. I would have finished Hizbollah off for good if I was Israel, as they are just going to have to do it again in a few years.

The reason that Israel has to run PR campaigns is because of people like you skewing the facts against them and making them out to be some monster for protecting their citizens. What should America do if it was attacked by a terrorist organization? If Al Quaeda lights a nuke off in NYC should we not attack the country that harbors them? Should we just let it slide that they killed thousands of our citizens because they aren't officially sanctioned by a country or should we attack fast and hard the countries that we know harbor them, even though many innocent civies will die? It's a conundrum for sure, but it has to be done. Maybe, just maybe, the host country will think twice about letting these people run around with free reign in their country next time??

The rest of your post; all subjective. I say tomato you say tomahto.

[edit on 8/21/2006 by Escrotumus]

Originally posted by Escrotumus
Hizbollah DID get bombed, and civilian and hizbollah positions are one in the same unfortunately for the civies. It's not Israel's fault that Hizbollah fights a coward's battle and shoots their missiles from within a civilian zone. Another example of the kind of dishonorable behavior that Israel has to endure. There would be no civilian destruction at all if Hizobollah would fight honorably and not use the innocent Lebanese as a shield...The Lebanese government knew that their outright open support of Hizbollah would come back to bite them, and now it has. I would have finished Hizbollah off for good if I was Israel, as they are just going to have to do it again in a few years.

You can keep on trying to shape things with your misrepresentations, but the fact remains that 1200 civilians are dead and Hizbollah is burying 55 soldiers, when Israel finally returns the other 20 or so bodies it will prove that Israel is and has been lieing and there will be a number of about 80 dead Hizbolla soldiers. The only Cowards and liars in this whole affair have been the Israelis and the IDF/IAF.

When an Apartheid state such as Israel is armed to the teeth, the oppressed and occupied people will rebel with whatever means possible. The same way it occurred in South Africa you are seeing the same in the ME. The very same people that you claim to be so honorable are in fact oppressors and segregators nothing more then racists. It is hardly honorable.

The reason that Israel has to run PR campaigns is because of people like you skewing the facts against them and making them out to be some monster for protecting their citizens. What should America do if it was attacked by a terrorist organization? If Al Quaeda lights a nuke off in NYC should we not attack the country that harbors them? Should we just let it slide that they killed thousands of our citizens because they aren't officially sanctioned by a country or should we attack fast and hard the countries that we know harbor them, even though many innocent civies will die? It's a conundrum for sure, but it has to be done. Maybe, just maybe, the host country will think twice about letting these people run around with free reign in their country next time??

ahaha OMG is that why they do that kind of thing? Thats a GREAT EXCUSE.
Their population has never been secure and never will be when the government practices kidnapping,murder,assasinations and other assorted attrocities under the guise of "defense". They don't care about their population , they care only for the expansion of their state and the continued oppression of their occupied territorial inhabitants.

The only way we will see a nuke going off in NYC is if we continue to allow people like you to continue vilifying Muslims and arabs for the sake of continuing Israeli domination in the ME. Thankfully more and more people have seen through Israels thin veil of "Democracy" with the recent war. Hopefully once a war crimes tribunal takes place and the Israelis who contributed to this attrocity are shown justice this will prove to these terrorists that we are not as blind as they believe us to be and that we are not a nation of double standards protecting Israel as we have been in the past.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
I'd like to correct you, Hizbolla did not get bombed, Lebanon and its civilians got bombed.

No, Hezbollah got bombed, martially defeated, get used to it…

…likewise, was this not congruent with the warnings as made in overtly in October 2005 by Israel on the first attempt of “kidnapping for swap”?...Mr. History?!

...restraint may still be pulled, careful of your comments. If Israel desired to destroy civilians…the numbers would be in the 100k+ range within one day.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
It was by chance that maybe they had gotten a few Hizbollah soldiers but the majority were civilians and not in the same missions. They knew the differences between Hizbollah positions and civilian positions.

Prove it or shut-up…you can’t so I will anticipate yet another “non-response”.

Furthermore, you insinuate far too much, very little facts if not nil….but wait!...Israel doesn’t really own the Western presses!...omg!...what to do?



mg

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

ahaha OMG is that why they do that kind of thing? Thats a GREAT EXCUSE.
Their population has never been secure and never will be when the government practices kidnapping,murder,assasinations and other assorted attrocities under the guise of "defense". They don't care about their population , they care only for the expansion of their state and the continued oppression of their occupied territorial inhabitants.

The only way we will see a nuke going off in NYC is if we continue to allow people like you to continue vilifying Muslims and arabs for the sake of continuing Israeli domination in the ME. Thankfully more and more people have seen through Israels thin veil of "Democracy" with the recent war. Hopefully once a war crimes tribunal takes place and the Israelis who contributed to this attrocity are shown justice this will prove to these terrorists that we are not as blind as they believe us to be and that we are not a nation of double standards protecting Israel as we have been in the past.

Ohh please, both the PLO and Israel practice murder and mayhem and have been playing this game of oneupsmanship for years. I swear you make it sound like the Palestinians are the new Cherokees marching on the Trail of Tears. Those people would have plenty of opportunities if they would elect a decent government that would represent them and usher them into a new era of peace and prosperity. Instead they elect idiots that continue to pull the tail of the bull. Eventually they get the horns, and then uninformed people like you run around crying genocide or any other colorful noun that they can spout.

Once again you are saying that if we are attacked that we will deserve it, am I hearing this correctly? 100,000 people die in the streets, but hey, it's ok, because pie says we deserved it. Try spouting that illogical rhetoric after we are attacked and I GUARANTEE you that you will be hanging from the nearest pole courtesy of your neighbors. You my 'friend' are as close to a subversive as one can be without actually being one.

[edit on 8/21/2006 by Escrotumus]

Hezbollah started this war, but the destruction of Lebanon has only
served to raise the popularity of Hezbollah in Lebanon, and also in
the entire Arab world.

People who did not even know who or what Hezbollah
was, now wave their flags in every Arab city from Casabalanca to Calcutta.

Instead of destroying Hezbollah, Israeli military action has given
the movement a new life.
This past month has been a resurrection for Hezbollah group.

Nasrallah might now even claim to the missiah.
Arabs are certainly willing to believe him.





[edit on 21-8-2006 by mr conspiracy]

Originally posted by mr conspiracy
Hezbollah started this war, but the destruction of Lebanon has only
served to raise the popularity of Hezbollah in Lebanon, and also in
the entire Arab world.

People who did not even know who or what Hezbollah
was, now wave their flags in every Arab city from Casabalanca to Calcutta.

Instead of destroying Hezbollah, Israeli military action has given
the movement a new life.
This past month has been a resurrection for Hezbollah group.

Nasrallah might now even claim to the missiah.
Arabs are certainly willing to believe him.

Unfortunately yes you are correct. This is because Israel buckled under the pressure and stopped the war. They should have stuck with it and finished cutting off the head of the snake. Now they are in a much worse situation than ever because the extremists are now emboldened. Historians will look back on this one day and see this decision as the beginning of the end for Israel. Hesitation breeds death.

Originally posted by Escrotumus

Those people would have plenty of opportunities if they would elect a decent government that would represent them and usher them into a new era of peace and prosperity. Instead they elect idiots that continue to pull the tail of the bull. Eventually they get the horns, and then uninformed people like you run around crying genocide or any other colorful noun that they can spout.

Once again you are saying that if we are attacked that we will deserve it, am I hearing this correctly? 100,000 people die in the streets, but hey, it's ok, because pie says we deserved it. Try spouting that illogical rhetoric after we are attacked and I GUARANTEE you that you will be hanging from the nearest pole courtesy of your neighbors. You my 'friend' are as close to a subversive as one can be without actually being one.

First of all who are you to say who Palestinian people should or should not vote for? Its not your right or Israels right to dictate who they elect democratically as their representatives that are looking out for THEIR well being, not yours or Israels. If you want democracy , well there it is, and if you don't like who they choose then don't call yourself a freedom loving american. You are far from it if you think you can dictate what other people should do for their own well-being.

Where do you get your subversive garbage from? You are the only subversive here that is trying to dictate how another country should conduct its elections. Not me! People like you are the ones that call for assasinations of political leaders, kidnapping of elected officials and murdering of innocent civilians merely because their politics don't match those of your own, hence why you are such a rabid Pro-Israeli supporter. Their ideals match those of your own. You don't care that people die as long as the intent is to force your views upon those weaker then you. Tough luck bub. America and people of all nations are getting tired of people like you lately..Im sure you feel it and thats why your kind is getting so riled up lately. You are getting desperate now.

Originally posted by Escrotumus

Unfortunately yes you are correct. This is because Israel buckled under the pressure and stopped the war.

yes God forbid they did it because it was the right thing to do instead of killing people needlessly. It was because of the pressure of course. Thats too bad you look at it that way and even more of a shame that its the real reason. God forbid if Americans view them in a bad light they may not be able to get more US funding.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

First of all who are you to say who Palestinian people should or should not vote for? Its not your right or Israels right to dictate who they elect democratically as their representatives that are looking out for THEIR well being, not yours or Israels. If you want democracy , well there it is, and if you don't like who they choose then don't call yourself a freedom loving american. You are far from it if you think you can dictate what other people should do for their own well-being.

Where do you get your subversive garbage from? You are the only subversive here that is trying to dictate how another country should conduct its elections. Not me! People like you are the ones that call for assasinations of political leaders, kidnapping of elected officials and murdering of innocent civilians merely because their politics don't match those of your own, hence why you are such a rabid Pro-Israeli supporter. Their ideals match those of your own. You don't care that people die as long as the intent is to force your views upon those weaker then you. Tough luck bub. America and people of all nations are getting tired of people like you lately..Im sure you feel it and thats why your kind is getting so riled up lately. You are getting desperate now.

Hey I'm just saying that the reason they are bombed and attacked is BECAUSE they elect morons. For every action there is an equal and opposite REaction. I'm not telling them who to choose and frankly could care less. My point is that since they choose to elect terrorists that by definition ...ummm terrorize, then they shouldn't be surprised when they get bombed and attacked. Democracy is a wonderful thing but it has consequences. If they elected people who were concerned about their well being then none of this would happen. I never claimed to manipulate democracy or that I was for installing puppet governments. I simply said that if they had chosen their leaders wisely then they wouldn't be in the pickle they are in right now. Funny how that works huh?

Like it or not Israel is a friend to America and Hezbollah and the PLO are not. Since you seem to be on the side of the terrorists, then I think the word subversive applies in this case. It certainly does not apply to me since I am on the side of our own country and not advocating the support of the enemy that we fight. If you are a palestinian then the word would not apply to you, but I'm assuming that you are a westerner so I think the word applies in this case.

Any response to whether or not you would be running around saying, "We deserved to be hit" if/when the US is attacked again? I'm curious as to what your thoughts would be if 100,000 of your countrymen lay dead in the streets.

Like it or not Israel is a friend to America and Hezbollah and the PLO are not. Since you seem to be on the side of the terrorists, then I think the word subversive applies in this case. It certainly does not apply to me since I am on the side of our own country and not advocating the support of the enemy that we fight.

More demented binary logic.

First of all, Israel is a friend to the US? What have they done for us lately, besides sucking money from our treasury to the tune of $3bn/year? And recruiting new enemies for us? And trying to sucker us into fighting their enemies for them?

Second of all, it's entirely possible to be against US and Israeli policy without being a supporter of Hezbollah. As far as "enemies" go, frankly IMHO my enemies are right here at home - the people who call for constant involvement in other people's wars are doing more harm to this country than the Islamists could ever hope to.

According to the official position of the United States Government, yes, Israel is a friend. You may not agree with that position as is your right, but it is still the position of this government.

The official position of the US goverment could be that water runs uphill.
That wouldn't change the facts however...

Escrotumus I found this just for you. Its 5 pages but its interesting.

The New Pentagon papers, how information was suppressed and is still continued to be supressed to drive the country not only to war but to alienating countries everywhere. I believe it also tells why we just sat back and allowed Israel to casually bomb civilians at their own discretion while our President took a vacation and Condoleeza Rice kept saying it wasn't time for a cease-fire yet.

I am going to skip paragraphs and pages just to highlight

The new Pentagon papers
A high-ranking military officer reveals how Defense Department extremists suppressed information and twisted the truth to drive the country to war.

By Karen Kwiatkowski

March 10, 2004 | In July of last year, after just over 20 years of service, I retired as a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Air Force. I had served as a communications officer in the field and in acquisition programs, as a speechwriter for the National Security Agency director, and on the Headquarters Air Force and the office of the secretary of defense staffs covering African affairs. I had completed Air Command and Staff College and Navy War College seminar programs, two master's degrees, and everything but my Ph.D. dissertation in world politics at Catholic University. I regarded my military vocation as interesting, rewarding and apolitical. My career started in 1978 with the smooth seduction of a full four-year ROTC scholarship. It ended with 10 months of duty in a strange new country, observing up close and personal a process of decision making for war not sanctioned by the Constitution we had all sworn to uphold. Ben Franklin's comment that the Constitutional Convention of 1787 in Philadelphia had delivered "a republic, madam, if you can keep it" would come to have special meaning.

In the spring of 2002, I was a cynical but willing staff officer, almost two years into my three-year tour at the office of the secretary of defense, undersecretary for policy, sub-Saharan Africa. In April, a call for volunteers went out for the Near East South Asia directorate (NESA). None materialized. By May, the call transmogrified into a posthaste demand for any staff officer, and I was "volunteered" to enter what would be a well-appointed den of iniquity.

The education I would receive there was like an M. Night Shyamalan movie -- intense, fascinating and frightening. While the people were very much alive, I saw a dead philosophy -- Cold War anti-communism and neo-imperialism -- walking the corridors of the Pentagon. It wore the clothing of counterterrorism and spoke the language of a holy war between good and evil. The evil was recognized by the leadership to be resident mainly in the Middle East and articulated by Islamic clerics and radicals. But there were other enemies within, anyone who dared voice any skepticism about their grand plans, including Secretary of State Colin Powell and Gen. Anthony Zinni.

Source

I witnessed neoconservative agenda bearers within OSP usurp measured and carefully considered assessments, and through suppression and distortion of intelligence analysis promulgate what were in fact falsehoods to both Congress and the executive office of the president.

At the time, I didn't realize that the expertise on Middle East policy was not only being removed, but was also being exchanged for that from various agenda-bearing think tanks, including the Middle East Media Research Institute [MEMRI], the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs[JINSA]. Interestingly, the office director billet stayed vacant the whole time I was there. That vacancy and the long-term absence of real regional understanding to inform defense policymakers in the Pentagon explains a great deal about the neoconservative approach on the Middle East and the disastrous mistakes made in Washington and in Iraq in the past two years.

I spent time that summer exploring the neoconservative worldview and trying to grasp what was happening inside the Pentagon. I wondered what could explain this rush to war and disregard for real intelligence. Neoconservatives are fairly easy to study, mainly because they are few in number, and they show up at all the same parties. Examining them as individuals, it became clear that almost all have worked together, in and out of government, on national security issues for several decades. The Project for the New American Century and its now famous 1998 manifesto to President Clinton on Iraq is a recent example. But this statement was preceded by one written for Benyamin Netanyahu's Likud Party campaign in Israel in 1996 by neoconservatives Richard Perle, David Wurmser and Douglas Feith titled "A Clean Break: Strategy for Securing the Realm."

David Wurmser is the least known of that trio and an interesting example of the tangled neoconservative web. In 2001, the research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute was assigned to the Pentagon, then moved to the Department of State to work as deputy for the hard-line conservative undersecretary John Bolton, then to the National Security Council, and now is lodged in the office of the vice president. His wife, the prolific Meyrav Wurmser, executive director of the Middle East Media Research Institute, is also a neoconservative team player.


Before the Iraq invasion, many of these same players labored together for literally decades to push a defense strategy that favored military intervention and confrontation with enemies, secret and unconstitutional if need be. Some former officials, such as Richard Perle (an assistant secretary of defense under Reagan) and James Woolsey (CIA director under Clinton), were granted a new lease on life, a renewed gravitas, with positions on President Bush's Defense Policy Board. Others, like Elliott Abrams and Paul Wolfowitz, had apparently overcome previous negative associations from an Iran-Contra conviction for lying to the Congress and for utterly miscalculating the strength of the Soviet Union in a politically driven report to the CIA.

Proving that the truth is indeed the first casualty in war, neoconservative member of the Defense Policy Board Richard Perle called this February for "heads to roll." Perle, agenda setter par excellence, named George Tenet and Defense Intelligence Agency head Vice Adm. Lowell Jacoby as guilty of failing to properly inform the president on Iraq and WMD. No doubt, the intelligence community, susceptible to politicization and outdated paradigms, needs reform. The swiftness of the neoconservative casting of blame on the intelligence community and away from themselves should have been fully expected. Perhaps Perle and others sense the grave and growing danger of political storms unleashed by the exposure of neoconservative lies. Meanwhile, Ahmad Chalabi, extravagantly funded by the neocons in the Pentagon to the tune of millions to provide the disinformation, has boasted with remarkable frankness, "We are heroes in error," and, "What was said before is not important."

Now we are told by our president and neoconservative mouthpieces that our sons and daughters, husbands and wives are in Iraq fighting for freedom, for liberty, for justice and American values. This cost is not borne by the children of Wolfowitz, Perle, Rumsfeld and Cheney. Bush's daughters do not pay this price. We are told that intelligence has failed America, and that President Bush is determined to get to the bottom of it. Yet not a single neoconservative appointee has lost his job, and no high official of principle in the administration has formally resigned because of this ill-planned and ill-conceived war and poorly implemented occupation of Iraq.

Well gee whiz..I wonder why all of a sudden our entire country has turned away from people of Middle Eastern background and Islamic faith. It seems like Israel has basically entrenched itself within our government!...there is even more if you read the entire document.