The Time Has Arrived to Practice Quantum Physics, My Friends...

"Hey mum, I'm going to go on a forum and adversive practicing QUANTUM PHYSICS but not have a clue what it actually means! !"

I think it was Einstein that said the science of the future would look like Majic.

Positive thinkin it is !!!

Hi dgtempe, I've heard of quantum physics, but don't know what it is. Could you recommend any good sites or media that could help explain what it is?

Originally posted by dgtempe
Street Corner,

Its changed my life also. I wouldnt have brought it up if i thought it was quackery.

Too bad some cannot understand it and put it to use. I am still on the ABC's, starting out, but i can tell you it has gotten me more within a month of practicing this than i have had in a lifetime. Still, though, the point to this thread was to think good thoughts, rise to the level of vibrations of the universe and the universe would provide. I dont believe you have to be an EXPERT at wanting something in order for it to manifest right away.

But doom is so much fun. And tonight is doomsday eve...at least where i am.

[edit on 21-8-2006 by dgtempe]

I always wondered about doom and why it's so fun. I guess it's a knowing that the world must reset itself sometimes. It's 2am here now, and I feel like staying up all night. I must admit, I feel a little tension tonight. But if CNN publicised this as a doomsday, then it's hard to get really anxious about it.

I personally think NY is not safe. Most people dont realize that the bullseye is here. They think subway bombings might occur just like in England. I think the next attack will be 10 times worse than 911.

Originally posted by itchy_tartan_blanket
Hi dgtempe, I've heard of quantum physics, but don't know what it is. Could you recommend any good sites or media that could help explain what it is?

www.daviddarling.info...

I reccomend. If you like his site, get his books. I have around 5 of them, and most notably DEEP TIME. If your a spiritual man try out SOUL SEARCH. The book is so enlightening. ...to me at least.

[edit on 8/22/2006 by StreetCorner Philosopher]

august 22 in aussieland went by pretty quick. no hassles

And it will be alright here too. It will be alright everywhere. Keep the faith/QP/good vibes going.....

Of course. Here is a link to one of my favorite and most motivating websites:

www.universeofpower.com... temid,1/&Itemid=64

Its easy to understand, was written for laymen terms and the only thing i cannot do is post where i get my online schooling- because i had to pay for that and cannot be shared.

I hope you seriously check out all the articles, truly motivating.

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
But just what in the heck does thinking positively have to do with quantum physics????
[edit on 8/21/2006 by cmdrkeenkid]

YOu could try the Penrose/Hameroff model of human consciousness.

Orchestrated Objective Reduction

They suggest creativity/emotion/mathemtical truth originate from quantum processes within the brain.

Here is something else from the same website:

www.universeofpower.com...

Urrhm...I came here expecting a pages of formula or discussions on the theories of Plank, Bohr, Heisenberg etc. Or even metaphysical debate on something like Schrodinger's Cat. Instead there is just something about thinking positively

Quantum mechanics is a very specific area of science, with a very specific meaning, and it has nothing to do with positive thinking whatsoever. Here is a simple definition of it:

Quantum mechanics is a physical science dealing with the behaviour of matter and waves on the scale of atoms and subatomic particles. It also forms the basis for the contemporary understanding of how large objects such as stars and galaxies, and cosmological events such as the Big Bang, can be analyzed and explained

and

Quantum mechanics was initially developed to explain the atom, especially the spectra of light emitted by different atomic species. The quantum theory of the atom developed as an explanation for the electron's staying in its orbital, which could not be explained by Newton's laws of motion and by classical electromagnetism.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

You can't just say "positive thinking is another name for quantum physics" because it isn't. That's like "Buddhism is the same thing as Newtonian mechanics". You are making a category error.

Yes, I have seen "What the bleep do we know..?" and found it buttock clenchingly awful. I was actually embrassed for the people who made it.

There is nothing wrong with positive thinking, however it will never change anything in itself. You can lie in bed all day having happy thoughts but the world the world will just keep spinning and bad things will carry on happening to people. The way to alter the world is through postive action.



[edit on 22/8/06 by FatherLukeDuke]

WHO CARES?????? MY QP studies, silly as they may be, indicate that QP will take you to altered states and higher vibrations with the universe- therefore can help you in attaining what you desire.

I'm not Einstein, and this thread is not about the total mechanics. As i've said a million times, this is a simple Quantum Physics practice.

If you want the inner workings and the science of it, if you want to learn, go buy yourself a book in which you can definatedly learn all the scientifics behind it.

Quantum Physics can make you a better person, if you chose it to help you.

Dont bother to look up the links ^ they must be whacky and beneath you.

I am at peace with myself thru my studies, until people keep rehashing and re-pissing me off about QP.

I have made my mind up not to let YOU or anyone else anger me today. today is a good day. Thanks to QP/faith/whatever you wish to call it.
It also can be a lousy day for those who remain so skeptic that the mere thought of something they dont understand themselves, can drive them insane.

Whatever. Peace, love and here's hoping for a great day.

Originally posted by 2manyquestions
This should be an interesting book to read: Quantum Enigma
It just came out, and talks about Quantum Mechanics and Consciousness.

Trying to understand the atom, physicists built quantum mechanics and found, to their embarrassment, that their theory intimately connects consciousness with the physical world. Quantum Enigma explores what that implies and why some founders of the theory became the foremost objectors to it. Schrödinger showed that it “absurdly” allowed a cat to be in a “superposition” simultaneously dead and alive. Einstein derided the theory’s “spooky interactions.” With Bell’s theorem, we now know Schrödinger’s superpositions and Einstein’s spooky interactions indeed exist.

I wonder how much it clarifies, and how many experts agree or disagree with what is within this book.

Well.... based strictly on your quote above AND on having read several papers and a book or two on quantum physics -- the statement there is just bunk.

Quantum mechanics doesn't address consciousness or any connection between it and the real world. And the paragraph shows that the writer doesn't understand the Schrodinger cat or Einstein.

I know there are at least a few who oppose that "documentary" titled "What the bleep do we know?", including the authors of the book I mentioned. Check the links in my last post on page 2 of this thread.

Not so much oppose, but more of a "this is stupid and inaccurate" approach. It's kind of like someone labeling "opera" as "chocolate" and then trying to convince you that chocolate is soothing to your ears and requires a full professional orchestra.

The connection between QM and mental states is something concocted by folks who didn't really understand what's going on in QM.

QM discusses scaling and superclass and particles:
adsabs.harvard.edu...

...discrete particle representation:
scitation.aip.org

Schrodinger operators with magnetic fields:
projecteuclid.org...

Exponential forms of time-displacement operators:
scitation.aip.org

Now.. the "positive thinking" people who equate QM with "think and receive" don't have a clue about superclasses, time dependencies, atomic spectra (important subtopic in QM), quarks, gluons, supercolliders, etc. The folks doing physics QM don't "think positively" at their formulas, ideas, quarks, gluons, gravitons, etc.

Here's some folks doing research in real QM:
prola.aps.org...

You can find enough research to boggle your mind here... and none of it relates to the mystical "think and grow gluons" type fluff.
scholar.google.com



[edit on 22-8-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by glastonaut

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
But just what in the heck does thinking positively have to do with quantum physics????
[edit on 8/21/2006 by cmdrkeenkid]

YOu could try the Penrose/Hameroff model of human consciousness.

Orchestrated Objective Reduction

They suggest creativity/emotion/mathemtical truth originate from quantum processes within the brain.

Pretty much discounted by everyone except Penrose (there's some biological and biochemical problems with the model.) While quantum computing is indeed a growing field, applying it to humans has proved to be a real problem.

This citation summarizes briefly the major problems with Penrose's idea:
leaonline.com

[edit on 22-8-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

Oh most gracious father Luke, thank you for visiting us with your knowledge...

now to bring you up to speed on the thread...

we weren't talking about quantum mechanics,
you would know that if you even read the title... but thanks for ignorantly jumping in anyways...
from YOUR source:

Quantum mechanics is a SUBSET of quantum field theory and quantum physics IN GENERAL, which, along with general relativity, is one of the pillars of modern physics.

we were talking on the much bigger scope of how QP, not the subset of QM
QP proves that "thinking positive does work"
from the QP basis of all things being connected on a level...
and the disposition of the observer of those connections

Now for those that haven't read it, a mod made a guiding statement for THIS PARANORMAL thread...
feel free to read their insightful comments
www.abovetopsecret.com...




[edit on 22-8-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

Originally posted by dgtempe
WHO CARES?????? MY QP studies, silly as they may be, indicate that QP will take you to altered states and higher vibrations with the universe- therefore can help you in attaining what you desire.

You'd do better to ignore the Fad Trends and go back to the basics -- studying the foundations of the "think and change" process. In their hurry to earn money, they overlooked some of the real and proveable techniques that were present in the very first books.

The classic book for this is "The Power of Positive Thinking." It's not full of noise-byte words (like "attributional physics") but is down to earth and a real life-changing read. Its author is Norman Vincent Peale, and you can find it at any bookstore or any library or used bookstore -- it's remained in print continuously since he wrote it... because it's THAT good and it works that well : en.wikipedia.org...

The author genuinely changed many lives with his techniques and the book (easy to read, clear in its instructions) changed the lives of generations.

interesting thread all,

quantum Physics is just a new name and account to replace previous labels to explain the interaction of consciousness with the "reality" (lol thats a paradigm) we observe outside of us.

It truly is nothing about equations or long scientific explanations, though they too do allow us more understanding of the mechanics of the process going on in life and consciousness. In retrospect all of previous scientific explanations have turned out to be wrong and are changed or evolve as more and more data and understanding comes in. The important thing for people who are not hugely and in that respect I mean the top 0.1 % of mathemiticians in the world, intelligent or gifted in this area, is not how and where and when and why it works, the important thing about QM is summed up by shrodingers cat.

THAT CONSCIOUSNESS AFFECTS EXTERNAL MATTER AND EVENTS AND REALITY AS WE PERCIEVE IT. PLEASE FORGIVE ME FATHER LOL.

Now as this has been proved now beyond a doubt by numerous and repeatable experiments to satisfy the left brained society of the modern west, it is not much of a step to understand that therefore,the type and quality and indeed where the focus of such a consciousness interacting with its environment will affect the outcome. In a simple anology if you mix one water and fruit juice you get a differant outcome than water and coffee beans no?

All that this new western understanding and description of nature and reality is doing is catching up with what most religeous and early human philosophy has been saying for a long time, every major religeous founder said the same i.e the jesus "ask and it shall be given" (or rather expect and experiance in your consciousness gives what you focus on) the Buddha "your thoughts follow you like the wheels of a cart" druids in europe as above so below (as in the mind so on the earth) and on and on with all of pre "civilised" (a joke in itself lol) society.

Ultimately its not the equations or the mechanics of it that matters as by observing and measuring whats going on at this level of relaity we as QM states affect the results anyway, so Djtempe is soooooo right or as the buddha said "if you have a arrow stuck in you, is it worth who fired it? who made the arrow? which tree it grew from? why it was fired at you? none of these do you any good, its best just to take the arrow out!"

QM as said has now shown that indeed thoughts create relaity which in a large turn is dependant on perspective, so clear the programming from your minds all, thing new and afresh love brings love and hate brings hate its as certain as all the other laws of physics. also think on this only 5% of the energy and matter in the universe is observable the rest has yet to be found! , well maybe consciousness is it?

The best source for understanding this more and especially for those who have difficulty accepting it due to western educational brainwashing is the documentary "what the bleep do we know" a wonderfull resourse also please google the institute of noetic sciences for some western Prof type guys explaining it all.

the hundreth monkey affect is very important here and therefore tell all your friends how loving and peacefull and wonderfull the world and univers actually is.

This new understanding allows us to break free from the slavery and mind control we have been under for millenia.

Regards and love

Elf

edit - typed this quickly as working too... QM Quantum Whatever whatever the name is irrelevant, as those who have shown in this thread some knowledge in this area ultimately at the most basic fundemantal building blocks of matter and therefore "reality" according to western understanding, that observation or consciousness placed on an event external to that consciousness affects the observation made and the phenomina experianced by that consciousness, so the big question really is this, is it truly outside of us? or are we just looking at reflections of whats happening inside? you decide.

[edit on 22-8-2006 by MischeviousElf]

dgtemp - you should really stop saying you are "practicing" quantum physics. You can no more practice QP than you can any other branch of physics such as fluid dynamics or electromagnetics. The expressions "quantum physics" and "positive thinking" are in no way interchangable, and I have no idea why you think they should be.

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
we were talking on the much bigger scope of how QP, not the subset of QM

OK then. What definition of quantum physics are you working to? Please link to a reputable scientific site that has a definition of QP that involves "positive thinking".

Now for those that haven't read it, a mod made a guiding statement for THIS PARANORMAL thread...

Then decide whether you are talking about the paranormal or quantum physics, as the 2 are in no way related. QP is a science, and science, by definition, does not include paranormal explanations for phenomena.

Father,

hey how about this then?

reputable source

monotheistic are we father lol?

love and sharing elf

[edit on 22-8-2006 by MischeviousElf]

Originally posted by Byrd
This citation summarizes briefly the major problems with Penrose's idea:
leaonline.com

Could you provide an author/title/journal, that page doesn't work.

Cheers,
J.

[edit on 22-8-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]